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Title: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Brian Fein on October 04, 2011, 02:38:49 pm
He is retired.  If you have a link to an interview where he expressed interest in coming out of retirement, please post it here.

Why on earth would he want to leave his cushy CBS studio to take over this crap-fest of a team?

Same goes for Jon Gruden.

Some of you "fans" need to wake up and think logically.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: mecadonzilla on October 04, 2011, 02:40:57 pm
I feel pretty confident that Cowher will never coach again unless the perfect opportunity rises.  But it's fun to look at cool photoshops.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Pappy13 on October 04, 2011, 02:46:56 pm
I disagree on Gruden. I think Gruden would jump at the chance of coming to Miami and trying to turn the franchise around under his terms which would probably mean full control. When Miami played on Monday night, Gruden was going on and on about how he'd love to see Miami become the powerhouse team they used to be in the 70's and early 80's. How it would be good for the league. Now he didn't come out and say that he'd like to be the guy that led them there, that would be bad form to insinuate that Sparano should be gone, but it was obvious that he has an affinity for Miami. He enjoyed his time coaching in Tampa Bay, personally I wouldn't think that Miami would be that much of a stretch. It's pure speculation on my part that he would take the job, but I think it's pure speculation on your part that he doesn't want the job.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: mecadonzilla on October 04, 2011, 02:59:09 pm
I agree with Pappy.  I think Gruden wants to coach again.  Every time I watch MNF I get the feeling he's getty antsy for the NFL again.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Pappy13 on October 04, 2011, 03:08:08 pm
And if Gruden had the chance to get a top QB prospect in his first draft with the Dolphins? Well I think that would practically seal the deal. Did you see Gruden when he went one on one with all the QB prospects in this passed draft? He was giddy as a school girl.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Doc-phin on October 04, 2011, 03:11:36 pm
And if Gruden had the chance to get a top QB prospect in his first draft with the Dolphins? Well I think that would practically seal the deal. Did you see Gruden when he went one on one with all the QB prospects in this passed draft? He was giddy as a school girl.

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Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Doc-phin on October 04, 2011, 03:13:40 pm
I would also take Fisher.  That guy got no support from a personel standpoint.  I don't know anybody that can do more with less.  Give him some finances and let him roll.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Jim Gray on October 04, 2011, 03:28:41 pm
I prefer Fisher over Gruden as a coach.  I don't really know how either is in evaluating talent.  I can't stand Gruden on MNF, so that may be coloring my perception.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: USO-ORLANDO on October 04, 2011, 04:08:29 pm
LMAO  @ crap-fest!!!!!


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: tepop84 on October 04, 2011, 05:12:31 pm
He is retired.  If you have a link to an interview where he expressed interest in coming out of retirement, please post it here.

Why on earth would he want to leave his cushy CBS studio to take over this crap-fest of a team?

Same goes for Jon Gruden.

Some of you "fans" need to wake up and think logically.

LOL.  You might be the least logically thinking person on this entire site.  Want to make a bet on whether Gruden or Cowher coach again?


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: MikeO on October 04, 2011, 05:53:33 pm
Cowher is going to the Giants. BIG market. Super Bowl champion QB already on the roster. He loves NYC after working there for CBS for a few years now. And out of all the teams who will be in the market for a head caoch, NY can offer the most money.

Coughlin might not get fired but he is near 70,....66 or 67 years Old I believe and ready to retire soon. Cowher is waiting for that job. And probably ONLY that job. Maybe not this offseason but next.

The other team to keep an eye on with him is Houston. When there was talk Kubiak was OUT after last season Cowher was linked to them as he liked that job according to sources.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: BigDaddyFin on October 04, 2011, 07:10:10 pm
Cowher I don't think is going to take any other job outside of Carolina.  At least not while his daughters are at NC State.  I'm in the heart of Wolfpack country and you're probably looking at another 2 years at least, if he ever wants to come back and coach at all.

There are times when I think Jon Gruden just by his voice still has the urge to get back into coaching.  I don't know that he will either though.  I'm not thrilled by the list of names out there really and that's assuming Sparano even gets fired at the end of the season in the first place.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: MikeO on October 04, 2011, 08:49:54 pm
1) Carolina has the cheapest owner in the NFL
2) Carolina just hired a head coach last year
3) Carolina was ONLY attractive to Cowher when his wife was alive, she has passed now


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on October 05, 2011, 01:01:29 am
I dont think Bill Cowher will coach the Dolphins if any team at all anytime soon, but Gruden will def coach soon. I've heard him talk about returning to coaching couple of times. He didnt say "if i return" but "once I return" to coaching....and I'd love to see him coaching the Dolphins, he would bring alot of fans to the stadium, he had won a Super Bowl with Tampa, which isn't far from Miami so I think he would enjoy coaching Miami and I hope he does. We need a change, whether its the QB, face of the franchise or new coaching staff. Miami hasn't had stability in years now, its like new QB/coach every other year. WTF?!


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 05, 2011, 03:47:06 am
Brian,

Jimmy Johnson, Bill Parcells, and Joe Gibbs would like to have a word with you.

Retired rarely means retired, until you're just too old to coach.  Neither Cowher nor Gruden remotely qualify under that standard.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: jtex316 on October 05, 2011, 11:27:47 am
Brian is 100% right.

Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Jeff Fisher, or any other coach worth a damn will coach the Dolphins next season. The owner of the Dolphins is a complete joke. Why would any head coach want to come in to that situation? All three guys are already rich...what's the point of putting up with it when another oppty with a better owner and organizational structure will come along eventually?

The Dolphins best shot is a 1st-time coach from college or an assistant looking to coach a team for the first time.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Doc-phin on October 05, 2011, 12:45:31 pm
Why is Ross a joke?  Apparently, trying to hire Harbaugh was the right move.  We didn't fire Sparano first, and perhaps that is were the criticism is coming from but we didn't get Harbaugh so not firing Sparano ended up being the right move.

He seems willing to use his finances.  He wants to improve game experience and take away the shitty Dolphins song (hallelujah).  He wants a more explosive offense.  What's not to like?  What is counter productive?  I kind of like the guy.  He is aggressive and wants to get things moving, he didn't create the current situation.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 05, 2011, 12:51:56 pm
The way he handled Sparano was strictly bush-league, and an embarrassment to the organization; when talking heads are devoting segments to discussing how bad the actions of an owner were, you done f*cked up.  There is no reason why an owner's name should be in the news for negative press he has created, period.  (His declaration of the 2010 Dolphins being Super Bowl-bound and proclamation of Henne as the next Marino also do not help.)

Right now, Ross is perceived as a buffoon.  He's been an owner for, what, 2 years?  And already, he has built a name for himself in the league with all of his shenanigans.  Did you hear Arthur Blank's name in the news (right after Blank bought the Falcons) as often as Ross' name has been?


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Sunstroke on October 05, 2011, 12:54:13 pm

As a 49ers fan who is absolutely thrilled with the new attitude and level of preparedness that SF has shown this season under Harbaugh, I think Miami going after him was as smart a move as a team owner could make. Don't get me wrong...I'm glad Miami didn't get him, but pursuing him was definitely a smart move.



Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: masterfins on October 05, 2011, 01:14:57 pm
Another potential new head coach next year is another Cowboys asst., Rex Ryan's brother.  Wouldn't that be great if we got him!  ;D


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: mecadonzilla on October 05, 2011, 03:21:55 pm
Rob Ryan would be a great fit here.  The players have tuned out their current coaches in Miami, and I don't think it's possible to tune out a member of the Ryan family.   ;D


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: miamid45 on October 05, 2011, 06:28:23 pm
Sure he has a cushy job, along with Gruden @ what 2 or 3 million per year?  Money talks and they would easily double that in a HC position.  Would not be surprised to see either one here, but my gut feeling is leaning towards jeff Fisher coming here in the offseason.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: MikeO on October 05, 2011, 06:56:45 pm
Rob Ryan would be a great fit here.  The players have tuned out their current coaches in Miami, and I don't think it's possible to tune out a member of the Ryan family.   ;D

Rob Ryan won't join the same division as his brother. Hell Jim Harbaugh didn't want to join the same conference as his brother which played a huge role in not taking the Miami job which by reports paid more than the SF job. Rob won't go head to head vs his brother.

Not to mention Rob isn't Rex. Rob isn't ready to be an NFL head coach yet. Everyone saw how he acted after the week 1 Dallas loss to the Jets, thats why nobody will hire Rob anytime soon.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on October 06, 2011, 11:54:28 am
I dont think Bill Cowher will coach the Dolphins if any team at all anytime soon, but Gruden will def coach soon. I've heard him talk about returning to coaching couple of times. He didnt say "if i return" but "once I return" to coaching....and I'd love to see him coaching the Dolphins, he would bring alot of fans to the stadium, he had won a Super Bowl with Tampa, which isn't far from Miami so I think he would enjoy coaching Miami and I hope he does. We need a change, whether its the QB, face of the franchise or new coaching staff. Miami hasn't had stability in years now, its like new QB/coach every other year. WTF?!

Gruden did with Tampa what Larry Coker did with the Miami Hurricanes... won with the previous coaches players!   People talk about Gruden leading Tampa to the Super Bowl... That was Tony Dungy's team and you see what happened with Gruden and Tampa afterwards.    I really hate the credit they give Gruden with Tampa!    He inherited a very talented team from Dungy and Dungy proved his coaching ability by taking the Colts to the Super Bowl.

Gruden did do a nice job with the Raiders though... I'm not a fan of Gruden.   I like his knowledge in working with QB's and offense but I'm not sold on him as a head coach!


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: fyo on October 06, 2011, 12:22:33 pm
^^^ Gruden managed to get his team in the Super Bowl to play his former team -- and win.

That's pretty freakin' impressive, any way you slice it.

As for what happened in Tampa after that, part of that was certainly due to the extreme cost of bringing in Gruden in the first place: 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks!


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Doc-phin on October 06, 2011, 12:35:26 pm
^^^ Gruden managed to get his team in the Super Bowl to play his former team -- and win.

That's pretty freakin' impressive, any way you slice it.

As for what happened in Tampa after that, part of that was certainly due to the extreme cost of bringing in Gruden in the first place: 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks!

If I am correct, no coach has ever won the super bowl with two different teams.  But considering Gruden's age and the fact that he also went to the super bowl with the Raiders, I think he has a little more potential than most coaching transplants.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Pappy13 on October 06, 2011, 12:41:07 pm
Brian is 100% right.

Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden, Jeff Fisher, or any other coach worth a damn will coach the Dolphins next season. The owner of the Dolphins is a complete joke. Why would any head coach want to come in to that situation? All three guys are already rich...what's the point of putting up with it when another oppty with a better owner and organizational structure will come along eventually?
You are seriously underestimating the ego's of these guys. Most of these guys figure they can fix anything no matter how broke or how bad the owner. They all look for challenges and often get antsy when they aren't feeling challenged.

Again, I'll say that I don't know that any of them are willing to come to Miami and it's pure speculation to think they will be Miami's next head coach, but on the other hand to simply rule them out because you don't believe they'll want to work for Ross is pure speculation.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: Diehard_Dolfan on October 06, 2011, 02:39:20 pm
^^^ Gruden managed to get his team in the Super Bowl to play his former team -- and win.

That's pretty freakin' impressive, any way you slice it.

As for what happened in Tampa after that, part of that was certainly due to the extreme cost of bringing in Gruden in the first place: 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks!

There was plenty talent on that team!  Yeah loosing 1st and 2nd round picks hurt but that team was stacked and they went down hill very quickly under Gruden!


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: bsmooth on October 06, 2011, 04:20:58 pm
Gruden did with Tampa what Larry Coker did with the Miami Hurricanes... won with the previous coaches players!   People talk about Gruden leading Tampa to the Super Bowl... That was Tony Dungy's team and you see what happened with Gruden and Tampa afterwards.    I really hate the credit they give Gruden with Tampa!    He inherited a very talented team from Dungy and Dungy proved his coaching ability by taking the Colts to the Super Bowl.

Gruden did do a nice job with the Raiders though... I'm not a fan of Gruden.   I like his knowledge in working with QB's and offense but I'm not sold on him as a head coach!

Sure he made it with Tony's team, but the team he faced was the one he had built. So it is not a stretch to believe that Gruden would have made the SB that year if he had stayed with the Raiders.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: MikeO on October 06, 2011, 05:35:16 pm
That was the GRUDEN BOWL that year. He lived the phrase, he could take his and beat yours or take yours and beat his.

And if not for the "tuck" game people think Gruden might have another ring as the Raiders were a very good team that year.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: fyo on October 06, 2011, 06:00:50 pm
If I am correct, no coach has ever won the super bowl with two different teams.  But considering Gruden's age and the fact that he also went to the super bowl with the Raiders, I think he has a little more potential than most coaching transplants.

This is one of those completely meaningless statistics, IMHO. How many head coaches win a ring in the first place? It takes a lot more than just coaching skill. Then you have to go somewhere else (and how many head coaches with a ring do that?) and repeat?

I don't mean to put words in your mouth, but I've heard people argue often enough that they'd rather have a good coach who HASN'T won a SB than a good coach who HAS, because coaches never repeat. And, IMHO, that's just an insane argument to make.

Would you really rather have Ken Whisenhunt or Lovie Smith than, say, Bill Belichick? Really?

FYI, in the past 20 years, exactly 5 head coaches won a SB and went on to coach a different team (Dick Vermeil, Mike Shannahan, Mike Holmgren, George Seifert, and Jimmy Johnson)*. Holmgren actually managed to get to the SB again with his second team.

Of the past 10 Super Bowls, every single coach is either still with his team or has retired (without going to a new team... yet).

My point with all this is that the numbers are so ridiculously small that the statistics are WORTHLESS.

* Ditka won a ring more than 20 years ago and went on to coach a different team within the past 20 years, so count him as well if you want.


Title: Re: Bill Cowher is not going to coach the Dolphins
Post by: MikeO on October 06, 2011, 06:16:02 pm
i agree. For years we always heard a DOME team would never win a Super Bowl. Well that came to an end.

And honestly Holmgren should have won that Super Bowl in Seattle the refs screwed them that day. So to say someone can't win it with 2 teams is silly.