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Title: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Dave Gray on October 05, 2011, 04:08:07 pm Request: I don't have time to do this, but does anyone have access to our full roster + the general contract cap hit that each guy costs? I'd like to see a full list and then sort from there.
My gut, right now, says this: Goes: Ireland Sparano Brandon Marshall Nolan Carrol Columbo Carpenter Stays: Davone Bess Vontae Davis Jake Long Reggie Bush (he's inexpensive, right) Brandon Fields Daniel Thomas Henne - He is not worth cutting, but you need to bring in another QB to start, or at least compete. This is a league that requires multiple viable starters, in my opinion. ...if the price is right, too. TBD by next GM/Coach: position coaches/assistants -- don't dismantle everyone. Let new team pick and choose. Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: fyo on October 05, 2011, 04:19:31 pm Henne is a free agent.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Dave Gray on October 05, 2011, 04:22:20 pm Henne was supposed to be in my stays pile. I'll edit.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Spider-Dan on October 05, 2011, 04:25:53 pm Henne would be a great backup.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: fyo on October 05, 2011, 04:56:30 pm
(source: roster from nfl.com, salaries from rotoworld.com) EDITED TO NOTE: The numbers above are *salaries*, not cap hits, so any bonus that was paid out and prorated over the life of the contract is not included. A few players have significant incentives (most notably Cameron Wake) or fully guaranteed contracts (most notably Mike Pouncey). Where salaries were not available, a ? was used (and no contract length indicated -- don't assume just 1 year left). Where no precise salary was available, a rough estimate was made from the overall contract and other available information -- indicated by a ~. EDITED AGAIN: Cap hits added in red (with the exception of Pouncey, where the salary is in red to indicate that it is fully guaranteed and thus counts towards the cap if he's cut. Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Tenshot13 on October 05, 2011, 05:39:56 pm Stays:
Vontae Davis Jake Long Karlos Dansby Mike Pouncey Brian Hartline Davone Bess Jared Odrick Randy Starks Kendell Langford Brandon Fields Koa Misi Cameron Wake Daniel Thomas Everyone else is gone unless they are the only option...I know you can only fill so many positions in one offseason. EDIT: Forgot about Daniel Thomas Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Dave Gray on October 05, 2011, 05:47:40 pm Daniel Thomas stays, too. Cheap and promising, so far.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: fyo on October 05, 2011, 06:07:01 pm The table above now shows full cap hits.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: miamid45 on October 05, 2011, 06:24:01 pm If.....St.Louis gets the 1st pick....would we be able to package Marshall and our number 1 ( hopefully 2nd overall) for their 1st pick? (Luck).
I'd say that would be the way we unload Marshall...otherwise I see him staying with the team because no one would probably offer more than a 3rd round pick. Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: fyo on October 05, 2011, 06:26:41 pm Marshall is going to be impossible to unload with his current contract... the way he's playing. Basically, we'll need to cut him or keep him.
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: MikeO on October 05, 2011, 07:00:19 pm Henne is a free agent. They won't resign him and he won't want to come back.
He's done in Miami after this year Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: MikeO on October 05, 2011, 07:02:07 pm If.....St.Louis gets the 1st pick....would we be able to package Marshall and our number 1 ( hopefully 2nd overall) for their 1st pick? (Luck). I'd say that would be the way we unload Marshall...otherwise I see him staying with the team because no one would probably offer more than a 3rd round pick. ha ha, if you want to TRADE for the 1st overall pick in this draft with Andrew Luck. Try giving up pretty much the first 4 rounds of picks this year. And at least a 1st and 2nd next year. And maybe another early pick the year after that. And honestly, that PROBABLY isn't enough. Probably. A team might want a Ricky deal where it takes every pick in this draft a the first couple rounds next year. And even that may not be enough. Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Dave Gray on October 05, 2011, 09:24:30 pm Do we try to re-sign Carey?
Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: tubba marxxx on October 06, 2011, 02:18:19 am Here's who stays
Vontae Davis Karlos Dansby Cameron Wake Jared Odrick Jake Long Mike Pouncey Brandon Marshall Davone Bess Daniel Thomas Brandon Fields (it's bad when your punter is one of your best players) Everyone else can go as far as I'm concerned Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: MikeO on October 06, 2011, 06:48:32 am Do we try to re-sign Carey? No. Old and broken down Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: Landshark on October 06, 2011, 07:42:05 am ha ha, if you want to TRADE for the 1st overall pick in this draft with Andrew Luck. Try giving up pretty much the first 4 rounds of picks this year. And at least a 1st and 2nd next year. And maybe another early pick the year after that. And honestly, that PROBABLY isn't enough. Probably. A team might want a Ricky deal where it takes every pick in this draft a the first couple rounds next year. And even that may not be enough. That's only if the team drafting is hot on Luck. A team like St. Louis would not be because they have their franchise QB of the future, and with his contract, he is unmovable. Title: Re: Jump to the offseason: Who stays, who goes? Post by: fyo on October 06, 2011, 08:03:28 am Looking at the table... wow, do we NOT have a lot of players signed long term.
As for who stays, it seems like a lot of people are discounting the CHEAP and SERVICEABLE guys we have. Sure, too many of them are starters right now, but they are not the ones you cut. Cheap & Serviceable: Chris Clemons ($600k) Vontae Davis ($1M) John Denney ($800k) Brandon Fields ($1.1M) Brian Hartline ($600k) John Jerry ($500k) Reshad Jones ($500k) Koa Misi ($500k) Jared Odrick ($600k) Sean Smith ($500k) Cameron Wake ($600k) Daniel Thomas ($700k) Okay, so several of those guys are more than just serviceable, but whatever you think of someone like Sean Smith, Reshad Jones or John Jerry, you're just not going to find BETTER players at that value. NONE of the above should be cut. Try to bring in someone better, by all means, and demote them to backup, but no way should they be at risk of being cut (I'm assuming that John Jerry doesn't devolve into a fat blob, in which case he would need to go, regardless of the salary). |