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Moving on the rounds 2 and 3.  We should draft the best available player in a position of need.  That would be SS/FS, TE, OG/RT and CB.  I'm not going to go past round three, only because the choices and round selections get pretty blurred.

2nd ROUND

Dwayne Allen TE Clemson - I've watched film on him, and he seems like a pretty well rounded TE. He can catch and block very well.  Sometimes lacks concentration and runs lazy routes.  Drops passes from time to time.  Isn't slow, but isn't fast either.  Walterfootball.com has us taking him in his latest mock draft.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LpjcojhNdk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LpjcojhNdk)

Chase Minnifield CB Virginia - Decent size at 6-0 185 lbs.  Attacks the ball in jump ball situations.  Has the speed to keep up with deep threat receivers.  Blankets receivers pretty well.  Has shown big hit ability.  Can be washed by larger blockers.  Plays physical which sometimes results in late hits and PI calls.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xjk1Tuy-yQ&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xjk1Tuy-yQ&feature=related)

Barrett Jones OT Alabama - Versatile, played OG last year and transitioned to LT this year.  I see him as a RT in the NFL.  Great size at 6-5 311 lbs.

Kelechi Osemele OT/G Iowa State - Another versatile player who can play OT or G.  Huge guy at 6-5 347 lbs, but is still light on his feet.

Ray Armstrong S Miami -Great size for a safety at 6-4 220 lbs.  A bit of an underachiever, but has the physical tools and huge upside.  Plays lazy at times.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUXLUpjps8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puUXLUpjps8)

T.J. McDonald FS USC - Great size at 6-2 205 lbs.  Ball hawk.  Can deliver the big hit, but is mostly a sure wrap-up tackler.  Seems to always be around the ball.  Has been known to bite on play-action.  Has been beat more than a few times one-on-one in the open field.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIx37YX6C2Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIx37YX6C2Y)

Robert Lester FS Alabama - Plays with great awareness.  Has soft hands and rarely drops an INT chance.  Adjusts to the ball well when in the air.  Not a big hitter, but a solid wrap up tackler.  Can easily get washed by larger blockers.  Seems he plays slow to me on gameday.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PjvhYLMdfrU)

Mark Baron SS Alabama - Sure tackler that has a lot of pop to his hits.  Very aggressive, which sometimes leads to over-pursues, but also is good when jarring the ball loose.  Good size at 6-2 215 lbs.  Usually blankets receivers, but has been know to be beat deep.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCX6Jxmjb8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmCX6Jxmjb8)

Vinny Curry DE/OLB Marshall - Okay size at 6-5 252 lbs., but would benefit from bulking up another 15-20 lbs.  Great hand battling.  Good pass rush moves like swim and rip.  Gets a great jump on the snap.  Excellent outside contain and running up the line when the play is away from him.  If he doesn't get the blocker off balance, he gets overpowered.  Purely a finesse pass rusher.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslDB7OXUpc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sslDB7OXUpc)

3RD ROUND

Coby Fleener TE Stanford - Great size at 6-6 248 lbs.  I've seen a few Stanford games and he seems to be one of Luck's favorite targets.  He is a talented pass catcher who isn't lazy with his routes.  He is also an above average blocker.  I think it would be a good idea to draft him if we get Luck in the 1st, since they are already familiar with each other.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VntqR5-2Ng (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VntqR5-2Ng)

Ryan Miller G Colorado - Plays guard, but will probably transition to RT in the NFL due to his size at 6-8 310 lbs.

Brandon Lindsey DE Pitt - Bull rushing DE that get's excellent penetration.  Plays bigger than his size at 6-2 250 lbs.  Inconsistent on jump at the snap...sometimes great, sometimes late.  Stood up when playing against a stronger OL.  Not much finesse.  If he wants to be a bull rusher on the NFL level, he needs to bulk up another 20 lbs.

Video Highlights
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt0rYekzMHo&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt0rYekzMHo&feature=related)



If it were me, I'd take Luck or Jones in the first round, Chase Minnifield in the second (I know that CB is something we can get by with next year, but Minnifield impressed me the most out of the above selections), and Coby Fleener in the third.  We can then spend the rest of the draft addressing OL, DE/OLB and SS/FS.

After drafting a QB, I'd like to see some help on defense...CB, MLB, pass rushing end.  Hopefully there is a offensive line upgrade available through free agency.

When we take a QB in Rd 1 then we better help the kid out and not throw him to the wolves. Give him some weapons, check that A WEAPON since we have few (I argue none but we have some Marshall lovers here). And give him protection so we don't "david carr-his-ass" into the ground and ruin him.

Defense can wait, its all about the quarterback and putting him in a position to succeed.

I agree to a point.  I believe that we can get an Olineman in the later rounds.  There is an estimated 21 Olineman projected to go in the first 3 rounds.  At least one of them will drop to the 4th round, where I think we should get one.  Conversely, there are only 9 Safeties and 10 OLB/DEs projected in the first three rounds.  CB could probably wait seeing as there are 20 projected in the first three rounds, but you won't get someone with the caliber of Minnifield's talent.

Having said all that, I'd be perfectly happy taking an Olineman in the 2nd and TE Coby Fleener in the third.  We could solidify our Oline and have a dual TE attack like the Patriots have (Clay/Fleener).

We are at least 2 years away from being decent. Screw Defense. It's all about getting the QB and building around him NOW.

Defense can wait. Enough monkey business with this franchise and the QB position. Get a QB, build up the offense around him and everything else will take care of itself in time. Don't ruin this QB by getting cute and taking an OLB or a safety in round 2 or 3 and then go cheap and bring back Incognito or something at LG for a year which ends up getting our franchise QB killed.

If Miami does win the Andrew Luck sweepstakes, I agree with taking Coby Fleener TE from Stamford for that same exact reasons:  A young TE who Luck would be familiar with and comfortable with.


I like Tenshot's point about the number of linemen in this years draft.  It's deep,  All in all, Miami actually picked a good year to be terrible.  Lets just hope (for ONCE) the front office is smart.

Actually next April's draft is considered one of the worst drafts in a long time according to many NFL scouts and such. Even if the "expected" juniors come out it doesn't help it much.

I don't mind your way of thinking.  The biggest hole we have on defense is safety, and no one really impresses me at that position this year.  I wouldn't mind going OL in round two.  My only beef is taking an Olineman when a better player at another position, that we will eventually have to fill, is sitting there.  Are you okay with drafting an Olineman whose maybe above average vs. a player who could be the next LaMarr Woodley or Jarrius Bryd?  It would still be filling a need with a superior prospect, just not the one you want.  Now, if the Olineman is the best player on the board, that's another story.

I also want to add, look at the past few years drafts.  There are few hits and a ton of misses, not only from MIA but everyone.  When you see a special talent, especially in the later rounds, you have to take him, regardless if it's a primary or secondary need.

It's all about the QB!!!! Everything is about the QB. Nothing else matters. Putting our "franchise QB" in the best situation possible. PERIOD! End of story! Nothing else matters!!!

It's a QB league. Everything else is secondary. Take a QB with our first pick. Then build up around him. TE, OL, WR.....I don't care. Just offensive players. We aren't winning the super bowl next year or the year after. Every other hole can wait. We can't take a QB then put crap around him. We will david carr his ass into the ground and it will ruin him.  Through free agency and the draft we better have a solid unit around our next QB.

NOW....If we go out there and sign 2 o-linemen in free agency in March and a tight end and a WR. Yeah fine come rounds 2 and 3, go defense....maybe. I still wouldn't do it but I wouldn't go nuts if they did.  But if we do little in free agency to support our new YOUNG QB, then in the draft it better just be about the offense.

Bottom line, Miami next offseason will need 3 new starters on the o-line to go with Pouncey/Long. They will need a legit NFL tight end. And probably a #1 WR since I think Marshall has played his way out of Miami with his off the field antics, his drops, and comments this year in the press. I doubt a new coach will want that headcase making a tough job tougher for them. And I keep saying it, since week 1.....the defense hasn't played awful. In fact its been good most weeks. The numbers don't lie! The secondary needs work and another pass rusher wouldn't hurt. But this defense hasn't been bad weeks 2-8. It's not perfect, its not great....but it isn't all that bad either. On the list of this teams problems defense is on the lower half of the list.

If I could toss a really early quarter into the Gatorade Wishing Well, Miami's draft would look something like...

1) QB Andrew Luck
2) OG Cordy Glenn
3)  S Markelle Martin
4) DE Andre Branch

TE & WR prospects in the later rounds ...

I'd take this

I agree with this except for Martin in round 3

Judge for yourself.  I would recommend finding additional videos other than this one to make a judgment though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWJPRj3XhnY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWJPRj3XhnY)


I like how he keeps everything in front of him, and he's great in the open field, but he doesn't really have play-making ability.  He plays smart, but passive.  He's not going to get beat for that big play, but he's not going to make a big play either.

I like Andre Branch, but he might be a developmental guy.  He plays with a ton of intenisty, which I love.  He is strong enough to bull rush and agile enough for finesse moves like spins and swims.  He's quick off the snap on passing downs.  On the other hand, on rushing downs he has a wait and see approach.  He sometimes sacrifices outside contain to make plays in the backfield, and that backfires for big gains on the outside.  Also, I doubt he falls to round 4.  He'll be a late 2nd-early 3rd round pick IMO.  He's raw, but has a ton of upside.  Again, judge for yourself....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QIwhzNts8Y (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QIwhzNts8Y)

TE Coby Fleener for me.  I do this every year.  I find a player that I think is great, then get pissed when we don't draft them.

2007 it was Brady Quinn
2008 it was Jake Long
2009 it was Alex Mack
2010 it was Dan Williams
2011 it was Pouncey, but was more excited about Mallet in round 2 and we didn't take him
2012....Luck or Jones or course, then Minnifiled, but especially Fleener.

I smell what your cooking, but again I have to point out how hit and miss draft picks are.  Jerry was a 3rd round pick right?  He's been terrible.  If we get someone who is a superior talent on defense vs. an above average talent on the Oline, I believe we have to go with the better player.  That can also help whatever QB we draft.  A defense that shuts down the opposing offense gives more opportunities to the other offense to score.

I'm not trying to stir up any off topic argument, but in today's game, defense will no longer win championships.  The Giants super bowl win was the last evidence of defense winning championships.  It will help you win some games, yes.  The most glaring hole in the defense in the secondary, and a ball hawking safety will help fix that.  Outside of safety, the offense needs to be the vocal point again in the draft.  QB, S, TE, two OGs, OT, and maybe WR depending on what will happen with Marshall (if anything), should be the vocal point. 

It's hit and miss...OK. That is a cloud over every draft ever held and every draft pick ever made. How does that change anything or Miami's approach?


so we should never take a guy in Rd 3 again? What's your point. Pat White was terrible too he went in Rd 2. Pat Turner in Rd 3 as well. What is the point your trying to make? Give up on these rounds? How about just hire someone better to make the picks.

Let me try this one more time.  After the first round, your more likely to miss on a player.  If you don't believe me look at the past few drafts for any team.  That is why you should take the best player available.  If your just trying to fill a need, you have a higher chance of missing.  If the best player available is an Olineman, great.  If its some other position then you have to take him.  The exception is if you are already stacked at a position.  It would be silly for us to draft another Dlineman.  We don't take an OG/OT because there is one available...we take the best player out of OT, OG, SS, FS, CB, TE, OLB and possibly even WR.  There is a higher chance of hitting that way.

So you are drafting by need if you are making exceptions. By making even 1 exception you are already going against your theory of taking the best player available

Ugh, not this again.  Read my posts.  I say take the best player available that fills a position of need.  I can make all the exceptions I want, it's my standard for drafting a player.  Never once did I say take the best player available no matter what position.  By trying to simplify my argument for you, you've twisted my words.  If you need proof...


...and this...


...and also this.


I would like to get back on topic though....is there a particular player in the later rounds that you want MikeO?  I've pretty much done all the the work for you, just watch some of the videos.  Anyone impress you?

I agree completely with this except for one point.  And I know I'm going to contradict what I said in an earlier post on this thread, but it needs to be pointed out.  Langford, Merling, Olshansky, Soliai, and I think McDaniel will all be free agents this year.  So drafting a D-lineman isn't as silly as it seams.  So add that to the list of best player available theory, which I always agree with.  And lets we honest, Miami can use an upgrade at almost every position. 


(I hope I put enough emphasis on the word "almost" above.  I don't want someone attempting to call me out on positions we DON'T need an upgrade at)

You haven't done one bit of work for me. I don't know what the hell your talking about.

But on any late round picks, I want to see the list of juniors coming out before giving any names. Late April is a long ways away.  6 months away is too far out for any predictions or names.

Okay I'm done with you.  Your not bringing anything to this discussion.  And yes, I have done all the work for you regarding top prospects that might be available...all you have to do is click that little youtube link under each player.  Apparently if you "Don't know what the hell I'm talking about" you're either too lazy to actually read entire posts or you're a fucking idiot.

Guys as cute as your 3rd grade argument is.  You both are killing me with the misuse of the word "your"


Your = showing possession of something

You're = means you are



Example:  You wouldn't say "I don't know what your talking about"  I cringe every time I see this.   It would be "I don't know what you're talking about"


Just bring a little education to your bickering.   Carry on my wayward sons.....

My phone autocorrects into "your" which is what I've been posting on.

You were asking me questions and I was answering them. lol, bringing anything to the discussion. Stop asking me questions then! lol

Have a nice day as well. You ask me questions, I answer and you get upset. WOW!

Gotta love modern technology

ANYWAYS



I think outside of a Free Safety, this should be a mostly offensive focused draft. Mid rounds I wanted to see Safety, TE and O-line addressed more than anything else.  I think we can all agree one that

But I'm not sure a young Safety is what we need. We have too much youth in our secondary. I would rather add a Veteran safety in Free Agency. Bring a leader to the secondary. Someone to run the show back there. Not another kid and more growing pains

Agreed, but the Safety market this year isn't that great.  Outside of LaRon Landry or Michael Griffin (both of whom might be too pricey) there's really no definite upgrades out there.

tubba mentioned maybe addressing WR in the draft, so here are a few...

ROUND 2

Dwight Jones UNC - Soft hands, great speed, runs good routes.  Tall at 6-4.  215 lbs.  Seems to be tackled easily.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA1G_w2kfj0

Ryan Broyles OK- Reminds me of Dexter McCluster.  Mostly a YAC guy.  Small size at 5-11 185 lbs.  Isn't scared to go over the middle.  WR/PR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y0ys5ixyr4k

Juron Criner AZ - Big guy at 6-4 210lbs.  Fast.  Has some YAC ability, but will beat you over the top too.  Lacks concentration from time to time, but is solid most of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFSJK4QXlYA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFSJK4QXlYA)

Mohamed Sanu RUT - I've had the unfortunate pleasure of watching Sanu rape my USF Bulls.  He runs like a gazelle, he blocks like a monster, he can run the wildcat, he can beat you deep and he's a YAC guy.  He plays bigger than his 6-2 215 lbs frame.  He may elect to stay in college another year.  I don't think we need a WR, but I wouldn't be sad if we drafted him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFSJK4QXlYA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFSJK4QXlYA)


Back with more later...gonna watch Landry Jones on TV.

Here's the bottom line as I see it:  Outside of the Reggie Bush trade, I know the Dolphins should have at least 6 draft picks this year.  So what are the 6 most pressing needs for this team?  You answer that question and you draft the best available player at that position at that round.

My opinion.  Those 6 needs are (in no particular order because it's all about the best available player at that time)

Quarterback
2 Offensive Guards (could be reduced to one if getting rid of Sparano means the ragging hard on for Marc Colombo is gone..thus moving Carey back to tackle)
Offensive Tackle
Safety
Tight End

I think we can all agree that the OLINE needs an overhaul, and the Free Safety position has been lacking for a long time. Apparently anyone that comes from the Cowboys front office doesn't acknowledge Free Safety as a real position, but that's another story for another thread.  And obviously..a franchise quarterback.


Round One:  Landry Jones or Andrew Luck.  Not even a discussion

Round Two:

WRs -  Nick Toon, Wisconsin / Ryan Broyles, Oklahoma / Dwight Jones, North Carolina / Kendall Wright, Baylor
TE - Coby Fleener, Stamford
OT - Mike Adams, Ohio State / Zebrie Sanders, Florida State / Levy Adcock, Oklahoma State
OG - Cordy Glenn, Georgia / Kelechi Osemele, Iowa State
S - Markelle Martin, Oklahoma State


Those dudes I listed above all have a round 1 - 2 potential.  Some will be long gone, some will slide, it is what it is. If it were up to me, my 2nd round pick would be based on who I got at quarterback.  I would want to give my guy someone he knows and is comfortable with.  If I got Luck, I'd try and get Coby Fleener.  If I got Jones, I'd try and get Ryan Broyles.

Source:

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/probe.php?genpos=QB&draftyear=2012&sortby=tsxpos&order=ASC

And I just looked at Kiper and McShay's boards and nfldraftcountdown.com....it sounds like Lineman Mike Adams and Cordy Glenn are first round locks.  And apparently Ryan Broyles was hurt today against Texas A&M..not sure how badly

Broyles was acting like he blew out his knee

Nice post tubba!  I'd be happy with almost any of the guys you picked for round 2 with the exception of Broyles (because he blew his knee out today) and Martin only because I think we can get a better player in the second round...safety is pretty weak this year.  Fleener will probably go in the 3rd round, but I wouldn't be upset taking him in the second either, only because he's my guy in this year's draft and I don't want to miss out of him.

Since Broyles blew his knee out, he'd be worth taking a risk in the 5th or 6th round...which is where I see him going now.  I'll take a 2nd round talent in those rounds due to injury all day.

Thanks dude


I'll keep it going lol.  Round 3 (depending on what we do in Round 2):


TE:  Michael Egnew, Missouri / Ladarius Green, Louisiana-Lafayette
WR:  Jermaine Kearse, Washington / Jeff Fuller, Texas A&M / DeVier Posey, Ohio State
OT:  Matt Reynolds, BYU / Nate Potter, Boise State
OG:  Kevin Zeitler, Wisconsin / Senio Kelemete, Washington
S:  Aaron Henry, Wisconsin



Again, these are projected to be the "best available players" in each round.


Tenshot,  If you think Fleener will go in the 3rd round, then I would be stoked with a draft looking like this in the first 3 rounds:

Round 1:  Luck/Jones (I honestly don't care which one, I would prefer Luck, but would "settle" with Jones..either way, huge upgrade)

Round 2: Markelle Martin.  I feel like Miami has had a huge hole at FS since Sammy Knight left.  There are other ways we could go here with more pressing needs.  However, I believe in the taking the best player available, and the safety market (whether it's draft or FA) is thin this year.  I don't want to pass on a 1 - 2 round talent is fills a need.  Again, not a huge need, but still a need.

Round 3:  Open for discussion but I'll take Coby Fleener.  Big Body TE and would instantly develop a comfort level with Luck (assuming it's Luck with draft).  But either way, I think he would help.  If he's gone, I'd go to the best available Guard or Tackle for O-Line help

then again.  After last week, and obviously more consistent play for the rest of the season, maybe Charles Clay can fill a hole at TE.  He's seemed to come into his own the last two weeks.

Hopefully one of those beast LBs (Hightower & Upshaw) at Bama get busted for reefer before their BCS rematch with LSU and drops into the 2nd round for us.

This is from page 1, but IF Ray Armstrong is sitting there in the second or third round, and Miami passes on him, I shall scream at the heavens.

Mark.  My.  Words.  That guy is going to be what Sean Taylor would have been if he hadn't died.  Knucklehead or not, he's going to be a monster safety in the pros.