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Hear me out.

I think that Cam Cameron got a raw deal.  He was incapable of managing some of the player personalities, when it came to discipline, according to some reports - I'll give you that.

But Cameron also did some things that no other coach did.  He sacrificed for the future.  He traded away players in his one year to help down the road, at the cost of the current season.

So, when we fired him to bring in Parcells and crew, everyone was happy?

But look at us now?

Could we have been in better shape had we held on to Cameron and let him see his plan through?

Ted Ginn appears to be a productive player in SF.

Thoughts?

The second the #9 overall pick in the 2007 NFL draft was announced, Cam Cameron was doomed in Miami.

That's what I hate about our "fans" - they can't let people make a decision that's unpopular.

I think i made a thread on this.  let me try to find it.

had to go. Most players on that team said after he was gone that they had no respect for him. He was in over his head and there was no voice or leadership from up-top.

Combine that with only 1 friggin win, which was a gift cause Brian Billick made a bone-head move in the 4th quarter of that game, and Cam had to go

If that was his first decision, then that was a pretty bad decision. I think the "fans" were right on.

Well, it was a horrible pick.  "Fans" knew the pick was awful from the get go.  Ginn was 2nd or 3rd round talent taken with the #9 selection.  I still bemoan not taking Willis at the time...now Ginn and Willis are together in San Fran.  How badly could that team have used a bad ass stud linebacker.  How badly could we use him today?

Had Ginn produced more than a few exciting returns in Miami, "fans" would have cut both of them some slack.  It was a debacle of a selection and most people knew it at the time.  To me, the pick looked even worse when Cam Cam let us know that we were not only getting Ted Ginn, Jr, but also his family.  Cam Cam let his personal feelings and friendship with the Ginn clan cloud his judgement.

Pretty much any pick except brady quinn there was going to get shit on.

I disagree.  While the team desperately needed a QB, I thought it was pretty obvious Quinn wasn't going to be much of a NFL QB.  I think Miami fans just wanted to see someone worthy of being picked at #9.  Fans can deal with disappointment on draft day as long as the pick turn out to be worthy...which definitely was not the case with Ginn.

You can recover from Ginn.  Ginn isn't even the worst first round pick this team has made in the last 5 years.

The thing that killed Cameron was the Traylor debacle (link (http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/dolphins/7384)).  After that, there was no chance of Cameron keeping the locker room, and he simply had to go.  The players lost all respect for him as a coach; see Joey Porter calling Cameron a "gutless coward" in front of all the assembled players, and Cameron shrugging it off. (http://www.aolnews.com/2008/01/07/dolphins-joey-porter-called-cam-cameron-a-gutless-coward-camer/)

It's not that simple. I actually liked the approach that Cameron took, but there's only 1 problem, he can't coach for shit. If you go back to that year and watch the games, you'll actually see that he made TONS of stupid decisions in games. I remember one particularly awful decision about half way through the year. Here's my rant from when it happened.

"Pop Quiz:

You have the ball with 2:00 left in the game, the game is tied and you need about 5 yards to give your kicker a chance to win the game. It's 2nd down and 8. You have a running back who is averaging over 5 yards a carry for the year and in this game. Your opponent has all his timeouts left. Do you:

a) Run the ball twice and force the opponent to use his timeouts, possibly getting a 1st down and failing that giving your kicker a chance to win the game especially since he's made 11 straight kicks, knowing that even if he misses it there will either be very little time left on the clock or the opponent will have had to use 2 of his 3 timeouts?

b) Pass the ball twice with a backup QB who's completed less than half his passes, stopping the clock for the opponent, punt, down the ball at the 4 yard line and let them drive the length of the field for the winning FG because he has 3 timeouts and close to 2:00 minutes left and your defense is the worst in the NFL?

c) Have your QB spike the ball twice, call timeout and go for it on forth down, fumble the ball and have the opposing team run it back for a score?

d) None of the above?

The answer of course is B, but C has it's merits because it might just get you arrested for impersonating a coach. B will only get you laughed at by the entire rest of the league and that includes Bill Belicheck who can somehow cheat the system, be fined a million dollars, have draft picks taken from his team and STILL looks 10 times a better coach than you'll ever be.

The one bright spot is that Trent Green was carted off the field in a stretcher, looks like a concussion, will probably miss the rest of the season and now they're only 1 injury away from being FORCED into doing the only thing that makes ANY sense at this point and playing the rookie QB. I say FORCED becase the coach above surely isn't going to risk being fired for doing something stupid like putting in a rookie QB after the season is a complete bust. Now THAT would be stupid. Now I know why they got rid of you when you were with the Chargers Mr Cam "Which way are we going?", Cameron.

I've never been so embarrased to be a Dolphins fan in all my life. Never. Thanks guys, it's been a great season so far. Please die!!!"

Not this topic again,  Year after year the same Camoron or Wannadouche or saTan thread pops up.

 LET IT GO  ::) ::) ::) ::)

I would have fired Camoron. After the humiliating 1 win season.

Many of us aw that Nick saTan was not fit to coach at the pro level.

Wannaouche just  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D. 

Watever man........  No matter what happens, MIAMI FRONT OFFICE management is piss poor and is the reason why the fins are the laughing stock of the NFL.

The guy is an offensive genuis that just isn't cut out to be a head coach.  He was a bad talent evaluator, a bad game strategist, and a bad leader of men.  The head coach has to be strong in all three areas in order to be successful in this league. 

He needed to be fired, not for the results of the season, but the fact that he lost the locker room. 

Yes, yes it was. Besides, the fans didn't fire him, Dolphins management did. Or as they say in the retail world; "he fired himself".

This is absolutely the truth.

And, for the record, I'm glad we didn't pick Brady Quinn.

You go 1-15, you lose your job.  Its that simple. 

^ I think that's unfortuante.

I'm not saying that Cameron would've worked out.  I just think that people looked at a really bad team and blamed Cameron for a lot of things over which he had no control.

He did lose the locker room, and if he was unable to crack the whip and put players in their place, his departure was justified.

you nailed all three areas that a HC has to be.  he was NONE of these.

In 2007, there were something like 13 starters on IR.  I don't think ANY team in the NFL would win many games with 13 starters on IR.

Brian, not all of those guys were IR from day 1. And Dave, a few of those guys on that bad team were brought in by Cam.

I'm drawing from memory, so this may be wrong, but I think this is how it was:

Cameron traded away Chris Chambers.  It was a good decision for the team.  However, it was a bad trade for Cameron, personally.  He sacrificed that year for the future.  ...a future he never had the chance to be a part of.

I respect him for that.

CamCam got his last laugh when the Ravens he was the OC for beat his former Fins in the playoffs the next year.

Is the best legacy of CamCam's time in Miami drafting punter Brandon Fields? 

He didn't have a legacy.  That's kinda the point.

Anything he did was discarded/traded away almost immediately.

Although I was not particularly excited about the Ginn pick I was thrilled not to have picked this over hyped nothing of a QB. I absolutely wanted no part of Brady Quinn and still don't.

I think Cam had to go only because he lost the players. I think most coaches need more than 1 season to put their plan in place but he had no control over the locker room and I do not think that was going to change!!!!!

I also didn't want any part of Brady Quinn.  I was confused by the Ginn pick, but just didn't see the talent in Quinn.  It's surprising to hear so many of us say this, after the fact, but I swear, it was true for me, then.

As it was for me I know I posted here about not wanting any part of Quinn and cheered while watching the draft and not hearing his named called for us. I did not even hear who we picked I just knew it wasn't Brady Quinn!!!! I at least had some hope for Ted Ginn and his family once I saw the pick!!!!!

I wanted nothing to do with Quinn and DEFINITELY not Ted Ginn.....the same Ginn that scored on an opening TD return in the NCG against the Gators and then promptly hurts his leg/knee (?) celebrating and sits out the rest of the game.  THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME and you never make it back no the field?!?!?!  wow.  talk about mental toughness.

I wanted Patrick Willis from Ole Miss.  I follow Bama and he was ALL OVER the field in the game they played and fell short by a FG to Bama.  I think he actually played with a cast wrapped up on his right arm in the game.

NOW THAT  was mental toughness.  shit, I wish we had him.

Cam had our ONLY offensive weapon (Ronnie) returning kickoffs. How stupid would it have been if Ronnie got hurt on a kickoff return?! He was our ONLY offensive player that was any good. Cam was risking him on stupid run backs of kicks something Ronnie hadn't done his first 2 years in the league! Cam was dumb!

Chambers sucked at that point anyway. The fact we got a 2nd round pick for him was genius and a steal

I said this when they canned him.

He went 1-15 and didn't seem to know what he was doing sometimes or have control of the team (Joey Porter in Pittsburgh comes to mind) so I can see why he went.  That team was already a disaster from how Saban left it though.

Howsoever, it wasn't his fault that we were signing people's sisters and signing players based on passport eligibility because the team was so racked with injuries.  I didn't like the Trent Green signing.  I figured at the time if you're going to do that you might as well sign Brady Quinn (or just play John Beck) I had a bigger problem with that because the guy was so injury prone than I had with them signing Ted Ginn.  The Ginn signing turned out to mean that we spent a first round pick on a kick returner with bad hands.