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shefter and mort both reporting its joe philbin

Just saw it. Thank god!

And bring on Matt Flynn now too.

LaCanfora just said on NFL Network the deciding factor (or at least a big reason why Philbin got the job) is because McCoy said NO WAY to Bowles being made Defensive Coordinator. Philibin said he is open to the idea.

yay, dictate to your coach who his assistants should be... thats gonna work out great

And the madness continues....
 Lets be clear on this. They wouldn't hire the guy who they made the interim coach. But hires the guy who would be "open" to the idea of the interim coach being the DC.
The hits just keep on comin...

most new first time head coaches aren't allowed to pick their assistants. Rex had Schotenimer shoved down his throat. Tomlin had no say in his staff when he took the job. It's rare new first time head coaches are allowed to hand pick their ENTIRE staff. They have guys forced on them most if not all the time

Oh boy, hope the dude knows how to compartmentalize. I need a drink.

So "Sparano's" staff is bad, only when Sparano is leading them? I'm just trying to figure out this whole status quo thing. I mean if Sparano was so bad, why keep any of the staff? Why hire the one guy who wasn't prior staff, but willing to keep some of the staff? Right there is the main reason why this team didn't land The Big Name Head Coach.

Uh, who is staying? 1 guy? Nolan is gone. Daboll is now gone since we hired an offensive coach.

Keeping 1 guy I don't see as "status quo" sorry!

Uh, Nolan left on his own. And Daboll is gone by a de facto hire.

Nolan was under contract for next year and the Fins let him out of it. Get the facts right!

And the fact they hired an offensive coach shows that they didn't want Daboll either. Once again, how is that status quo. They are blowing it up and might keep 1 guy (ie Bowles) in the process.

I think what you're missing MikeO is that they basically hired Sparano 2.0. No head coaching experience. Didn't call the plays for the offense. Was mainly in charge of the offensive line. Blah, Blah Blah. And Bowles is pretty much Nolan 2.0. Yeah, they are blowing it up alright, so they can put it all back together again in exactly the same way. Whoopee!!!!

And anybody that thinks this in any way shape or form gives Miami an edge in getting Flynn is an idiot. At most what it does it give them one more guy that would probably love to have Flynn, but that doesn't mean Flynn has any desire to come to Miami.

Everyone they talked to aside from Fisher had no head coaching experience. This isn't shocking news.

Read the reports in the press right now. Philbin's 2nd interview in NYC was a lot about Matt Flynn. Miami might be going for it with him and making him a big $$$ offer. Lombardi has something on it. LaCanfora does. Armando does. John Clayton did an ESPN piece on it moments ago. Matt Flynn and Todd Bowles were the main to things that got Phibin this job. Philbin being open to keeping Bowles (who Ross and Ireland love) and Philbin possibly being able to lure Flynn to Miami.

This was my point exactly, but you know Mike... Of course the press in Miami is saying that. Guess what? The press in D.C. is saying he will be a Redskin, and in Seattle they're saying he will be a Seahawk. Nationally, ESPN and CBS are reporting Philbin SHOULD go after Flynn, but I've seen nothing saying that it will happen. -EK

You know me and the rest of the football breathing world think Miami has the edge on Flynn if they want him....

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7485177/source-miami-dolphins-plan-hire-joe-philbin-next-coach
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post?id=37574
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/sfl-joe-philbin-dolphins-coach-012012,0,1065955.story
https://twitter.com/#!/ArmandoSalguero/status/160511359061196800
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Miami-Dolphins-hire-Joe-Philbin-new-head-coach-012012


Should I keep going, there are about 100 more articles published on this right now with some mention of how Flynn was mentioned in the interview this week in NYC and how Flynn to Miami is very possible and how Miami has the edge for Flynn if they want him. Not saying Flynn will go to Miami, I mean Dan Snyder could offer him goofy money,  but everyone is reporting its very likely Flynn and Miami is a match or that Miami has the edge for Flynn if they want him.

But live in your bubble and think its a far fetched idea. While reality is going on around you

No no! I would love to have him. But you made it sound like it's a done deal, when that's pretty big speculation. -EK

I never said it was a done deal. Here we go again, you take something I say and spin it out of context,then come out against it and start a pissing war over it. You never learn.

I never said it was a done deal. You make shit up!

Here is what I said..

I'll say that if Miami winds up crashing and burning on yet another team's backup QB, at least they aren't giving up picks for him. It's only money.

That's one way of looking at it. lol

And it's not my money, so I encourage them to spend as much as possible.  :P

Nolan was under contract, on a year-to-year basis. He was free to leave this offseason. Get your own facts straight.

A few weeks ago, I really liked the idea of Philbin as HC.

After his family's tragedy, however, I've sorta cooled on the guy.  I'm not saying it's a bad hire by any means.  Football wise, he is one best candidates left.  On an emotional level I wonder if he's capable of getting the job done.

My son died a few years ago, and it took me the better part of a year to be emotionally capable of giving my best to anything.  He's probably going to want to be at work and back into routine ASAP, but there are some wounds only time heal.  My heart goes out to the new coach.

Mike-"Flynn to Miami looks very real" is not me making shit up. At least one other person read into your quote that it seemed pretty much done or the other comment wouldn't have been made by Pappy I wouldn't think. -EK

Edit- wait ha ha ha ha ha. Just read those articles you linked. "May give them" an edge and "possibility" aren't ringing endorsements for Flynn coming. He "may" come but he "may" also not. OF COURSE the press is going to mention something simply because they both have been in GB for the past what- 5 years? It's a no brainer the media makes something out of it, even of there's nothing there. What did you expect them to write?? Don't tell me about the labor pains, show me the baby. -EK

"It's only money?"  Money that can cripple you for years, you mean.  Right?  Because that is money you CAN'T spend on other areas if it doesn't work.

Miami has been in good cap shape in recent years. What's the excuse for the failure then? Spend money, don't spend money....you can lose either way. Why not try to spend some money and try a difference approach. There is nothing to lose. This franchise has been miserable for a decade, who cares that they have been in good cap shape. It means nothing. Spend money on the RIGHT players. That's the goal!

And spending money on another team's backup, isn't the way to go.

Unlike in the past with AJ Feely among others, we are bringing in the backup AND the system the backup has played in. Unlike with Fiedler or Feeley and forcing them to play a new system the Fins would bring in Flynn AND the system Flynn is used to. That is a huge difference. We will see.

Hey, Clements could stay in GB and take Philbin's old job, GB doesn't have to let him go. And Miami could hire Mike Sherman as offensive coordinator and draft Sherman's boy who he coached Ryan Tannehill from Tex AM. Another strong possibility.

Yes, bringing in the player & the system. Without the players to that system. Can't wait to hear the excuses when this doesn't work.

At least this time around, it will cost the Dolphins only money.  Last time they went after another team's backup that was supposedly a "star in the making" it cost the Dolphins a second round pick.  That's right, a SECOND ROUND PICK for a THIRD STRING quarterback.

as a father with a little girl and another little girl on the way, i can't even imagine what it must be like to deal with such tragedy.

i know life goes on, and you have to push forward, but... i just don't see how this guy can jump head first into this job and give it everything he has.

You got a point there.

The biggest reason I'm not sold on him as a head coach? He was selected by Ireland and Ross because he fits their idea and plan and we know how well they make decisions. I can't think of a hire that created less excitement.

He wasn't selected by Ireland.  Word is, Ireland liked McCoy better.  Ross, on the other hand, obviously knows which are the coaches that can do some good with this team.  He went after Harbaugh last year and look what Harbaugh did in San Francisco.

For once, Ross showed he has some balls and went with his gut instinct rather than listen to this idiot of a GM.  This could very well be the beginning of the end for Ireland, especially if Ireland doesn't kow-tow to Philbin's needs for a top flight quarterback.

Let me say, I AGREE WITH YOU!

But to play Devil's advocate for one second, many seem to think the ONLY reason Ross went after Harbaugh  is because Harbaugh is a "Michigan Man" much like Ross. Not because Ross saw some great coach, he just saw he went to Michigan. Just like in 2008 shortly after Ross bought 50% in the Fins on the 2nd day of the draft Ross went into the war room shortly before a Miami pick and got into a heated argument with James Saxon (RB Coach), Ireland, and Parcells  because he  (Ross) wanted Miami to take Mike Hart over Lex Hillard simply because Hart went to Michigan. And when Parcells asked Saxon to explain to Mr. Ross why they all like Hillard more, Saxon ran down a list of like 10 things about Lex that are better. Ross didn't like that, got heated and felt embarrassed, and called out Saxon and said Saxon was wrong in front of the entire coaching staff, scouts, and front office.  NOW....3 years later Lex is a starting fullback on a team. And Mike Hart is an assistant coach at Eastern Michigan.

Ross at times gets star struck with the maze and blue. So, while I agree with what you are saying this time because there is no Michigan tie in and it looks like he finally grew a set and made a decision on his own, I'm not so sure the Harbaugh chase was some great talent evaluation.

Everyone wanted Harbough so that made him important to Ross. Had everyone been high on Cher she would have been our coach.  I can't give Ross credit over Ireland when his two prerequisites are can you work under Ireland and will keep Bowles? That hardly seems like an owner who knows talent and is willing to go get them.

Sometimes it is the way to go...and sometimes it isn't.

If Miami had been able to grab the 49ers' backup when Joe Montana was under center, it would have landed them Steve Young.

If Miami had been able to grab the Patriots' backup when Drew Bledsoe was under center, it would have landed them Tom Brady.

I'm of the opinion that putting hard and fast "you should always do this...you should never do that" rules in place is a great way to potentially miss out on something good. Each situation/each player, should be looked at individually to gauge its/their merit.

Signing Matt Flynn? No draft picks required? Sure...I'll take the guy. As much as I appreciate how Moore turned things around this past season, I still see Flynn as a much better starting QB.

 

You can add in...
Favre:Rodgers
Rivers:Brees
Brady:Cassel (okay not quite as good as the other four)

Not to mention this would be a rare case of a QB coming to a new team but having his offensive coordinator in place with him. Guys like AJ Feely, Jay Fiedler, Matt Cassell, Kevin Kolb...etc guys who get big money to go from backup to starter  for a new team aren't going to a team with the same exact offense in place they have played in since day 1. With the same terminology with the same coach in place with the new team. That's rare!

The ONLY guy that comes to mind who did that was Matt Hasselbeck. When Holmgren went to Seattle and he brought Hasselbeck with him. That is the only time I think it has happened and that was over a decade ago, and oh yeah it worked!

I think Miami will make a push for Flynn. OR, they make Mike Sherman the offensive coordinator if he doesn't get the Tampa Job and Miami could draft Ryan Tannehill (Sherman's QB from Tex AM). I think right now those seem like the top 2 options for Miami with trading up for RG III being option #3.

Vick:Schaub in Atlanta

I don't like this hire, but I'm going to support it.  I see a plan in place with keeping the defense intact, upgrading the o-line in the first round, getting a QB in the second or third round and bringing in Flynn.  I'm down with that.

Unless a major trade happens in the draft for the Dolphins, it looks like Matt Flynn is the best case scenario.  I'm not sure how I feel about that.

I'm not happy either. Its just amazing on how they set out for a big name with experience. To settling for a guy with no NFL head coaching experience. Not only that. They plan on implementing The Vaunted West Coast Offense with a guy who didn't call the plays. I hope it works. Just don't expect miracles. That offense takes time to learn and personnel they don't have to run it.

Brandon Marshall should probably do very well in the offense.  That's a positive. 

Same offense Brandon played in with the Broncos with Shanahan. This offense is also custom made for Reggie Bush. Miami just needs a QB to run it

The Philbin press conference was great.

-Ross takes a shot at Jeff Fisher less than 2 min

-Ross started using Al Davis catch phrases in his opening statement

-Ireland says Philbin can hire any assistant he wants and no coach will be forced on him (ie a shot at McCoy for saying they were forcing Todd Bowles on he and Philbin)

Philbin came off well though. Very organized and comes off as someone who is in control.

Any chance you have a website to watch it?  I tried several spots and couldn't find it.  I think it was live on miamidolphins.com but I missed it.

Here is the Philbin part. This doesn't give the opening comments by Ross and Ireland nor the questions to Ross and Ireland after Philbin took questions. THAT was the best part. But for the Philbin part here is the link.

http://thefinsiders.com/video?bcpid=359371433001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAPLps31k~,TJzr-TEF9ZCBmr465_RhOYx3PAlYRdu_&bclid=260803762001&bctid=1406706604001

Well, I hope he hires younger, more enthusiastic assistants to drive that message of aggressiveness home. Because if they are carbon copies of him, it won't happen.

You realize he is 2 weeks removed from his 21 year old son dying. Did you expect him to be giggles and laughing up there? Show a little respect!

I'm not really against his hiring or anything, I don't really know the guy, but that's what worries me. I hope he does a good job, but right now I have zero confidence he'll be any better than Sparano was because he just doesn't have any experience. I have nothing to base my expectations off of. At least with Fisher and a lot of the guys that Miami decided not to interview they had some experience and something to base your judgement of them on. Nobody was a guarantee, but their were guys with a lot better resume's out there than Joe Philbin. Just because the Dolphins decided to only go after Fisher and then a bunch of guys with zero head coaching experience doesn't mean that I have to like their choices. Philbin has never been a head coach at any level, at least Sparano had been a head coach before, just not in the NFL.

So MikeO, why don't you tell us why you like this hire? What's he bring to the table that has impressed you?

No, I didn't expect him to be "all smiles".  I expected to see why and how he got the job. I wasn't impressed. I heard someone who expressed his professional accolades above his family's support. I heard the Dynamic Duo take digs at other people. And you want to call me out for lack of respect? Please.

I think after Fisher he was the best choice. Long time assistant with the most experience out of the rest of the candidates (minus maybe Zimmer but Zimmer has personality issues it seems and won't get hired anywhere as of now). And I'm not going to rip the guy before he coaches a game. Give him a chance. 

I like how he has from reports helped Aaron Rodgers and his career. Rodgers has said Philbin helped him with his release point and changed him as a QB and made him the player he is today. In a QB driven league that is important. I like how he helped gameplan the Packers offense that has been one of the best if not the best in recent years. Yes, McCarthy called the plays but Philbin as doing the leg work while McCarthy was doing other head coach stuff (media, working with defense, special teams...etc). If the GB offense was average or bad, maybe a red flag. The Packers offense has been great a large part because of Philbin's work turning Rodgers around and with his game planning. And I don't see too many guys with "better" resumes I gotta be honest. Zimmer has a good resume but its probably on par with Philbins not all that different really. And they wanted an offensive coach, so. Smart move there.

You people call me the negative one, but some of you are ripping the guy before he has hired an assistant or coached a game. I mean seriously. And one guy is upset he didn't show enough emotion today at a press conference...I mean a press conference and its  2 weeks after his son died. I mean talk about classless and going above and beyond reasons to rip the guy. It's silly. I mean it's just foolish to say such a thing.

Philbin may be great or he may suck. I don't know, but I'm not gonna rip the guy before he has done one thing yet in Miami. When he does something bad or stupid I will be the first to shout it from the roof-tops don't worry. But to rip the guy now....I mean come on!

He's not there to write a love letter to his family. He thanked his family and all. He told the touching story of how his one son told him to take the job and go for it because Michael would have wanted that. This wasn't "Joe Philbin this is you're life"...he was there to talk about the JOB he got hired to do!  Of course he will open up with the football aspect first. So you are upset he didn't do the family thing at the start of his speech but saved it to the end? Are you serious? That is insane!

You are entitled to hate the man and think he sucks, but the reasons you have for it are extreme, fringe element, and odd to say the least.

A good QB will always cost you a lot of money, so that is neither here nor there; you should expect to have a certain % of your cap tied up at the QB position.  But if Flynn doesn't pan out, then Miami can simply cut him.  They will take a cap hit in the year that they cut him, and that's the end of it.

Having one cap-strapped year if/when they cut Flynn is preferable to losing out on several years of potential (cheap!) production from a promising rookie.

First of all, I never said that I hate the man. Nor did I ever say that he sucks. Let me be clear. It is tragic what happened to his family. I do not wish that on anybody. My heart goes out to him & his family.
That being said, I was commenting on what he said. And what the owner & GM said.
No one said he had to lead off with an hour describing his love of family. Starting the way he did, shows to me that the Job was more important. Maybe I'm wrong in that. But that's how it comes off.  I never got "on" him for his "lack of emotion" in describing his goals for the team. What he said sounded contrived. Who doesn't want quality, fundamentally sound people who want to win?

At the same time, Ross & Ireland said from the beginning that they wanted someone with experience. Then they hire a guy that has NO head coaching experience. It has nothing to do with his assistant coaching resume'. It has everything to do with his inside track to land the QB he coached. It also has to deal with his willingness to let them decide who he hires for assistants. MC Coy didn't get the job because he wouldn't play ball. That story got out. So Ireland makes it a point to say Philbin will be able to hire who he wants. Nobody comes out and says that. That's usually a given.

If Flynn doesn't sign with Miami, this will blow up. Then, what?

Dude kind of looks like Larry Coker hope he is better coach.

“Calm, cerebral, humble and a skilled offensive mind. His style will resonate with players. Dolphins fans have reason to smile.”  ESPN analyst and former Packers executive Andrew Brandt, on Twitter

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/22/2601484/miami-dolphins-executives-players.html#storylink=cpy

also on WQAM yesterday after the press conference they were talking to a bunch of people and such and they shot down one report that is totally false. This notion Philbin didn't call plays in GB is not totally true. Ross called Mike McCarthy last week to get insight on Philbin. McCarthy told him Joe Philbin did call the offensive plays. Just that McCarthy pulled rank on him at times and took over play calling on what he felt were "critical" plays or "important" plays in games. Which is not un-common for an NFL head coach to do. Pull rank and take over playcalling at times. But Philbin did call plays for every game in GB under McCarthy. He might have not called every single play in the game, but he was calling plays.

Also on his resume; Philbin's resume is better on paper going into this head coaching job than Sean Payton's was when he got the Saints job. And most everyone considers Payton a good head coach.

most? 

Yeah most. His in game decisions are considered terrible by a lot of people. He risks too much and doesn't play "smart" football at times. Over aggressive by some and careless. I like the guy and think he is a good coach, but I have heard many analysts and such tear him apart.

Mike, is that because he gets knocked for the talent he has and not enough credit for his coaching? Similar to Phil Jackson taking years to get the credit he deserved because he had MJ, then Shaq and Kobe? Just wondering. -EK

I don't know. I like Sean Payton. I'm not knocking him and I disagree with the people who do.

I tend to agree. -EK

I'm not surprised to hear the hyper-conservative talking heads deride Payton for being "over-aggressive."

Best choice from among the candidates that Miami interviewed or best choice from among the candidates that were available? Miami didn't interview a couple of guys that I would have interviewed. Billick for one. And if the reason they didn't interview him was because of the rumored issue that Ross had with him, that doesn't exactly instill a lot of confidence of Ross in me. I HOPE that wasn't the reason they didn't interview him.

^^^ It has been a while, but wasn't the point of those articles that what Ross said was in jest and Billick responded negatively to it. That seems more like Billick having issue with Ross than vice versa. I may have misread, but I took it Ross wasn't serious in his comment.

^^ My understanding is that Billick thought Ross was joking when Ross mentioned it to him and even put it in his book that he owed Ross 40 million.  Ross wasn't joking or at least he didn't think it was funny and was apparently upset with the book.

I just tried looking it up and found three articles immediately. One made it seem like a contentious relationship (the one posted in our forum) and the others didn't mention it being anything other than joking around. I'm not sure where it stands based on that.

The one big knock that has always been on Sean Payton is in 2000 and some people can't get over is when he was the Giants offensive coordinator they offense struggled badly. Then when Jim Fassell stripped him mid-season of his play calling duties and started calling the plays himself the offense got RED HOT with Fassel's play calling on offense, won the NFC Championship game 41-0 on their way to the Super Bowl.

I mean Payton was a young coach then, but in this league some people never forget! And some people think take away a hall of famer like Brees and he would be an ordinary coach today.

Look, I like the guy. I'm just telling you why alot of people don't. Which I don't get

BOTH. Nobody else is out there. Who else you want? Winston Moss? Brian Schottenimer? Marty Schottenimer? Mike Mularkey? Mike McCoy? Mike Zimmer? It was a weak pool this year and Philbin was probably the best of the group. Whether this was a deep pool this year or a shallow pool, Philbin was getting a job. He was the next in line among assistants in this league and if Miami didn't hire him then Oakland or Tampa would have. In fact when Ross called him last week he got Philbin OFF the plan as he was about to head to Oakland. Philbin was getting hired someplace this year.

And on Billick. It's NOT just Miami who doesn't interview him. NO TEAM IN THE LEAGUE has even given Billick an interview. Every team can't be wrong. He has huge red flags.  Since Billick got fired in Baltimore, not 1 team has given him the time of day.  Not 1 interview! To hold that against Miami and only Miami I don't get.

Just remember, when Mike McCarthy left SF as offensive coordinator and got the Packers job a few years back, the SF offense McCarthy was running was ranked 31st in the league. You think Packers fans were doing back-flips when they heard McCarthy was coming to GB?! I'm just saying Philbin was highly regarded by many across the league and I won't crap on this hire. Out of everyone left I think he was the best and I like the move by Ross/Ireland.

http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/01/09/2578694/jeff-fisher-by-logic-is-miami.html

Here's where I read it.

That is the link that we had on this site. The Sun Sentinel had two others I saw that didn't show real contention between the two. I don't really care for Armando anyway.