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Because there are a lot of reports putting Flynn in Miami due to our new head coach and our need for a QB. I have no problem with the team giving a QB a huge contract if he is worth it, but the damage done to the franchise to give this kid $100 Million and have him be like Matt Cassel would be huge.

Why would the Dolphins give him that much?

Matt Cassel was 11-5 (technically 11-4, Brady was the starting QB for the first of those wins) and he got 6 years, $63 million.

Flynn has two starts and is 1-1.

I agree he isn't worth that much based on 2 games, although my figure was just a guess on the high end. However, every time I go on Rotoworld or even ESPN they mention how he will get a huge contract. I am fine with bringing the kid in, but not if it kills any cap space we have for the next few years.

I think he is going to get a decent contract.  And he should.  Unlike Andrew Luck, RGIII and all the other potential NFL quarterbacks that will be in the draft, it is a known fact he can play at the NFL level, the rest it is mere speculation if they can or can't. I just think it will be slightly less than Cassel, but somewhere in that ballpark.

The figure I keeo hearing is around $50 million. I don;t know why the Flynn talk keeps making the rounds though, as everything that is being reported has him as the third option, behind Manning and RGIII. -EK

Any smart team would make him earn it.  I wouldn't have  a problem giving him a Matt Cassel type deal but his first year salary has to be modest.  Just me playing GM

I could not agree with you more.  If he was a proven starter, then Cassel money could be justified.  However, its not my checkbook that's about to broken.

Matt Schaub
Matt Cassell
Kevin Kolb

QB's who were backups and got signed for big pay days.  I'm sure there were others.

You could add Steve Young and Brett Favre to the list, I guess.

The best thing about paying Matt Flynn is that Philbin is the only coach qualified to make that move.  What I mean by that is that if Philbin thinks he is worth the money, I would trust him on it.

The only game I have seen him play in was the game against the Lions.  He had record numbers but in my opinion it had everything to do with his receivers and horrible Lions defense.  The only thing I thought he did well was get rid of the ball on time.  If he has good work ethic and Philbin thinks he can be a leader, then I would say he is worth a shot.  Otherwise, I didn't see anything that I felt would translate particularly well to another team.

I would be equally fine with drafting someone to wait a year behind Moore.  I think they learned a good bit with Henne and won't make the same mistake twice.  Trading up will cost us too much from what I can see, especially now that we have a rookie wage scale.

Nobody is giving Matt Flynn $100 million. That's insane. Probably $65 mill with around $20-22 guaranteed.

I'm still not sold on Flynn going to Miami AT ALL. From Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald: "Is it Manning at age 36? Or Flynn who is largely unproven? A [Dolphins] team source e-mailed me this afternoon that the priority is Manning. This coincides with news out of Mobile, Ala., where the Senior Bowl is going to be played Saturday. A league source there tells The Herald's Barry Jackson that the Dolphins have shown no interest in Flynn as of yet—not even informal interest. Now, teams are not allowed to show formal interest in soon-to-be free agents at this time. But at those Senior Bowl practices, where agents and team personnel departments mingle on the sideline, it's common for preliminary signs of future interest to be displayed. In fact, it's almost expected." -EK

yeah because teams, coaches, and GM's have never lied before to throw people off the beaten path of their "real" plans!  ::)

I'm just gonna mention this,yeah apples to oranges,wrong sport same idea in a sense to me...It's sort of the way I feel about Matt Flynn (sorry if it comes off as a hi jack,Mods can delete it,and the board arguers can tear it apart)

Cubs hired Dale Sveum to be the manager this off season,he was the Brewers hitting coach.Fans,and media,kept speculating,the Cubs have some inside track,should be the front runners,the favorites to sign Prince Fielder the free agent 1st baseman from the Brewers (and the Cubs have a need at 1st base).The front office had other ideas,They didn't want to spend a bunch of money,long term contract on him.It seemed like a whole lot of shit being thrown against the wall about the Cubs signing Prince Fielder,till they bring him in and talk to him,and aleast offer him a contract...It's just a whole bunch of shit being thrown on the wall...

Just the way I see it....

(For the record, I'm holy mother Effin, effin jumping up and down,just banged a super model happy the Cubs didn't sign Prince)

Well, the person that would know if Flynn is the real deal is Philbin!   So if Flynn is legit... I'd expect the Phins to make a play for him.  That gives us a chance to pick up some other pieces in the draft if he is in fact the real deal!

And because guys chatting on the internet with no inside knowledge whatsoever have a better idea?  ::)  When all the reports said Flynn was coming, and you put it out there, they were right. Now other reports are saying something else, but-shocker- since Mike didn't say them, they are wrong? -EK

I didn't say anyone was right or wrong. I am just saying just because it is out there doesn't make it true. This is the season in the NFL where teams float FALSE info to get others off what they really want to do. Happens before the draft and leading into the draft. Happens leading into free agency.

I can see you're point. If I am to assume Pujols=Manning, and Fielder=Flynn. The Cubs hire the Brewers hitting coach. Which would be like the Dolphins hiring the Packers QB coach. If this plays out, is it safe to assume that the Dolphins would be looking to draft a QB rather than sign a free agent? Flynn did very well with GB's system & players. The question is, does Philbin believe Flynn would work with Miami's players?

NFL.com has a story about how Brandon Marshall has already reached out to Matt Flynn and is trying to recruit him to come to Miami.

He pretty much threw Matt Moore and his WR coaches he has had the past 6 years under the bus in the interview but he said he did reach out to Flynn. And he mentioned he has heard only great things about Philbin.  Brandon said it isn't tampering because its just players talking to players. When the NFL was contacted they said the same, he broke no rules.

http://www.nfl.com/probowl/story/09000d5d826630ae/article/dolphins-marshall-talks-to-flynn-about-teaming-up-in-miami


Read the interview, I see no one "throwing anyone under the bus"  just my $0.02..but hey, judge for yourself guys

He said Moore had a good year but they need to bring someone in to make the team better. Not exactly a ringing endorsement of your QB!
 
Then he said the past 6 years he has had a different WR coach and none of them he had chemistry with and could take him to the next level. Once again, not a quote any of those WR coaches will be happy about. I doubt they are using Brandon has a reference on their resumes for their next jobs with quotes like that.

I'm not even knocking Brandon for what he is saying, it's not that big a deal. So this isn't some MikeO going after Marshall again.  But lets call it what  it is. He threw some people under the bus!

^ I agree with you about the comments on Moore (although throwing him under the bus is a bit strong), but I'm not reading the WR coach thing like you. He seems to be complaining that he's had a new coach every single year for 6 years. That he hasn't been able to develop any chemistry with them is hardly surprising. Bringing in a coach he's worked with before, while still a 7th WR coach in as many years, would appear to be a good way to solve the problem.

Calling it a back-handed compliment better than throwing it under the bus? Maybe, not the point I was trying to drive home anyway. Like I said I really have no problem with what Marshall said.

Bottom line is Marshall has reached out to Flynn which is the real story.

It's kinda like the fuss they made about Alex Smith having a different OC every season he was in SF.  It's very tiring to completely forget everything you learned the previous season to learn a whole new offense time and time again.  Saying he "hasn't had a chance to establish chemistry" is putting it very mildly and frankly, pretty obvious.

Imagine if your job changed management every 6 months. That's not easy on anybody. That's why I've been pushing for Moore so much. The guy comes into a new system with no offseason. Yes, he struggled at first. But, he showed improvement. Now there's a new system. Once again. If Flynn doesn't sign, whoever the QB may be is going to struggle. Whatever they decide to, they just need to stick with something.

Marshall also "reached out" to Ochocinco and Mike Sims-Walker last year, and neither ended up in Miami. This is a non-story. The owner of the team wants Manning, with Flynn as a distant third behind RGIII. No matter how much you keep wanting "Flynn to Miami" to be a story, it's nothing more than speculation that's been denied and shot down by everyone but you, apparently. -EK

And Manning to Miami is speculation, RGIII to Miami is speculation, Flynn to Miami is speculation. That's what message boards are for, to talk about news, rumors, and speculation until things happen and games are played!

What's your deal?! Take a chill pill!

Miami's desire for Manning is not speculation. The owner has come out and flat said it's his number one off-season priority. NO ONE is saying they want Flynn anymore but you. -EK

Really?  He did?  Then say good bye to a draft pick.

Manning is under contract.  And if Ross did what you claim it is tampering. 

But I think your draft picks are safe and the owner did not flat out say that.   

The owner has NOT said that because that would be tampering since Manning is under contract to another team and Miami would lose a draft pick. Anything you have heard about Ross wanting Manning is PURE speculation. Provide a Link the quote where Stephen Ross has said he wants Manning. We will wait. (save your time it doesn't exist)  

And it sounds like Brandon Marshall wants Flynn. There ARE actual quotes from Brandon saying so on NFL.com!!  Not to mention Aaron Rodgers on his radio show the other day said he feels that its a strong possibility of Flynn to Miami. Considering Aaron knows both Flynn and Philbin, maybe it holds some water. maybe it doesn't though.

Point is....the whole thing is speculation, I don't know why you are upset. It's silly.

I gotta agree with Mike on this one. Ross has only  stated that he wants a "franchise QB". He's never said who he wants that person to be. Personally I believe Peyton is too expensive given the risk involved. I'm not sold on Flynn. I believe Moore has the potential. But I am open to drafting one for future development.

Feel free to rip that up, but that's how I feel.

Mike are you being purposefully dense or do you cherry pick the posts you want to respong to. I already quoted in this very thread, "From Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald: "A [Dolphins] team source e-mailed me this afternoon that the priority is Manning. This coincides with news out of Mobile, Ala., where the Senior Bowl is going to be played Saturday. A league source there tells The Herald's Barry Jackson that the Dolphins have shown no interest in Flynn as of yet—not even informal interest. "

It doesn't matter what Marshall says or tweets- he makes no decisions and has zero pull with personel, which is why neither Ocho or Sims-Walker are in Miami.

Of course they can't "officially" say anything because it's considered tampering, but what- EVERY major sports media is wrong and you're right because you want Flynn here? NO ONE- and I mean NO ONE has Flynn ahead of Manning on the priority list.

A separate article from the Herald states, "If Manning is out there, if Flynn is available in free agency, at least we now know the team views Manning as the priority.
Why?
The club believes a healthy Peyton Manning is simply a better gamble than an unproven Matt Flynn. Flynn is younger and will be cheaper (although not by a lot) but clearly the Dolphins are more drawn to the idea of a proven NFL
performer -- despite his advancing age and greater risk of his neck injury resurfacing."

So, I don't know what to tell you- argue with the media, not me. Marshall's comments are a no-story because he has no clout and the team CLEARLY wants Manning ahead of FLynn. -EK

I've heard people shooting down Flynn because he was a back up in Green Bay and only showed a lil something in two games...  Well, one thing is Detroit had a good defense and he chewed them up and spit them out! Also, wasn't Aaron Rodgers Bret Farve's back up before he got his chance to play?

I'm not saying Flynn is Rodgers but, you also never know!

If Flynn is a good QB Philbin will know... it's fun to speculate what could happen but, all this is just that speculation!

  

Without resorting to the namecalling like you have too....YOU said "ROSS SAID MANNING WAS THE PRIORITY"....he didn't!! Ross hasn't said a damn thing! Now you are running and hiding behind unconfirmed reports from the Miami Herald and treating them like gospel. The same Miami Herald who handed the head coaching job to Mike McCoy by the way! They were wrong once! Just Sayin!

By the way, I can point to 3 or 4 ESPN/SI/CBS reports that have Flynn to Miami as the target and Manning is a smokescreen. It's out there, you choose to ignore it. I can't help you with that. I can't make you read or watch certain things.

Which leads to the point it is IT'S ALL SPECULATION! Everyone can see this but you. To try and prop up the unconfirmed report you want to believe over an unconfirmed report you don't want believe is foolish.

And you said ROSS SAID he wants Manning.....we are all still waiting for the link. Please provide it! And once again you saying I want Flynn here or have him atop the list, is YOU making shit up to get outraged about. I haven't done that. You don't know what I want or am hoping for.  You make stuff up to get worked up over. It is funny to watch from a distance I will say that.

No one's waiting for a link besides you. No one's getting worked up besides you. No one's diminishing he conversation to name calling and using foul language besides you. Believe whatever you want, Mike. No one came ever be right but you. When Manning is offered a contract before Flynn, I'm sure you'll hide behind some ridiculous argument like you always do. At least if Flynn IS their target, I will be man enough to say what I read was wrong. You twist it as always. Done here; believe the select group of reports you choose and ignore what the rest of the sports world says because it doesn't fit your agenda. -EK

When did I say I didn't want Peyton or he won't come here? I HOPE and PRAY a healthy Petyon Manning does come to Miami. We got a shot for a Super Bowl then!! Shortcut to success, sign me up!  Me posting a links to national media outlet reports that might say otherwise isn't pushing an agenda. Who am I pushing an agenda on? the 10-12 regular posters on this board. I mean seriously, pushing an agenda on who!? lol

I won't have to hide behind anything IF Manning comes here. Because I never said it wouldn't happen or said I don't want it to happen. Honestly I would be happy with Flynn or Manning. But all things equal if Peyton is healthy, I will take him and be elated. I am NOT ignoring any reports. I just take them all with a grain of salt. Unlike you who take some as gospel and treat others as trash.

Yet another thread devolved into semantics between EK and MikeO.  I wish one of you would just ignore every post by the other, or better yet both of you ignore each other.

I don't even know why he got upset and came after me. NFL.com has a story about Marshall talking to Flynn about coming to Miami and somehow I am pushing an agenda and its my fault. Try following that logic

Exactly.  I wanna read about football, not drama between these two. 

I get tired of it too, but you can't tell Mike he's wrong- ever. From the moment Philbin signed, Mike's been all gung-ho about how Flynn is coming, and how it was part of some conference or set up or whatever that it was part of the negotiations that Philbin wanted Flynn if he signed, and it was a likely thing. This thread was a lame attempt to back that claim up, when it's been reatedly reported that Miami wants Manning, not Flynn. They haven't given ANY indication that Flynn is on their radar. But you can't tell Mike that, because apparently HIS sources are God, and anyone else's are shit. Who gives a rat's ass what Marshall tweets. It's a non-story, because Marshall doesn't make personel decisions, and every indication is they want Manning. Period. -EK

Could be they're trying not to tip their hand on Flynn?   I'm sure they don't want to give him any leverage if they are in fact targeting him.

You get tired of it? YOU STARTED THIS ONE! This was a simple post in a thread about Marshall's comments about talking to Flynn from NFL.com and you went came after me like I was there with the tape recorder printing the story. How am i wrong? What did I say that was wrong.  I didn't make the news up! I also NEVER said anything you just claimed. I NEVER said it was a package deal of bring in Philbin and Flynn was coming. YOU MAKE SHIT UP!  This is another example. You just make stuff up out of thin air and attach my name to it.

I have NO sources! I don't report news, I am a fan on a message board. Posting a link to a Dolphins story from NFL.com on this board an commenting on it isn't reporting news. I saw the story, found it interesting and commented on it like others did as well. Not that big a deal.

And if its a non-story why did you reply to any of it?

P.S...Marshall didn't tweet anything so I am guessing you didn't even read the article that you are so outraged about!

Your right MikeO has his opinion and he's not going to change it (that's his right), so why do you continually spend post after post trying to change his mind?? It's not going to happen.   State your point of view once, maybe twice, then move on.  Likewise I'm sure he's not going to change your opinion.

Wow!

Seriously guys?

Neither one of you want to be the bigger person and walk away from this... can we get on with the thread?