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You got Suh mocking Matt Ryan's injury
You got Tulloch mocking Tebow's religion after a sack
You got Schwartz yelling/cursing across the field during games at opposing coaches
You got Schwartz running after Harbaugh trying to start something
You have Lions fans protesting the band Nickleback playing at halftime on Thanksgiving
You got Suh and all of his dirty plays

This team/franchise has gone from the feel good story to the most hated NFL team overnight. A franchise that has had about 6 good weeks in 30 years acting like this is a joke. GB can't beat them by enough on Thanksgiving in my opinion.

Detroit wouldn't even crack my top-10 most hated football teams now... I think that 5 of the 6 points you make there are non-issues, and my favorite team was on the receiving end of two of them. Only the questionable dirty hits by Suh are a real gripe.

Detroit is a hated franchise because fans are protesting a band playing at halftime? That's fucking hilarious... If you dig a bit into that story, you'll see that every blog post/report about this all stems from one source, a guy who writes under the pen name of "The Last Angry Fan." If Jesus brought a troupe of angels down from Heaven to serenade the crowd with golden harps, that dude would scream that he wanted the devil instead.

For me, Detroit still is a feel good story and I would be happy to see them win it all this year.  Like Stroke, I only have a problem with Suh's late hits.  As for the Tebow mocking, I think you are off base if you think this is about making fun of his religion.....it's about making fun of Tebow and all the hype he gets. 

Suh is an ass, but he met with Goodell recently and at least on face value is appearing to change his tactics some. I don't think Tulloch's move was mocking religion, it was mocking Tebow. The two can be exclusive (although it seems no one can discuss Tebow without some mention of his religious zealotry).

The protesting of Nickleback, hell I might join up for that.

I don't see all the hatred for the Lions either but I have to disagree with Jim about the religion thing. People can't make fun of Tebow praying and say it's not about his religion.  They can bow down to him or mockingly wave their hands at him to make fun of his outragous "worshipping" by his fans but to immitate his obvious act of "worship" is a direct attack against his religion and the relationship he has with his God. That directly is his personal act of worship. Why not just pull out a Bible and pretend to pee on it and then say that's not about his religion either? It's about his fans worshipping him?

I get all the resentment for him being so popular for accomplishing absolutely nothing in the NFL but that certainly isn't where all the mocking comes from. Do you not think if he was Muslim or Hindu etc. there would be a huge outrage?

As extreme and ridiculous an example as I've ever seen from you.

By your non-logic, every time I offer up a salute to one of my coworkers, I am mocking the patriotism of every US serviceman, and I may as well pull out an American flag and piss on it.

See, if I try really hard, I can be that ridiculous as well...

^^^^^ I see what you are saying CF (except for the bible analogy), but I still think making that pose over Tebow had nothing to do with mocking his religion.  I'm sure that both players involved are Christians who pray before and after the game.  No player would openly mock Christianity.  It would be foolish and career limiting.  The NFL is about making money.  Alienating the majority of your fan base is not good business.  I guarantee you that the NFL would step in if any player were seen to openly mock any religion.  

When players or teams have a ritual pose they make after making a play, it's not uncommon to have the opposing team use that same pose to make fun of them when they fail to make a play.  Here's a comment from both players involved

From Tebow - "He was just celebrating, having fun with his teammates and I don't take offense to that,"

From Tulloch - "just trying to have some fun" and meant "no disrespect" when he mimicked it following a sack. Tebow, in fact, approached Tulloch after the game and wished him luck this season. 

I don't think he was making fun of his religion, it was just showing a complete lack of CLASS.  All to common in the NFL.

^^This.

Is it a complete lack of class to mimic Aaron Rodgers' "belt" move when a defensive player sacks Rodgers? Is it a complete lack of class when one player mimics another player's touchdown dance?

Or is it just classless when there's a religious theme involved?

I agree that Tebow's mockery is NOT about religion.  That move is what Tebow does, they're mocking that move.  If someone were to mock JT's "heartbreaker" thing, it'd be the same.   ...or the mile-high salute, or the Lambeau leap, or whatever else.

This is hard time in our nation.  The fans in Detroit and those watching at home on Thanksgiving have been through too much to allow Nickleback to play at halftime.   :P

Yes. Just as it's a lack of class when Rodgers does his "belt" move in the first place. I love the insurance commerical that makes fun of this and I give Rodgers props for at least being able to poke fun at himself.

Yes, just as the touchdown dance itself is classless. Just spike the damn ball and quit trying to be different.

No. I'm old school. I long for the days when players didn't try to come up with a "signature" move, they just did something that came natural to them or was accepted, like a touchdown spike. You can't tell me that Rodger's "belt" move just comes naturally to him. But on the other hand I accept the fact that it's what they do in the NFL now and I also accept the fact that the opposing player is gonna try to outdo him. Yes, it's a lack of class. Sorry, that's just me, I'm old and stuck in my ways.

^^^ I know people so old they think the spike is classless. You just haven't gotten to that level of grumpiness yet.

^^ Good to know.  ;D

Well I guess I'm in the same boat.  IMO at some point things became less about a "celebration" or an entertaining moment, to an egotistical "hey look at me".  Nothing annoys me worse than to see a defensive player jumping around after making a tackle when his team is down 20 points and he's been getting beat all day long.

It may not be meant to mock his religion but I'd argue that if you are mocking his "act of worship" then you are directly mocking his religion. Intent really doesn't matter as every good ACLU fighter will tell you.

Again, if Ahmad Brooks had something he did to honor Allah everytime he got a sack and then Jake Long mocked it then it would be perceived as a personal attack against his religion and not him.

If he was mocking poses that Tebow strikes while at church, then I'd buy that whole "act of worship" ploy...but he isn't. Tulloch was mocking Tebow's "act of celebration."

That bothers me to, but in a back and forth battle or in the case of leading the game I don't mind some enthusiasm.

CF,

Should the NFL simply prohibit all players from "giving thanks" on the field?
Should they determine, case-by-case, which ones are sincere and which ones are "obviously" insincere?
Or should there just be a rule that no one else is allowed to use the particular method of prayer that Tebow does?

You are opening an ugly can of worms.

Pretty easy to discern mocking though I couldn't care less what the NFL recognizes. The fact remains he was mocked because of his "worship" or "giving thanks" ... which is an act of worship for the semantic lovers. It's not an act of celebration. I also don't care that Tebow is mocked ... For a reason most wouldn't understand.... All I'm saying is there is a double standard in society against Christians and the public.

exactly

Yes, he was mocked because of the... conspicuousness... of his particular choices of time and place to give thanks.  I find it strange that you seem to think it's somehow explicitly anti-Christian, as if a Buddhist would never drop to one knee to pray or a Muslim would never point at the sky.

If Tebow was a Jew and carried himself in exactly the same fashion, do you think the response would be any different?

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/more_sports/low_blows_on_tebow_effkuiTBivtro7ZPZSVilJ/0

It's not classless to mock someone's religion. It doesn't matter how "intelligent" you are, if you believe in God, Santa, or the Easter Bunny, you're technically retarded. You deserve to be mocked.

Insulting the general population of the world that believe in some sort of religion.  Way to go winner!  Take your opinions on religion to the off topic section buddy. 

Of COURSE it doesn't come natural to him. He stole the move from pro wrestler HHH. ESPN did a piece on it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_OKevFepBw   -EK

Wow. I'm not religious but that's a stupid comment. If only there was a mute button.

How are you technically retarded? I believe in the Easter Bunny, so you may have to explain it to me in a way a techincally retarded person can understand, but I just HAVE to ask about your narrow-minded logic here. -EK

I don't believe that religion deserves any more protection from open mockery than any other unfounded belief, like ghosts or bigfoot.  People are free to believe it, but I think that others are free to ridicule it.

^^However, lets be clear. He wasn't mocking Tebow's religion, he was mocking Tebow. Big difference.

"We must respect the other fellow's religion, but only in the sense and to the extent that we respect his theory that his wife is beautiful and his children smart."  - H. L. Mencken

I disagree.  A society has to have a set of moral values, and respect for one another's opinions.  If you can't show respect for your fellow man then what does that say about you?  Like it or not the United States of America was founded in freedom of all religions, it never mentioned ghosts, bigfoot, or anything like that.  We have allowed special interest groups to dumb down America.  Is it really that offensive to put up a jewish minora (sp?) or a christian Christmas symbol on the front lawn of your local City Hall, or is it more about people not wanting others to celebrate their beliefs??

^ I suppose we'll just have to agree to disagree, then.

Religion is fine, and it's great that people believe what they do.  However, I think it's healthy and necessary for those that don't believe it to challenge it.  It's when we just accept things as they are when things spiral out of control and religion is used to pervert ideas.

Regarding Tebow, I have no problem with his mockery.  By the way, they aren't mocking Christianity -- that's absurd.  I'm guessing the majority of those mocking him are Christians, anyway.  It's how he chooses to display it and wear it on his sleeve.

and the NFL as an institution is free to fine or suspend players over such mocking as well.

Lions started 3 fights yesterday.
Suh ripped Cutler's helmet off his head
Stafford with a dirty tackle/play on Moore
Fairley with a "spear" penalty on Cutler on the 2nd play of the game


Debate over, this team is dirty and the most hated team in the league!

+1

It's all because Jim Schwartz is an asshole

Suh gets tossed in the Green Bay game for stomping on a guy. I guess he really is a dirty player.

i hope goodell suspends that stupid monkey for the rest of the year. what an idiot

He should get fined at least six figures and benched for the rest of the season.  He's been warned and fined several times and still doesn't listen.


Wanna cut the racist remarks?

I would love to see you have the balls to call him a monkey to hs face.

I have been saying it for weeks. The team is dirty, the league has to step in. From their head coach, to their QB, to their entire d-line....the team plays dirty. They are the most unlikable team in the league by a mile.

Suh needs a 4 game suspension after yesterday.

When he ends up in jail in a couple years, no problem.

Got a complaint of racist comments.  Not sure if I see what is racist.  But this thread is going nowhere fast so, I am locking it.