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Although the subject is worded somewhat sarcastically, it is a sincere question... particularly for those who were not able to watch the game.

I saw some assorted clips (but no score) around the middle of the day and noticed that they were almost entirely of Dolphins making plays and celebrating.  The emotion that I experienced was not joy... more like a creeping sense of dread.  Checking the scoreboard confirmed it.

Of all the teams on MIA's schedule to win against, this is one of the worst.  IND also played against KC, so we don't even get the benefit of lowering MIA's SoS (relative to IND).

Not happy.

I'm always happy to see the Dolphins win.  However, considering what's at stake here, you could call this a Pyrrhic Victory.

I wasn't happy.

I was happy for the players...if nothing else.  They've worked so hard to suck so badly this season, and it must have been nice for them to have put this thing away by the 4th quarter.  It was like watching a kid in the Special Olympics win and feeling happy for them knowing that in the morning they'd still be retarded. >:D

Speaking personally, it was so nice to actually see a dominating performance today, even though midway through the 3rd quarter I was kinda scared KC was going to get things going and end up beating Miami in OT.

Today, I don't care if it endangers the team's chances for Luck.  It was nice to get off the O'fer list.  I feel a weight was lifted if only for a week.

Yes, I was very happy we won today.  I'm going to root for us to win every week.  Me rooting or not rooting for the team is not going to affect our draft slot, so I'm going to root for them to win.  I understand why people want to root for us to lose, but having said that, I think your a bad fan if you do it.

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I don't understand how that makes you a bad fan.  One win today sacrifices a decade of wins.

Really...what's the difference this year between 2-14, 1-15, or 0-16.  ....who cares?  One is really no better than the other.  Each is pathetic.

But if you're the worst, you have a much improved chance of being really special for years to come.  I don't think that you should TRY to lose.  But I don't think I'm a bad fan for being happy when we do.

I'll put up a -1 to make it even again since that doesn't make you a bad fan.

You should root for your team to win every week because YOU hoping for them to lose is not going to affect when they pick in the draft, their play on the field does.  A good fan should root for their team no matter what.  I completely understand that losing out gives us the best chance at a QB since Marino left, but rooting to lose is just pathetic.  It's going to happen whether you wish to win or lose....why not wish to win?  That's what being a fan is about.

I still don't understand your logic.  If the outcome is going to happen however you root, then what's the point of rooting to win, either?  It doesn't matter, but I would like to root for what I want to happen.  ...not what I don't want to happen.

I wish to lose, because it is a long-term positive.  Losing today is good for the team, overall, in my opinion. 

I hope that we lose, because I am hoping to get better.  Winning today stunts that, in my opinion.

I think this is the stopping point of our argument.  I know where you stand, you know where I stand, and I don't think either of us can add much to change the others opinion.

Exactly.  Rooting doesn't make a difference either way, but I fail to see what that has to do with being happy or disappointed at the outcome of a game.

Dolphins fans should be happy for this week and knowing that their team does have the talent to win 1 game.

But honestly - every team in the NFL has the talent to win AT LEAST 1 game a year. But, you can't go 1-15 each season.

This is one of those games where people will forget about the past 7 debacles and think "Hey, you know what, this Matt Moore kid has something here" and then not draft a QB because of this one game performance. It masks deficiencies that are not masked when you lose.

If they go on a few games winning streak here, not only would that hurt their draft position but it would also skew or mask the real problems that the team has - as they say, winning is the best cologne.

No it doesn't. Quit buying into the bullshit hype that the Dolphins absolutely have to lose every game now to be better in five years. You have a theory that one win today sacrifices a decade of wins. There is no fact behind it. Luck could be a bust. Luck could be a decent NFL QB, but Jones could be a star. Luck could be the #1 pick then get a career ending injury (not that I am wishing anything remotely like this at all).

A win today does not sacrifice a decade of wins. There is no evidence to support or contradict it. It is just a made up theory. I'm really disappointed that someone who tends to think as much as you do about most aspects of your life has fallen into this position. Yes a win today does lessen our chances of getting the #1 pick this year. No, it doesn't prevent us from winning for decades.

Adding the truth behind the matter. What will prevent us from winning for decades is ineptitude of the front office.

Gotta love sports fans.  Bitch when the team loses, bitch when the team wins. 

I actually had more non-Dolphins fans laughing at us last night than I had been picked on in a while.  It seems most other teams thought we should should be mailing it in too.

BTW nad it's off topic so I apologize ... There were three tables of fans watching the Broncos game last night at the sports bar I was at. I don't think any of them were atually Broncos fans as there were a more Gator things than even "Tebow" Bronco jerseys.  He certainly has a following.

Back on topic. 

No I am not happy with a useless win. It's actually odd that a loss benfits us more than a win but that is the reality. In fact I think this win will turn into much more.

I thought I would be torn, but as it turns out, I'm not.  It was a good Sunday. I'm pleased that this team hasn't quit.

I want Luck as much as anyone, but I feel we weren't going to get him.  My greatest fear was going winless and still losing Luck to another winless team (Indy).  That would have been so demoralizing for me.  There are some other QB options for Miami. 

Your flaw is that losing today means we get better in the future.

I don't think you can say this with rock-solid certainty.  You're fooling yourself if you think you can.

Losing today gives you a possibility to get better later.  Your additional flaw is that the ONLY way to get better is to lose EVERY game.  There are multiple ways to get better, only one of which includes losing 16 games.

Andrew Luck is not a guarantee, despite what EVERYONE seems to think.  Andrew Luck may be a guarantee on some teams, but not on the Dolphins.  There are so many holes on this team that need to be filled that adding Tom Brady to this team wouldn't make them a contender.

Putting all your eggs in one basket could also cripple the team, should the basket break and fall apart.

Peyton Manning was number one pick in the draft.
Ryan Leaf was the number two pick in the draft.

Missed it by that much. No guarantees but odds do increase. 

Tim Couch, Jamarcus Russell, Jeff George, etc. We can play this who went #1 and who went #2 game all day long. None of it affects the future careers of Luck or Jones.

Keep stirring.  The Dolphins could win the rest of their games this year and that would not hide the fact they need to draft a QB in the first round, whoever is available.

jones has all the qualities of a top notch nfl qb. the gap between him and luck is a lot smaller than the gap between luck and barkley.

unfortunately, with so many teams in need of a qb, you can see luck and jones going #1 and #2.

if you were to mix barkley in with this past years draft, he's probably #5 or so qb. last years qb class was a lot deeper... at this point, barkely might benefit from staying in school one more year.

No it doesn't but the point is the higher the pick, the better the odds. With all the picks that have been taken at QB there are really very few guaranteed elite Qbs like John Elway. None of the ones you mentioned were. Hell Dan Marino wasn't even considered a guarantee.  They all had question marks that Luck does not. Neither did Elway. While not a guantee it certainly increases your odds. Get past Jones in selecting and your odds decrease to the point where you are drafting another Beck and Henne again and hoping you'll find a gem. It happens but odds are tougher. 

It's bittersweet. I was actually happy for the players who must have felt like a great weight was lifted from them. Also I did actually have the stomach to watch several post-game reviews which was a nice change. I do however wonder if Miami just made the first pick in the draft out of reach. If they did, so be it, but I'm not exactly happy about it.

Of course it isn't certain.  I know that Luck isn't a guarantee or anything like that.  It's possible that he sucks or falls down the steps and never plays.  However, it sounds like Luck is one of those guys that is as close as you can get.

He may very well be terrible, but knowing what we know TODAY, he gives you the best chance at long term success (and way more of a chance than the #2 in line).

What I really also like about Luck is that everyone would be behind it.  Any coach would be happy, the GM, the owner, and the fans would all be in line.  In addition to that, you know you your starter is for the next 3 years, period (even if he sucks).  The direction of the franchise is as defined as it can be and it makes it easier to get those wheels in motion.

I think this is a misnomer brought on by the media hype as well as casual fans. Many sources rate the top 2 QBs very close.

I think the worst part about yesterday was that they played so good, it doesn't look like they will only win 1 game.

i was a big jones doubter, mostly because being a longhorn i can't freaking stand ou. sunstroke pointed out a good comparison of barkley vs jones a while ago, and have been watching jones more closely.

he can make all the throws, big time arm, size, accurate... only thing you can pick at with jones is he plays a lot of spread, and has tremendous talent at the skill positions. jones would be a great pick, and can definitely be one of those franchise guys. jones will be gone before the #3 pick.

a lot more question marks around barkley. average size, decent arm strength, and plays in a loaded offense (woods is one of the top wr in the country). he'll probably be considered a reach in the top 10 picks.

I see them beating Washington next week too.  But if you look at the rest of the schedule, I think 2 - 14 is the best Miami will do

I was happy that Miami actually played a full game with some umphh!!  They played a complete game,  no blown leads, few penalties, key players contributed, and of course the "W".  Chuck one  up , better win now than late in the season when it gets tougher.  Its a hell of a lot better than 0- 16 so all of you nay sayers saying you are not happy with the win need  to shut up.  It was a very good win for the Phins and what they are goin through.  Also, those who been watchin, see that the Phins were in pretty close games despite being 0-7 . Blown leads and not finishing,  we could have been 4-4  or better.

Just be glad man  ;D ;D ;D

Yea.... we won.

Exactly.

Yes, I am happy now.  The worst we can do is 1-15.  I would also like to point out that Andrew Luck is not the only QB in the draft, nor is he the only blue chip QB in the draft.

I was at work and when I saw the score, I started kicking things and cursing.

We even suck at sucking.

What scares me is if this team continues to play in this manner, wins about 5 or 6 games, and gets the 7th or 8th pick in the draft, which would not enable them to get any top tier QB.  While turning this season around would feel good, that is where the Pyrrhic Victory lies.

Sadly this made me laugh!

Hell yes I was happy.....I always want to see us win. There has never been any wavering on my part.....I want to win every Sunday no matter what. Yesterdays victory however was great as I know it means we will not go 0-16 and the team really showed some heart out there yesterday. It's nice to see that they players have enough pride not to roll over and die!!!!!

I'm Effin ecstatic.....Having to ride in a car today,and listen to all my Chief friends bitch about losing to the Dolphins.I didn't have to say a word,just smile...No more how bad my Dolphins are comments from the Chief people till we play again.......The worst part is, week from now the Chief fans will have moved on...I have to listen to Dolphin fans bitch about it for the next 5+ years...

The 2011 Indianapolis Colts would like to have a word with you.

It appears that ONE MAN made the difference between a perennial division winner/championship contender and literally the worst team in the league.  Given the incredible impact that Peyton Manning (or the lack thereof) has had on the Colts, it is difficult to then argue that Miami has "too many holes" to be solved by one person.

Right now, IND has a hell of a lot more holes than MIA does.  Add a healthy Manning and they are instantly back to division champions and in contention for a first-round bye.  NE has one of the worst defenses in the league, a nameless platoon at RB, one legitimate slot receiver... and Tom Brady.  And with all of those things, they are still contending to win the AFC.

^^ I dunno...there were a LOT of people picking Indy to go 8-8 and finish a distant second to the Texans this year, even BEFORE Manning went down. Side note- I just heard that Eli now has more wins at this point in his career than Peyton. I didn't see that coming. -EK

Well said! The innept management is going to cost us more wins over the next 10 years than a win against a bad KC team. Going 0-16 doesn't guarantee anything as well. Also there's more than one way to get better. Not every team went 0-16 before they got better.

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The Detroit Lions are the exception..not the rule.

And even the Lions didn't do it overnight. 0-16, then 2-14, 6-10, and now 6-2, although I could see them finishing 9-7 this year. My point is that they didn't go from 0-16 to 11-5 in one season. People forget how long ago that awful season was, methinks. -EK

YESSSSSSS MIAMI LOST ANOTHER GAME!!!!!



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Obviously sarcasm. 

Being a little excessive with the sarcasm, aren't we?

I was drunk and bitter.  Point was made though I think

Yes, I think your point was indeed made. Hah.

Right now it looks like the Colts will have the #1 pick in the NFL Draft, most likley they will go with Andrew Luck if he's available. So where does this leave the Dolphins? Should they still go with a QB, or go somewhere else and sign a veteran QB in the offseason? I think they should go with a QB in the 1st rd. but only if its worth it first rd pick, dont take one just because they wanna prove something. Doesnt even matter what round it is as long as its a good fit, and there's plenty of QBs that were drafted later in the draft and played better than the top 10 picks. So i dunno, but we def need a qb...if they'll look into free agency I just hope they'll truly get the best player out there and not a bench warmer type of a player like they have signed in the past.

LOL. The pre-edited version showed off your drunkeness and bitterness much better.

Thanks lol.  I was censored