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So I've been rather quiet on the forums lately, mostly due to the fact that I'm not a very negative person and all there is to say about this team is negative things.  They are terrible.  So, to put a positive spin on a negative situation, I'm looking towards next year.  Now, all we hear about is "Suck for Luck" with a side of Landry Jones.  What about the rest of the draft?  I'll get to the other rounds in later posts.  I'll start with round one though to make the Luck people happy.  This is all my opinion and my observations, and if you have anything to add, please share.

1ST ROUND

Andrew Luck - Easily the best player at any position in this years draft.  His skill set reminds of Aaron Rodgers...exactly.  He has great size.  He is very mobile, can make any throw and is already in a pro offense.  He has the power to call any play from the playbook in the huddle...not just 3-4 plays, EVERY PLAY in the playbook!  That's Peyton Manning shit right there.  Don't get me wrong, he isn't perfect...I've seen him overthrow players make bone-headed throws and play it safe instead of trying to go for the big play.  Also, he does have a strong arm, but not a cannon.  Having said that, the guy is nails.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d26zjmAzDgQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d26zjmAzDgQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZlW9g7DCe4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZlW9g7DCe4)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPLNMwv3hHg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPLNMwv3hHg)

Landry Jones - I believe Jones is a better pure passer than Luck.  He puts up monster numbers, has a very strong arm and is very accurate.  he also has great size.  On the other hand he isn't very mobile.  He can play very average at times.  Fortunately, he can "turn it on" and just bust out like crazy.  Luck is more NFL ready, and is a bit more of a cerebral QB, but Jones can be a great QB in the NFL as well...it may just take a little longer.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUlytoa1vzc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUlytoa1vzc)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aM6Nq2gPh8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aM6Nq2gPh8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qac9H0SbZf4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qac9H0SbZf4)

Matt Barkley - Isn't as mobile as Luck and doesn't have a strong an arm as Jones.  Can be flustered.  Can be inaccurate at times.  Checks down a lot, but I don't know if that is gameplan or not.  He does have an above average arm, is pretty accurate most of the time and can put up monster numbers in his own right.  He may elect to stay in college another year.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Dg_kDQfbI (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-Dg_kDQfbI)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxu0etXIhQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWxu0etXIhQ)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57pLS0Kh93s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57pLS0Kh93s)

I really don't care which quarterback they take, as long as they take one.



with that said..I hope everyone realizes that this is automatically going to be the best chance to FINALLY have a successor to Marino.  Please, PLEASE for the love of God, let him go through his learning curves and don't piss and moan after he throws an interception.  Let's get this out of the way now.  I don't want to hear it.

Didn't he say in an interview linked here the other day, that it was 'only' 3-4 plays for each offensive formation and specifically NOT the whole playbook?

Hmm...you may be right.  I heard somewhere he could pick plays from the entire playbook, but didn't research it all the much.  I'll check into it.

EDIT:  This article talks about having the entire playbook open to him during certain situations like no huddle.

http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/1612/luck-downplays-play-calling (http://espn.go.com/blog/stanford-football/post/_/id/1612/luck-downplays-play-calling)

I am sure I am not the only one but I will go on record now as saying I am not sold on Barkley.......I am not sure he will be a decent QB in the NFL and would not be overly excited to have him here.

I agree, that's why I was overly critical of him.  He may be decent, but I don't think he'll ever be an elite QB.

Amen!

BUMP

Robert Griffin III

Pros - Has exceptional speed for the QB position.  Escapes sacks when most QBs would be on the ground.  Has a tremendously accurate deep ball...probably the best in all of college football.  Can make all the throws a NFL QB should.  Has that charismatic "it" factor that is smiled upon as a leader.  Has decent size at 6-2 220 lbs.  Is very intelligent (4.0 GPA and a Master's degree) and has a high football IQ.  Played at a high level against top competition.  Has shown the ability to win from behind and is a clutch football player.  Rarely turns the ball over.

Cons - Sometimes is inaccurate with short and intermediate passes, especially when under pressure.  Can hold onto the ball too long.  Doesn't go through all of his progressions before tucking and running.  Doesn't play in a pro style offense.  Probably won't start right away...may need a year to sit. 

2011 Stats - 3998 yds, 72.4 comp%, 36 TD, 6 INT, 192.3 RAT

VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURPOglz7hQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xURPOglz7hQ) - vs TCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsCUP0ym40s (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TsCUP0ym40s) - vs Rice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEtv2cJS90 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txEtv2cJS90) - vs Oklahoma

He also struggled vs a few really bad teams this year. Now he might win the Heisman Saturday, and god bless him. But as an NFL QB, I'm not sold. He needed overtime to beat a god awful Kansas team.  And vs a so-so Texas team he didn't look good throwing the football.

His big games this year were big, really big,no doubt. But he had a few stinkers in there vs so-so teams. And that conference is good, it ain't great. There isn't a strong defensive unit in the entire Big 12 and he took advantage of that. I know Jones plays in the same conference but Jones has an "elite" NFL arm and can make every throw. I have confidence in him making the leap. Griffin, not so sure.

I said it once, I'll say it again. I don't care which one they take, but if I'm playing GM then I agree with Mike.  Let's hope Jones's "stock" keeps falling

The Dolphins should rank the QB's after the combine and all the workouts, find the one they want. And do what it takes to get THAT guy no matter what. Give up 3 first round picks and more...do it! This franchise hasn't taken a QB in Rd 1 since 1983, no more f'n around. Target a guy, and don't let nothing stop ya.

Now if Indy is taking Luck and no changing their mind. Nothing you can do about that. Fine, go to #2 on your list and go after him just as hard. Don't let anything stop you from getting him. No cost is too much!

No excuses. No more BS. No more settling for QB's. This franchise isn't moving forward till they DRAFT a guy in Rd 1 and make him "the man." So you might as well go all out and get the one you want after damn near 30 years of NOT taking one in Rd 1! No more castoffs or anything like that. Or taking guys in Rd 2 like Henne or White and those silly games.

Amen


I said it earlier in this thread.  Whoever they get, let him take his learning curves.  Let him develop.  Don't call for his head every every INT.  If he's not ready to be the starter Week 1, it's the coaches decision, not ours.  If he comes in Week 3, Week 8, 2013, fine.  I'll keep saying it until it happens, LET THE KID LEARN

I disagree.  What I think they should do is rank the QB's after the combine and all the workouts and take the highest ranked one available when they pick no matter who it is. Don't target a single guy and don't give up draft choices to move up 2 spots to get the guy you want, hope that he slides to you and if not take whichever QB is there when you pick.  There's too many talented QB's in this draft to give up draft choices to take the one you want when the one you don't think is quite as good may end up being better than the one you targeted and the Dolphins need to keep those other picks to surround the QB they do pick with talent.  Moore has shown enough that if need be he can start the year.  We need a franchise QB, no question, but we can't go around giving up draft picks for him. Spend a number one on a QB this year, but don't spend 3 number ones this year getting just one. If the QB you pick this year doesn't crack the starting lineup next year then he's not the answer.  If that happens then spend another number one next year and take another shot at it and keep doing that every year to you find the guy you are looking for. It'll happen sooner or later if you keep trying, hopefully sooner rather than later.

Settling for guys at the QB position is how we have gotten in this mess to begin with. The Dolphins need to find THEIR guy and go get him no matter what. It's been 30 years, no more settling!

Give up as many draft picks as needed to get them. Going in circles like we have been isn't working. Time to try it the OTHER way! The way that works in this league!

Actually what has gotten them into this mess is believing they are smart enough to find THEIR guy in the 2nd or 3rd round.  Pick the best QB available in the 1st round and you won't go wrong because there are several of them worthy of 1st round status this year and you're going to get a good QB regardless, possibly better than the one they think is THEIR guy.

Why is no one mentioning that at one point they DID go out and grab what they felt was the best QB available in Daunte Culpepper, and that didn't work out either. NOTHING is a sure bet. -EK

The trade and free agency route has blown up in their face (AJ Feeley, Fiedler, Culpepper, Griese...etc) Everyone of them was "the guy" they all failed. Taking guys outside of Rd 1,(Beck, White, Henne...etc) they all sucked, taking guys in rounds 2 and 3 hasn't worked. They need to target a guy and go get him in Rd 1. Just because there are 4 or 5 guys who will go in Round 1, to just get one and be happy. That is settling in my book. Get the guy you want. It won't cost 3 or 4 first round picks, anyone who thinks that doesn't know the draft. But if you gotta give up two 1st rounders and a 2nd, do it! We blow those picks anyway on garbage players who can't play most of the time.

Get the guy you want! Don't get one for the sake of getting one because logic says "you have to take a QB". That's how you end up with the Akili Smith's of the world on your hands.

You're right. That offseason was between Culpepper & a guy named Drew Brees. One had a knee problem. One had a shoulder problem. They chose the knee problem guy. Which means, twice they passed up on Brees. Honestly, you never know how players are going to pan out. You just hope you've done enough homework.

Which is a compelling reason not to use draft picks to move up. 

Compare two of your division rivals which have 180 degree approaches.

Jets - Mike Tannenbaum takes the approch of target your guy and then trade up.  He traded up for Sanchez, he traded up for McKnight and others.  He has also drafted some quailty players, but typically drafts much less than 7.

Patriots - Bill Belichick trades down whenever possible on the theory that draft picks are a crap shoot and the more shots you have the better chance some will work out.  He has drafted his share of busts but ussually gets a few decent players.  Typically drafts more than 7.

Still, it depends on the player you plan to draft. New England typically drafts low in the 1st round. So it makes sense for them to target players in later rounds. They're not constantly rebuilding. You have to take in to account the most important position that you need versus the nest available at that position.

Not at all.  It is a fundamental difference of draft philosphy. 

One beleives in quailty over quanity approach and has a large degree of confidence in his ability to assess a players ability to play at the NFL level based on that players college play and combine results. 

The other believes that he lacks the ability to make a solid prediction on a players ability to play at the NFL level and that the best way to get a bullseye is to throw more darts. 

This is completely flawed logic and at best like comparing apples to oranges.  Culpepper was a known risk. Brees was a known risk. Neither were incoming players with great potential. No one knew if either would ever perform again so to even sign them was a risk let alone if they would perform well.

I don't think we'll get a shot at Luck... I like RG3 a lot!   I don't think he comes right in and starts but I do think he'll develop into a good QB.  I don't care for Landry Jones seen enough of him to change what I once thought was a good idea in drafting him.

Barkley i'm not sure... I haven't really seen much of him... he did play in a pro style system though.

Something for all to consider..

RG3 went to school at Baylor

Jeff Ireland graduated from Baylor


Just sayin!