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Title: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: jtex316 on November 22, 2011, 04:04:00 pm
The Matt Moore hot-streak won't last forever. The Dolphins should scrape up Orton because when Moore starts to play like his true-self, Orton can come in and be able to at least out-perform JP Losman or whichever other bum the Dolphins have.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Frimp on November 22, 2011, 04:18:10 pm
I agree with this. THe job stays Moore's until he loses it. Just get rid of JP Freaking Losman! lol

Sunday, I was half expecting to see him throw a pick 6 to his old team.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: tubba marxxx on November 22, 2011, 04:46:23 pm
WOW!!  It would be ironic to claim him and get him for next to nothing. 


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Spider-Dan on November 22, 2011, 04:52:59 pm
I would like to claim Orton as a backup.  He's better than Losman.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: fyo on November 22, 2011, 05:00:32 pm
Definitely an improvement over our current backup.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: tubba marxxx on November 22, 2011, 05:05:39 pm
He's going to end up in Chicago..it makes way too much sense for anything else to happen


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Frimp on November 22, 2011, 05:06:23 pm
^^^

Didnt I read that Cutler got hurt and was gone for the year?


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: tubba marxxx on November 22, 2011, 05:10:46 pm
^^^

Didnt I read that Cutler got hurt and was gone for the year?

Which is why I say it makes sense for Chicago to claim Orton


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Brian Fein on November 22, 2011, 05:14:15 pm
Chicago, KC, Houston are all looking for QB's.

That said, I wonder what all the buffoons chanting his name in preseason are.  The guy got cut.

Straight up cut.  Not good enough.  Bye.

What a joke.  I'm glad we didn't trade for that bum.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MikeO on November 22, 2011, 05:15:24 pm
whats the point? He is a free agent at the end of the year and its not like Miami is going to the playoffs this year. Our season is over. Makes no sense to sign him.



Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Brian Fein on November 22, 2011, 05:16:04 pm
whats the point? He is a free agent at the end of the year


He is a free agent NOW.  He got CUT.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: tubba marxxx on November 22, 2011, 05:19:24 pm
He is a free agent NOW.  He got CUT.

He got waived..if nobody clams him, then yes, he's a free agent

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7270010/denver-broncos-waive-former-qb-starter-kyle-orton


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MikeO on November 22, 2011, 05:21:24 pm
He is a free agent NOW.  He got CUT.

he was waived, NOT a free agent! And you want a team to give him a long-term deal with 5 games left in the season? WHO DOES THAT!! If you claim him you are signing him for the remainder of this year not giving him a long-term big money deal.

Orton is not going to want a long-term deal anyway, he will want to hopefully get picked up by a team where he can play now or if not then  sign a deal for the rest of the year  where he can play (houston or chicago). Hopefully play well and prove he is worth more $$$ IN THE OFFSEASON!!!! 

Any team that signs Orton long-term now is dumb. Orton signing a long-term deal now with no leverage is dumb. It's not gonna happen!


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: fyo on November 22, 2011, 05:53:13 pm
It's all over the news that Orton is on the waiver wire... but is he?

The rule is 4 years of credited service. Or at least it was under the old CBA.

Orton has that and more, so under the old CBA, he'd be a free agent.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on November 22, 2011, 06:12:37 pm
I wouldn't mind seeing him come in here as protection in case Moore gets hurt because like others have said Losman is fucking terrible. However I think Chicago is in worse shape as far as the QB situation goes with Cutler down and Haynie as their current QB. Lineart is absolute trash as well but for some reason I can not explain Houston seems to think they can still win with this clown at QB so I am not sure they pick him up. However doesn't the waiver wire work based upon team records? If Miami puts in a claim, based on that then he doesn't end up in Chicago or Houston.

I do feel he will be in Chicago however!!!!!


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MikeO on November 22, 2011, 06:24:50 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/22/report-bears-will-claim-orton/


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: miamid45 on November 23, 2011, 01:30:01 pm
Orton asked to be waived and was granted his wish by an inexperienced president by the name of Elway.  I hope this move comes back to bite them, as Mr.Tebow is one hit away from landing on injured reserve and with his style, that hit will come sooner than later..(see Mr. Vick!)....

....really don't get this move????...the Broncos are legitimately in the hunt for their division and still have games left against Chicago and KC, whom Orton will surely play for one of these teams this season.

Tebow may be winning, but his accuracy is HORRENDOUS and will eventually lead to his demise in this league.  Orton, however, can be a serviceable starter and excellent backup....only time will tell?


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on November 23, 2011, 01:37:20 pm
He is better than Losman.  Benching Moore for him would be foolish. 


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: fyo on November 23, 2011, 05:16:59 pm
Orton was claimed by the Chiefs.

FYI, the reason Orton was NOT a free agent was because the transfer deadline had passed. Players waived AFTER the deadline are placed on waivers, regardless of their seniority. Before the deadline, 4 years of service will get you instant free agency when waived.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82466436/article/chiefs-add-orton-to-quarterback-mix-with-cassel-out-for-season


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Landshark on November 23, 2011, 05:22:43 pm
Orton was claimed by the Chiefs.

FYI, the reason Orton was NOT a free agent was because the transfer deadline had passed. Players waived AFTER the deadline are placed on waivers, regardless of their seniority. Before the deadline, 4 years of service will get you instant free agency when waived.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82466436/article/chiefs-add-orton-to-quarterback-mix-with-cassel-out-for-season

Not surprised.  Tyler Palko looked GOD AWFUL against a shoddy New England defense. 


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on November 23, 2011, 06:00:16 pm
Orton was claimed by the Chiefs.

FYI, the reason Orton was NOT a free agent was because the transfer deadline had passed. Players waived AFTER the deadline are placed on waivers, regardless of their seniority. Before the deadline, 4 years of service will get you instant free agency when waived.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82466436/article/chiefs-add-orton-to-quarterback-mix-with-cassel-out-for-season

I am sure this has the Bears reeling at the moment. Palko sucked for the Chiefs so I kind of understand the move but I do not think they are serious contenders for a playoff spot as they have too many injuries so that makes me question it a little bit. Either way I think this hurts the Bears more than anything.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Landshark on November 23, 2011, 06:13:40 pm
I am sure this has the Bears reeling at the moment. Palko sucked for the Chiefs so I kind of understand the move but I do not think they are serious contenders for a playoff spot as they have too many injuries so that makes me question it a little bit. Either way I think this hurts the Bears more than anything.


Could be that the Bears and Chiefs both put in claims for him and the Chiefs got him because their record is worse.  Matter of fact, I'd bet my boat that is what happened.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on November 23, 2011, 06:25:41 pm
I am sure that is what happened as well.....still I think this really hurts the Bears more than it will help the Chiefs.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: Landshark on November 23, 2011, 06:33:29 pm
I am sure that is what happened as well.....still I think this really hurts the Bears more than it will help the Chiefs.

Now that I can agree with.  Although if that kid who took over for Cutler in last year's NFC Title game can duplicate what he did, they won't need Orton.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MikeO on November 23, 2011, 06:47:52 pm
Every team should have put in a claim on Orton honestly. Play him or let him ride the pine. He walks at seasons end and you would pick up a COMP pick in the draft.

It's like picking up an extra draft pick for doing nothing. Even if it ends up being a 6th or 7th rounder, who cares. It would have been worth it.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: tubba marxxx on November 23, 2011, 07:25:29 pm
Every team should have put in a claim on Orton honestly. Play him or let him ride the pine. He walks at seasons end and you would pick up a COMP pick in the draft.

It's like picking up an extra draft pick for doing nothing. Even if it ends up being a 6th or 7th rounder, who cares. It would have been worth it.

Good point


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: fyo on November 23, 2011, 07:28:05 pm
It's like picking up an extra draft pick for doing nothing. Even if it ends up being a 6th or 7th rounder, who cares. It would have been worth it.

For $2.4 million? Really?


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: MikeO on November 23, 2011, 07:30:32 pm
For $2.4 million? Really?

For an NFL team that is nothing.


Title: Re: Kyle Orton Waived
Post by: fyo on November 23, 2011, 07:40:01 pm
For an NFL team that is nothing.

7 round picks aren't exactly worth much, either.

It also seems far from certain that a team would actually get an extra pick out of it. Teams only get a pick if they have a net loss. Not all teams would be in the "net loss" column, even with the loss of Orton. Those teams would get nothing out of it. Then there are the teams at the other extreme, who are likely to max out at 4 comp picks. Then there's the issue of "filler" picks awarded to get the total number of comp picks to 32. Last draft, 11 teams were awarded a "filler" pick, based on their position in the draft, not their compensatory pick status. If the next draft is similar and Orton projects to a 7th round comp pick, the top 11 teams in the draft would gain nothing.