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Hypothesis: QB's from USC are garbage.

For whatever reason, QB's from Southern Cal are lazy bums who never can "get it done" in the NFL. Case in point, Carson Palmer (USC) completely choked and sucked for the Raiders in their chance to make the playoffs, and Mark Sanchez (USC) has done the same.

Going back to 1979, here is a list of starting QB's from USC, and you tell me what you think of this collection:

(List sorted in ascending order starting in 1979)

Paul McDonald - Played for Cleveland and for Dallas. NFL QB Rating: 65.7 (24 TD, 37 INT)
Gordon Adams - Never played in the NFL
John Mazur - Never played in the NFL
Sean Salisbury - Played for SEA, IND, MIN, HOU, SD. NFL QB Rating: 72.9 (19 TD, 19 INT)
Scott Tinsley - Played for the LA Rams, PHI as a replacement player. NFL QB Rating: 71.7 (3 TD, 4 INT)
Kevin McLean - Never played in the NFL
Tim Green - Never played in the NFL
Rodney Peete - Played for DET, DAL, PHI, WAS, OAK, CAR. NFL QB Rating: 73.3 (76 TD, 92 INT)
Todd Marinovich - Played for Los Angeles Raiders. NFL QB Rating: 66.4 (8 TD, 9 INT)
Shane Foley - Never played in the NFL
Reggie Perry - Never played in the NFL
Rob Johnson - Played for JAX, BUF, TB, WAS, OAK, and NYG. NFL QB Rating: 83.6 (30 TD, 23 INT)
Brad Otton - Never played in the NFL
Kyle Wachholtz - Played for Green Bay but was converted to Tight End
Mike Van Raaphorst - Never played in the NFL
John Fox - Never played in the NFL
Carson Palmer - Played for Cincinnati and Oakland. NFL QB Rating: 86.3 (167 TD, 117 INT)
Matt Leinart - Played for Arizona and Houston. NFL QB Rating: 71.6 (15 TD, 20 INT)
John David Booty - Played for MIN, TEN, and HOU. Has never thrown an NFL pass.
Mark Sanchez - Played for the New York Jets. NFL QB Rating: 73.4 (53 TD, 48 INT)

Out of that list, here are the top 5 QBs (sorted by QB Rating)

1. Carson Palmer - 86.3
2. Rob Johnson - 83.6
3. Mark Sanchez - 73.4
4. Rodney Peete - 73.3
5. Sean Salisbury - 72.9

To give some additional context to those numbers, Carson Palmer is 19th in the league and Mark Sanchez is 23rd in the league in QB Rating for the 2011 season.

As far as the post-season goes, don't even ask (seriously). Only Carson Palmer (0-1) and Mark Sanchez (4-2) have made it to the post-season.

Putting statistics and ratings aside for a moment and using common-football-sense, how sad is it that the likes of Mark Sanchez and Carson Palmer - who we all know are bums or at best they are "very average" - are all-time leaders segmented by QB's from USC?

The next guy coming out from USC is Matt Barkley (who apparently won't be coming out in 2012 but probably will in 2013). Will he suck just like the entire rest of this list or will he be able to buck this pretty obvious trend of sucktitude?

I think you could run through several schools and come to the same conclusions.

Any reason why you felt it was necessary to exclude back up QB from USC that play in the NFL?

^^Because it wouldn't support his hypothesis? :)

Sorry!

-EK

It is 100% my hypothesis. I did all of the work. Fuck you if you don't think I spent 30 minutes hammering this out.

Such as?

F me when you resurrect an idea that is two years old and that I linked 2 out of a dozen or more articles on? You spent a half hour doing this and I Googled it in 15 seconds? Yeah, OK, F me. FAIL. -EK

Who cares how many articles there are out there on it?

Do you want me to Google each opinion that you have and find out how many like-minded individuals there are out there?

Look - in all seriousness - you can hate me, follow me on each thread just to bust my balls, want to kick my ass if you ran into me in person...that's all fine by me. I do have a sore spot for implications of plagiarism and un-originality (Tommy are you paying attention to this one?). Because, it's 100% false. I thought of this (in my own head, without searching for like-minded articles on Yahoo or Fox Sports or whatever) and I pulled in all of the stats and constructed the thread.

I don't give a shit about your opinion, but I do give a shit about false accusations. So I'm asking right now that you stop that shit, please. I'd rather you call me a mother fucking asshole than to imply (even in the slightest degree) that I plagiarize topics or content. Got it?

You- of all people- who continuously start threads like "Miami Will go 0-16," and spend your whole existance here busting people's balls over the internet are now going to get your panties in a wad over the fact that your original idea came across as anything but? Are you freaking kidding me?

Fine, will this make you feel better?

"JTex's thread on how bad USC QB's translate into pro careers was not plagiarized, and any similarity to numerous articles written and published about the topic in the past is purely coincidental. I completely and totally recall my previous accusation and apologize to him, the readers of this forum, and anyone I may have offended by my thoughtless and hurtful words."

-EK

Don't you mean Landshark?

The quick answer is they have a history of making QBs look better in college than in the NFL. This is exactly why I have a hard time of buying into Matt Barkley.

Who cares if he lifted the topic from elsewhere, anyway?  We are capable of having our own converstaions on topics that have been discussed before on other website.  This is not the Anti-Fins section.  Jtex posted a legitimate post in the correct forum.   Treat it as such or move on.

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I think that Carson Palmer is legit and a successful player.  He has had ups and downs, but there was a time that he was considered among the league's best QBs.  But the others, sure -- mostly disappointments.  And yes, while you could take other schools and find similar results, you will be hard pressed to find other schools that have a reputation for sending so many high-level prospects at QB to the NFL.

I think that the jury is still out on Sanchez.  He's not playing very well, but he's still had enough success to stay in the league, starting on the same team.  Perhaps he'll figure it out.

Otherwise, namely with Leinart and Marinovich -- two huge prospects supposed to be great, and never got it together.

I treated it as a legitimate post, but pointed out it wasn't a new idea by any fashion. If he has the right to post his opinion, I have the right to say it's not original. I apologized, too. When was the last time someone else here did that? What else do you want me to do? -EK

As for Marinovich, he was a reach. Al Davis took him way too early (no shocker there) based on a previous relationship. It was widely known around the league that Marinovich had substance abuse problems going into the NFL.

Hoodie was probably referring to Matt Cassel there...he's a fairly noteworthy exclusion.

Considering the motto for USC as been Running Back U for quite sometime, this is just another useless post by Captain Angsty.
Why not document all the crappy QB's that have come out of any of the Florida schools the last 30+ years, or the Big 10.
Perhaps if USC was ever known as a school that consistently put out QB's( instead of the whole RB U thing) I might buy your "highly researched if unoriginal idea".

Thanks, JTex.  I never thought to google this shit so I appreciate your time in putting this together. 

For some time I've been saying most USC QBs are spoiled with ridiculous talent supporting them.  I knew Leinart was going to be terrible but I didn't know their whole history was full of stinker QBs who never made it in the NFL.  Except Carson but he didn't exactly perform at HOF levels.

That he is.  I'd say next to Carson Palmer, he's neck and neck with Mark Sanchez for the best USC quarterback in the league.  Not that that's saying much.


You have to wonder about what might've been had Carson Palmer not suffered that knee injury against Pittsburgh in the playoffs in 2005.  As for Sanchez, coming out as early as he did was a big mistake.  The Jets made a big reach for him and it's proven disastrous.  He's still raw and needs time to develop.


No, he means Tommy, schmuck.  Whoever that may be.

Correct

Because none of those places have a reputation for bringing out "NFL ready" QBs, like USC does.  You have to admit, they have very high hype for the QB position in just about every draft of late.

I don't recall any big time QB's coming out of USC who did shit in the pros.  One could argue Carson Palmer but I still think he's average.  (side note my beloved Fighting Irish Quarterbacks haven't done shit in the pros since Joe Montana)

USC = Running Back U. It has been called that for decades. Also I distinctly remember a plethora of highly touted QB's coming out of the Florida schools, and other big programs too.
Over the time frame that he has chosen, USC was not known as a QB school. The last series of QB's has altered the overall perception a little.
But of that list he created 9 of the 20 never even made it into the NFL, this little stat basically nullifies his statement that USC is flooding the NFL with QB's who are not earning their way.  Of the current crop of USC QB's that have been drafted, Leinart is an obvious bust. Sanchez and Palmer are still starting and earning their way in the NFL. Cassel basically evens out Leinart.