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Let's suppose for a second that Indy doesn't win a game all year and has the 1st pick in the draft and that Miami ends up with the #2 pick. There's been some debate on whether or not Indy should draft Andrew Luck or not, but I'd like to go in a slightly different direction. Let's suppose you are the Dolphins and you've talked with Indy and you're convinced that they aren't gonna give up the rights to the 1st pick in the draft, even if you give them your pick at #2.

That can only lead you to one conclusion, that Indy is taking Andrew Luck, because the Dolphins would surely take Luck if they had the #1 pick and so Indy could take whomever they wanted at #2 other than Luck.

So that got me thinking. If Indy is gonna take Luck, what do you do if you're Miami?  Do you take Landry Jones or do you do something that I haven't seen suggested by anyone yet, do you see if Indy would part with Peyton Manning for the #2 pick in the draft?

Think about it for a second. It does make a bit of sense for both teams. If Indy is gonna take Luck, than obviously Peyton isn't in Indy for much longer. Why not get something for him now?  If you had the #2 pick in the draft you could go get some much needed defensive player and you can start Luck next year.  If you are Miami, you get the franchise QB you have been looking for since Marino retired. Granted you get him later in his career than any of us wants, but hey Peyton still has a couple good years in him as long as he's healthy. Maybe you would have to put a stipulation on the trade that Manning has to pass a physical first and agree to a trade with Dolphins or whatever, but assume you can put that stuff in place. Do you think Peyton has enough years left in the tank to build a team around him or do you have to get your franchise QB before his best days are behind him?

Would you do it?

Would you do it if you were Miami?

Would you do it if you were Indy?

can't see that happening unless manning forces a trade.

why trade manning if you can still compete for a super bowl now, at the same time giving luck some time to learn behind him?

for miami, you don't give up a #2 pick for manning now. this team needs too much for manning to immediately make them contenders with the time he has left. they are going to need a young qb with time to grow with the rebuilding job here.

ESPN reported this afternoon that Indy is not interested in Andrew Luck, as long as Peyton Manning is healthy.

If Indy goes 0-16 this year, do you really think that a completely healthy Manning makes you a super bowl contender? Maybe you win 9 or 10 games next year with Manning, but who knows, maybe his best days are behind him and it's time to move on.

Are you sure? How many games would this team have won this year so far with Manning at QB? 2? 3? More? You don't become a SB contender, but at least you give yourself a fighting chance in games and maybe a couple more years to find a replacement.

If I'm at #2, and Indy has taken Luck at #1 already, I draft Landry Jones and I'm happy...

I think anyone giving up a #2 pick for Peyton Manning is ridiculous. Granted he is one of the top in the league, but how much longer will he be?

Isn't that like a head coach saying I AM NOT GOING ANYWHERE two weeks before he flies to his new team.
I know this is florida but I wouldnt give up a second round pick for manning to retire here.He was great but who knows if he comes back from the surgery.Makes me think of Dan in his later years.

+1

What's to say Manning will ever be the same again? I wouldn't give up a second rounder for him until he proves himself healthy.

If Miami trades the #2 overall pick in the draft for an older QB coming off neck surgery, then this franchise is dumber than I even thought.

Take a young of your own and build towards the future. Manning is great, maybe the best ever, but not worth the 2nd overall pick of the draft at his age. Not even close!

And I got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell ya as well. Bill Polian gave an interview last week saying he is very interested. The Colts are already going into "negation" mode if this report is true.

Yup, Jones is a beast.

I was talking to a friend who told me he knows a guy who's sister had the same operation as Manning and she can be walking and her leg goes numb and shes on the ground.It has to do with nerves.I don"t think Manning is coming back.

Since most of you say you wouldn't do it if you're Miami, are you saying you would do it if you were Indy?

If I was Indy and drafted Andrew Luck and #1 and then someone offered me #2 for Manning, provided I could manage the salaries I most certainly would do it. Who in the world would pass up having the top two picks in the same draft, provided they could afford it?

in a hearbeat.

Agreed


You don't pass up the opportunity to be on the clock for the first half hour of the draft

Ok, I'm gonna bring this up again because I honestly believe it's a good question especially with what we saw this passed weekend. Why NOT try to trade for Peyton Manning with Indy?  Especially if we end up winning another game or 2 and drop even further down in the draft? Again assuming that the colts are going to pick Luck, why not try to get Peyton? I think now would be the time to get him.

Sure there's a risk. He might never be the same Peyton Manning, but then again there's also a possible big time reward. Remember when there was no guarantee that Drew Brees was ever going to be the same QB? Have you noticed lately what Drew Brees has done in New Orleans? New Orleans took a chance and it paid off. Sometimes that's what you gotta do, take a chance.

Sure, if I had my choice I'd love to get a QB in the draft that I was sure was going to be a franchise player, but the odds of that happening are starting to get more and more slim. What if we don't get either Luck or Landry? Are you still sure we end up with a QB that can turn the franchise around? Heck are you still even sure that Miami takes a QB? Sure Manning might not be the guy he was prior to the injury, but isn't it worth a shot especially if we don't have the #1 pick and especially if we have say the #3 or #4 pick? Even if Manning is only 90% of what he was prior to the injury isn't that better than about 95% of the QB's in the league? And what if he only plays for 2 or 3 more years, wouldn't that give the new coach 2 or 3 more years to find his replacement in the draft?

I'm not saying it's the perfect scenario, but I'm saying it's a possible scenario and one I'd be willing to pursue if Indy takes Luck. Now if Indy doesn't take Luck, then that changes everything.

Because you want a QB that is going to be able to help you win games for the next 10-15 years, not one who has 3 or 4 years tops left in him and is coming off a major surgery from a critical injury. 

^^Yes that is what you want, but that's easier said than done. At this point I think the odds that Peyton comes back and plays well for a couple years is higher than the odds of finding a franchise QB in the draft if picking 4th or lower.

I'm a programmer and I know that some times you put in a short term fix to give you more time to find a long term solution. It's not ideal, but it's certainly better than waiting a year on the long term fix only to find out it's no better than the fix you could have put in a year earlier.

now that luck is out of the question, this may be the next best approach.

manning isn't going to cost a ton, this team has talent, plus has a very high pick in the draft next year (manning wouldn't cost a first rounder).

draft someone like blackmon, bring in manning, and aggressively play free agency. im not advocating it, but it would be an approach to give you a chance to make a run at it.

It is very difficult if not impossible for Indy to trade Manning. Manning has a roster bonus due March 8th. If they pay him that, then they almost can't trade him cause it kills their cap. To trade him before March 8th is difficult if not impossible.

If Indy is getting rid of Peyton they will CUT him. It's the only way they really can

And yes, Peyton can push off his roster bonus and NOT take it March 8th, but what is in it for him? Why do that? He would rather be a FA and pick his next spot than help a team who will trade him someplace he might not want to go.

But I think its a big waste of time, Indy will find a way to make Manning and Luck work when all is said and done. At least for 1 year if not longer.

Sorry...why is Luck out of the question with 8 games left to still be played? -EK

you are what your record says you are, but...

this dolphins team really isn't 1-7 bad. they have some talent, which just can't be said for the colts. say what you want about sparano, but the team hasn't packed it in. they still play hard for the guy...

i can see the dolphins going 4-4 over the last stretch of the season, starting with a win tomorrow against the skins.

I'll take Matt Barkley over Landry Jones....just sayin.

It would be more accurate to say that the #1 pick is out of the question.

IND is 0-10.  MIA is 2-7.  IND would have to win 3 of their remaining 6 games to wind up anywhere but #1, and MIA would have to lose out.

I would have to disagree with this.....Barkley just does not impress me at all. I do not see him being much in the NFL. I also could be way, way, off base but that is my opinion.

Barkley's drawback is his height

Jones has the best arm out of everyone (including Luck) and can make every throw necessary on the NFL level... but he is a cigar shop wooden indian who can't move to save his life.

So would you rather have a QB with little mobility but has an elite arm or a guy with a good arm but can move a bit in the pocket and outside the pocket if need be. Me, I would take either and just build around whoever ya got.

According to Wikipedia he's 6'2".  Is that incorrect? That's certainly not too short if it's correct. I guess it's better to be 6'4", but I really don't think that makes much difference.

I kinda like Barkley over Jones.

We had one of those already and he was one of the greatest QB's of all time.....so yeah I would take that again!!!!!!

I'd be fine with limited mobility, as long as there's plenty of pocket presence.

^^^ Agree...I don't care if the guy can dance, as long as he has brass in his pockets.

but the game has changed and the level of athletes on defense is far superior than the mid-80's and 90's

can't be stuck in a time capsule. Its 2011, a 1980's type logic (ie Parcells logic) doesn't work!!!

Seems to work just fine for Peyton Manning who has no mobility but an Elite arm!!!!!

once again, an exception NOT the norm. You can't depend on drafting one of the top 2 or 3 QB's in NFL history. It's like trying to build a Ravens/Tampa like defense and win that way.There is an .000481% chance that works.   Instead of doing the logical thing most of you always run to the extreme exception to the norm and point to it. WHY? It's silly! You don't need Randall Cunningham as your QB who can fly around the field. But guys like Rodgers, Big Ben, Brady, Bress...who can move a little in the pocket and make a play on the run or with their legs when need be.

Landry Jones can't move and makes those guys look like Carl Lewis

^^^^^ I see what you are saying and I am not arguing that with you.....my response was simply in response to your original question.


I was just stating that I have no issue with having a QB with an Elite arm and little mobility (your words) as we have had success with just that before and there have been a select few QB's out there who were just that and did fine in the league then and are doing fine in the league now. You confuse me sometimes, its almost like you are arguing with yourself or just arguing for the sake or arguing. Talk about "Silly" (again your words) you just stated this "I would take either and just build around whoever ya got" so when I agree with you and tell you I would as well and I like Landry more the Barkley even with his mobility issues as it has worked out before you tell me I am going with the exception but not the norm. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother to engage you in conversation.  ???

Man, that had to hurt like hell, puliing a 6 digit number that deep out of your ass... I hope you at least sat on a cold pillow (or bag of frozen peas) after you posted that, to try to ease the burn. ;)

To put things back on topic... I'd have no problem with any of those three early first round QBs, though I rate Landry a little better pro prospect than Barkley at this point. If we get a major upgrade at GM and HC this offseason, I'd be willing to trust them on any other QBs they think they may like outside of the first round as well.