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I know everyone wants their franchise quarterback in this year's draft, but looking back at those 3 blown losses to Cleveland, Denver, and the NY Giants, Miami could be right in the thick of things going into this Sunday (against Buffalo):

New England:  6 - 3
NY Jets: 5 - 4
Miami:  5 - 4
Buffalo:  5 - 4

I'm sure I'll piss a few people off by talking about this, because the hipster Dolphin fan wants Miami to lose, but this is worth mentioning I think

I've been mentioning this for weeks in conversations. If what I heard is correct (I have not looked it up myself) those three losses were by 8 total points and involved blown fourth quarter leads. The Dolphins were having a string of bad luck and all the Suck for Luck crap put everyone into a bad state of mind.

The "Suck for Luck" put everyone in a good mood, I think. :)

^^^ You should read my reactions (and I will add Brian to the list as well) to it more closely before you say everyone.

First of all it's a huge stretch to say the game against the Giants was a blown win. They were fortunate to be up in the 4th quarter, but it was pretty obvious that the Giants were gonna win that game.

And even if Miami had won that game and the 2 others they did blow and were 5-4 right now, would that be cause for celebration? I don't think so. It's clear this team is not a playoff caliber team. Far too many holes on both sides of the ball to be considered a playoff caliber team. That win against the Giants would be the only win against a good team and like I said, they were never really in position to win that game. They played really well early in the game and the Giants came out flat and were able to hold onto to the lead for most of the game, but by the end of the game the Giants were clearly in control of the game.

I wouldn't say a "huge" stretch, but I'll give you a stretch at that.  Nobody said Miami was a playoff caliber team, but everyone was fairly optimistic for a 8 - 8 or 9 - 7 season.  However, had Miami played up to their potential, they could be right in the thick of the division race.  I guess my point is (if this makes sense), Miami picked a good season to be horrible (Luck, Jones, Barkley)..but they picked a bad season to be mediocre ( 9 - 7 could win the division this year ).  I know what you're thinking, Miami wouldn't have done a thing in the playoffs..blah blah blah...but this whole "Suck for Luck" thing has ruined the integrity of the game from a fan's perspective.  You, as a fan, should always want your team to win..period

You are 100% right we should be in the thick of it. And the thing everyone is ignoring is the defense since week 1 has played better than average as a unit. That's why Sparano/Ireland need to go. When you go into the season with Henne/Moore at QB what do you expect. They both suck! Season was over before it started.

Miami had opportunities to draft a QB or sign any one of a bunch of free agents even if only for a 1 year stop-gap. They did nothing.

I just don't get this...

This team can't win a super bowl.  They are anywhere close.  These close losses are tricking you into thinking you that they're close.  They're not.  Even if we overperform and get 9 wins, there's no way that this team is anywhere close to making a playoff run.  They'd probably get blown out in the first game. 

I would argue that wins right now hurt the long-term viability of this franchise.  ...and not just for a better draft pick, but because it makes an argument to keep the same pathetic tactics that we've been up to.

We have been picking up and drafting 2nd rate quarterbacks for decades.  I was afraid of winning a few games.  It gets people talking about how good Moore is going to be next year and stuff like that.  ...conversations we shouldn't be having.

The only think Moore is playing for right now is to be this year's Kevin Kolb.

Moore is a marginal QB who is lucky to find an NFL bench. Anyone who thinks he is a quality back-up let alone a starter is fooling himself. Ok, so he beat a dead Redskins team and a KC team that even Tim Tebow went 2/8 passing beat. Doesn't mean Moore is any good, cause he isn't.

At the risk of making another thread turn into a quarterback discussion:  I think Moore can be a serviceable back-up.   Jones/Barkley and then Moore on our depth chart next year wouldn't bother me.  but I digress..



I'm really sick of the "I'm pissed Miami is winning" argument.  It's stupid to me.  We were all pissed that Miami was a mediocre team at best, and now we're pissed we're winning games?  I don't understand.  So every season is Super Bowl or bust? 

I guess "we"  will never be satisfied

"Mediocre" teams don't go 0-7.  This team is pathetic, and winning some meaningless games after you've already eliminated yourself from any real chance at the postseason (by week 7!) doesn't do anything but hurt the team's future.

It's one thing to want a win when you're 4-4 and one game back from the wild card.  This team buried the season at the earliest possible opportunity.  Every win for "pride" just makes it that much more likely that Miami will be mediocre again next year, and the year after that.

You're right, mediocre teams do not start 0 - 7.  Poorly coached, mediocre teams go 0 - 7.  Mediocre teams always have that "surprise" factor.  I understand that the NFC West is garbage, but did anyone expect anything from the 49ers this year?  Perhaps some "noise,"  but not the sirens they're setting off in San Francisco.   



Coaching.   You don't have a coach, you don't have anything. 

The coach is part of the team.  A very important part, I might add.

This team is not mediocre.  It's one of the worst in the league, as evidenced not only by its record, but by the teams it has lost to and the way it has lost.  And winning their way to a 6-10 season doesn't change that; in fact, it only hurts the ability of the team to change that.

The absolute worst case scenario right now would be Miami running the table and making the playoffs as a wild card, followed by the inevitable first-round bouncing and draft pick in the late teens.  We'd end up keeping Sparano, Ireland, and the rest of the jokers in the key positions.  Think about that the next time you celebrate a glorious victory.

Sparano is gone next season, end of story

End of story huh? I had no idea you sign the checks.

If we are doing "what could have beens" why not go back to we could have had Brees, Rodgers, or even Bellichick for that matter. The truth remains we are not a good team coaching, players, front office, or otherwise. We are in the same position as 2007 ... just barely losing with the exception our players didn't quit on the coach this year. Well, as of yet anyways.  We need an overhaul and not just an oil change.

I'm glad to see Miami put a couple wins together.  But I'm keeping it in perspective.  The two wins were against bad teams.  With the Fins being the poor team that they are, I'll take any wins they can get.  But beating a couple other bad teams doesn't make them a force to be reckoned with. 

So, every year there will be 15 or so teams that think they can win the Super Bowl.

The other 17 teams who think they have no chance, will lose every game on purpose in an effort to land a better first round pick so they can try again next year.

Sure, way to ruin the integrity of the game.

^^^^ Parody doesn't allow for that during most seasons. Just like when we selected Ronnie Brown at #2... it really didn't make much of a difference where we drafted. Number 1 and 2 QBs had plenty of questions with even Aaron Rodgers dropping all the way to number 24.  This is an unusual year where it appears there are a couple of top QBS who do not come with as many questions.

I don't think any of us are discussing Moore is a good QB or that this team is anywhere near a Super Bowl. Dave, I really think your desire to lose games (which is a complete surprise and disappointment to me) has clouded your ability to see what it is we are saying.

Me too, I never expected Dave to go to the dark side.

That's your argument?  I don't sign the checks?  It's painfully obvious that Sparano will not be back next season.  However, Ross DOES sign the checks..and with that moron calling the shots, nothing surprises me.




I get what you're saying, but my original argument was that Miami was 3 blown wins away from bring "in the thick of it"  didn't say they were going to make the playoffs..didn't say they were going to "make some noise."  I was going more long the lines of a more traditional Dolphins season.  Hang around mid-season and then fall apart in December.  That's the Dolphins we all know and love.  That was the point I was trying to make.  I'm not talking about the f*cking draft or who's going to be our 2012 quarterback..there's 70934968 other threads devoted that very topic in almost every forum here.  

Couldn't have said it better

I don't know about "love" with the falling apart in December part.  ;D That's probably another reason why people want them to fail so the owner and everyone else realizes they need big changes, and not just stupid incremental changes that gets you no where and keeps you in the falling apart department.

^^  if there was sarcasm font for the word "love"..trust me I would have used it LOL


There's a reason this site is called "The Dolphins Make Me Cry"

Speaking of clouding the ability to see what others are saying...

Why do you (plural) continue to insist that someone is proposing that Miami intentionally throw games?

I mean, I know it makes for a nice talking point and all, but nobody is advocating that.  Have you heard anyone on this board call for Pat Devlin to start, or say that Jake Long should be sitting while we get some experience for our backups?

Hoping for a loss is not a call to throw games, any more than hoping for a win is a call to give the players PEDs and tape the opponents' practices.

Yes.

Is that where the communication gap lies? If so that could explain some things. Brian was a huge Fiedler fan so I just write off his opinion as being ok with mediocrity.   J/K Brian!!  ;)

Look back at the 16 bums that were starting at QB since 2000, and Fiedler is still the best of the sorry bunch.

Holy crap I just realized that it was 2004 when Fiedler was still starting for the Dolphins. I would have thought it was like 10 years ago or more. When you said 2000, I was wondering if that was really his last year in Miami and then saw it was 2004 and 2000 was his first. Amazing. It feels like so much longer ago.

No, no, NO!!  I refuse to let this thread turn into QB play since Marino retired. 


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