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Just saw it on the news ticker.  There goes a possible tight end upgrade for the Dolphins.  What concerns me more is if they tag Flynn.

^^ which will probably happen.  C'mon Peyton!!!!!!!!

Possible, but not likely.  Are they really gonna be in a position to have to pay their backup QB $40 million?

It would only be one year $14.4 mill they would have to pay him.  They are going to tag Flynn and trade him from all the reports out of Wisconsin. Probably for a 2nd  or 3rd round pick unless Cleveland offers up their lower first round pick to make sure they get him or if a bidding war heats up

Helps GB in two ways. 1) they can control where Flynn goes and keep him away from a rival NFC team if they want to  2) They get something in return for him.

it would suck for them to pay Flynn double what Rodgers makes for that one year

They won't tag him unless they have a deal in place. They aren't stupid up in GB. If they tag him, a trade has already been worked out and done.

If any team dumb enough to make that trade, then more power to them.

as always there are conflicting reports. Mort of ESPN is saying they won't franchise him. Cause they will get a Comp pick for him anyway once he leaves. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel is saying they will franchise him.

So we will see

Again, I seriously doubt it.  I agree with tubba. They're not going to risk being on the hook for double Rodgers salary. 

You are missing the point, they won't tag him unless a deal is already in place. There is no risk!

GB can work out a deal with another team behind closed doors, then "officially" tag him after that deal has been agreed upon, once March 13th comes  then trade him. No risk involved!!  A 0% chance they get stuck with him that way. That is what GB is doing.

Again, why would anybody trade for a free agent. The franchise tag would pay him the avg of the top 5 QB's. Granted it would be lower than in years past. Then, on top of that give up assets. That is a stupid trade. If you're going to make a trade you might as well with St. Louis for the 2nd pick in the draft. That's why there wouldn't be a trade in place if Flynn gets the franchise tag.

You clearly don't understand how the franchise tag works with your above post. The reason you trade for him is because somebody else might trade for him and he will NEVER be a free agent!!! ::)

GB can work out a trade in advance and THEN  franchise tag him anytime before the deadline and deal him. They did it with Corey Williams to the Browns for a 2nd rounder a few years back. They have history of doing this!

Once a team trades for Flynn you work out a long-term deal and don't pay him like a Top 5 QB!! That's the entire point! Flynn won't get a Top 5 QB pay on the open market he knows this, his value is at its peak right now. Hence, get a long-term deal and security NOW at its peak. Flynn doesn't want one big pay-day for 1 year, he wants a long-term deal!

Trade for RGIII=3 first round picks or so
Trade for Flynn=A 2nd or 3rd round pick

Which one is the more realistic trade!!!

Clearly you don't understand the concept of a trade. Obviously GB would want something for him. But no GM would trade for an unrestricted free agent back up QB. If Flynn was a proven starter, your argument might hold water. This year it doesn't. There's the possibility of Manning, RG III in the 1st round, a number of QB's in other rounds, and the QB's comming out next year. Nobody would pull that trigger. Not if they wanted to keep a job.

You are oblivious to the entire point and concept of this. It's amazing. Of course GB wants something for him, why do you think they would consider tagging him?!  ::) Not to keep him! They have till March 5th to make a decision on tagging him. If a team steps up and offers them a 2nd or 3rd round pick prior to March 5th, then they tag him (since they have the cap space or can by making 2 roster moves) and trade him March 13th at 4pm when the league year starts. If they can't work out a trade with any team before March 5th, guess what, they don't tag him. It's that simple! And you can't grasp this concept?

Also, if they tag him he isn't an unrestricted free agent. That's the entire point! That's why a team who might have the hots for Flynn would like to remove all risk of not getting him! Why is that so difficult to grasp/! Why did KC trade for Matt Cassel? Because they wanted him! That's why! They called New England and said we have to have this guy, tag him and we will trade for him. So no other team could swoop in and blow Cassell away with a huge offer leaving KC out in the cold.  If a team wants Flynn bad enough, they will trade a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him  AND block another team from having the opportunity to even talk to him and get him! This is a thing that has been done a ton of times in the NFL! Tag a guy then trade him. It's not new!

And GB did this a few years back with Corey Williams, they have a history of doing this. To think they wouldn't consider this notion is foolish beyond belief.

What is foolish beyond belief is someone with a one track mind. Yes, Green Bay has a history of this. You stated the same example twice. Lets go back to 2009. Matt Cassel was up against Rex Grossman, J.P. Losman, Byron Leftwich, & Kyle Boler. None of them are named  Peyton Manning. Matt Stafford was the number one draft prospect. Number two was Mark Sanchez. Sanchez was not projected to go in the top 5. Which means, there would be other options this year without having to make that trade. If I were going to make a trade, it would be for the number two pick this year. Outside of Cassel in 2009, there was no option if you wanted a quarterback. This year there are options. That's why it would be a foolish trade.

This is where you are totally lost on this issue. Why is it foolish if a team WANTS Flynn and thinks he is best option for them to give up a pick to secure him and remove all risk of losing him?  This ain't fantasy football son, this is the real friggin thing. This ain't playing a video game with your buddy in your parents basement or having a couple beers using a cheet sheet and a No. 2 pencil. If you as a GM or a franchise all together and feel Flynn is the best fit for your team, you don't risk that. Especially if you are a bad team without a viable QB on the roster. Which is why a team like Cleveland or Seattle or Miami might part with a 2nd or 3rd round pick to secure him.

It doesn't matter who else is in the draft or who else is a free agent. If a team WANTS Flynn they will be willing to do what it takes to get him, remove all risk. A team like Seattle for example in a garbage division is a QB away from going to the playoffs and contending for the division, they don't want some rookie QB and growing pains of having to deal with that. They are in win-now mode. Why risk losing him? Over what a 2nd or 3rd round pick? That's f'n foolish!

All these so called "options" you speak of. Let's be real...1) Luck isn't an option for any team NOT named Indy.  2) Manning who the hell knows with his injury. 3) Tannehill has only 20 games as a QB in his life and is a total project 2-3 years away from being ready. Who are all of these options?

Once again, give up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for Flynn. Or give up 3 first round picks or 2 first round picks and a 2nd rounder (or in that ballpark) for RGIII. What is more realistic for a team, obviously the Flynn deal.

Let say you are Miami. And under one scenario Luck goes to Indy. Manning retires. RGIII goes to Cleveland after they trade up. You want to get in a bidding war with Seattle and Washington over Flynn? Or give up a 3rd round pick or a 2nd round pick and just land him and remove all risk? That's a foolish trade? HA! Yeah right!

It always comes down to options. The deadline for franchising Flynn is March 5. While Peyton's current roster bonus date is March 8. The draft is in late April. As of right now, Green Bay would be the team with the risk. You have said numerous times that Green Bay would franchise Flynn only if a deal was in place. Problem is no one has to agree to such a deal. Leaving Green Bay to hold the bag. Regardless of whether or not Flynn is franchised or becomes a free agent, a bidding war will ensue.
Simply giving up a 2nd or 3rd round pick won't work this time around. Not with Cleveland holding two 1st rd picks & a 2nd rd pick higher than Miami. Miami might be able to sweeten the pot by offering Cam Wake (considering he's cheap & GB needs the help). Great, Miami signs a QB, but just made the defense worse with less opportunity to fill that gap. If you're sold on Flynn, fine. My point being, if you're going to have to make trade you might as well try to trade for the no. 2 pick. I would definitely take RG III over Flynn.

It comes down to options. Peyton & the Colts could push back the roster signing bonus. There may not be a bidding war for either RG III or Flynn. Here's another twist. If Green Bay does use the franchise tag, they could be entitled to two 1st rd picks. They don't have to ask for that. Cleveland could fulfill that this year alone. Again, it doesn't matter if Flynn is franchised or not. It comes down to options.

You are treating this like a Fantasy Football draft. If we don't get person A we will just take person B and its all good. Like I said, this is the real thing. And if a team WANTS Flynn, they won't risk losing him. This isn't the 4th round pick in your fantasy draft at the local pub, this is the real thing. If a team works out a trade agreement with GB in prior to March 5th that they will trade a 2nd rounder for Flynn if GB tags Flynn....they aren't going to go back on their word!! These are billion dollar companies making a high level business deal. This isn't your drunk next door neighbor acting like a fool in a fantasy league. This is real life. You are presenting a fantasy land world scenario that makes no sense.

No team HAS to agree to a deal, but a team might WANT to!! To ensure they get the QB they WANT to build around. Why is that notion so hard to grasp? No team is giving up 2 first round picks for him either, I don't know how a team would be forced to do that or how GB is entitled to it? Once again, they aren't going to Franchise him hoping a team gives up two first rounders, they know that is impossible and won't happen. GB isn't stupid!

And if you think Miami will trade Cam Wake.....you really lost on the Dolphins and their offseason plans and what they will "consider" doing. I mean outer space lost.

I'll start by saying that I was mistaken by the Cleveland scenario. If Cleveland were to make an offer for a franchised Flynn, Green Bay would get Cleveland's 1st rd picks for 2012 & 2013. If GB chose not match the offer.
Now, if Cleveland were to go into a trade scenario with GB, that would be different. However they do hold better draft leverage than Miami does. At the same time, GB would not be restricted to just looking at draft picks for a trade for a franchised Flynn. This is why the Wake possibility makes sense fir them. Not so much for Miami. But Miami has trade personnel that Cleveland does not have. This is what creates a bidding war. Regardless of whether Flynn is franchised or not. The fact that a team might "really" want him only drives up Green Bay's side of the equation.
Its still a matter of options. Its just a question of what side has the most amount of leverage. The free agent route favors Washington because of Dan Snyder. The tag route favors Cleveland because of their draft position & Mike Holmgren. Miami has better offensive weapons with a coach Flynn is familiar with. Seattle is in a bad division with the potential of getting better weapons. It still comes down to options. Period.

BTW, it is fantasy football. The only difference is that the owners have to pay for their mistakes.

CLE, JAX, KC, and SEA have no chance at getting Manning, no matter how much they are willing to spend.  Therefore, if one of those teams are interested in a QB upgrade (and they don't want to take the chance that they will lose out on Flynn), trading GB a 2nd is a plausible option for them.

What the heck does all this talk of Flynn and the franchise tag have to do with The Pack re-signing Finley??  Holy hijacks Batman!

Because the story is that GB signed Finley so early and so fast so they could use the franchise tag on Flynn. They couldn't tag both and they want to "possibly" tag Flynn if they can work out a deal with someone by March 5th.

Because if they couldn't work out a deal with Finley they were going to tag Finley. Now obviously they dont have too. It all ties together.

NFL Network reporting GB won't tag Flynn and might use the tag on Wells because they obviously can't afford to lose Wells and they know Flynn is gone either way.

So take that report for what its worth