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Title: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Brian Fein on March 09, 2012, 10:43:55 pm Presumably to grab RG3
Cost reportedly - 1st, 2nd, and two future 1sts. Rams pick up 2 future firsts and a 2nd to move down 4 spots from 2 to 6. Steep price. Glad it wasn't the Dolphins mortgaging the farm like that. http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7668243/source-washington-redskins-acquire-no-2-overall-pick-st-louis-rams Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: raptorsfan29 on March 09, 2012, 10:52:14 pm considering from what i read it was the redskins and dolphins leading the pack for Peyton, guess that means the dolphins have a clear shot at him now.
Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Landshark on March 09, 2012, 10:52:21 pm Cost reportedly - 1st, 2nd, and two future 1sts. Rams pick up 2 future firsts and a 2nd to move down 4 spots from 2 to 6. Steep price. Glad it wasn't the Dolphins mortgaging the farm like that. Steep price is an understatement. This is flat out robbery. If the Redskins suck and the Rams end up with an extra high pick, then it's grand theft. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: MikeO on March 09, 2012, 10:57:20 pm They gave up a lot to get him. But its a QB league and if he is the real deal then it was worth it
Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Brian Fein on March 09, 2012, 10:59:32 pm If he's not the real deal, the entire redskins front office should be given their walking papers.
That's exactly what I didn't want the Dolphins to do. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Landshark on March 10, 2012, 12:06:01 am If he's not the real deal, the entire redskins front office should be given their walking papers. That's exactly what I didn't want the Dolphins to do. Trouble is, you can't fire the owner. Especially a guy like Dan Snyder who is a billionaire and has the Redskins as his adult toy. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Spider-Dan on March 10, 2012, 02:01:22 am So to put this in perspective:
Eli has won two titles (both as Super Bowl MVP). He's essentially already delivered as much as you can expect from a #1 overall. In complete hindsight, would he have been worth 3 firsts and a second? (He was traded for 2 firsts, a third, and a fifth.) Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Frimp on March 10, 2012, 02:05:06 am ^^^
That will always be debatable. Personally, I don't think Eli should have been MVP in either Super Bowl. The Skins got ass raped. lol RG3 had better be the second coming of Joe Montana, otherwise they are SCREWED! lol Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Spider-Dan on March 10, 2012, 02:06:30 am Oh, and from the article:
Quote The trade will not change the Redskins' plans in pursuing Peyton Manning. They still intend to talk with, and try to sign him, even if they are considered a longshot. "Hey Peyton, would you like to spend the rest of your career with our 5-11 team that won't have a first-round pick until 2015?"Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Frimp on March 10, 2012, 02:16:35 am ^^^
I admit, I didnt read the article, but that is HILARIOUS!!! LOL Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Brian Fein on March 10, 2012, 02:17:10 am So to put this in perspective: They didn't trade up to #1 overall, they traded to #2 overall. Remember in 1998, when there were 2 QB's rated to go 1-2? One of them panned out - the one picked first. The other... well...Eli has won two titles (both as Super Bowl MVP). He's essentially already delivered as much as you can expect from a #1 overall. In complete hindsight, would he have been worth 3 firsts and a second? (He was traded for 2 firsts, a third, and a fifth.) Just sayin'... Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Spider-Dan on March 10, 2012, 04:26:41 am They didn't trade up to #1 overall, they traded to #2 overall. Remember in 1998, when there were 2 QB's rated to go 1-2? One of them panned out - the one picked first. The other... well... Remember in 2005 when there were two QBs that were both in contention for the #1 pick? The one that was picked first turned into Alex Smith. The other one turned into Aaron Rodgers.If Luck had decided to come out last year, would that have made Cam Newton worse and RG3 better? I wouldn't get too hung up on the #1/#2 thing. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: MikeO on March 10, 2012, 06:37:30 am They didn't trade up to #1 overall, they traded to #2 overall. Remember in 1998, when there were 2 QB's rated to go 1-2? One of them panned out - the one picked first. The other... well... Just sayin'... In 2004 you had Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. They have all turned out pretty good. I don't understand your point Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: el diablo on March 10, 2012, 07:38:32 am Only that sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. At least Indy is in a better position to build around Luck, than Washington is for RG III. Given Washington's track record in free agency, it doesn't look good. This has all the making for an ESPN documentary in 2022. "One For Luck, 3 for RG3".
Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: MikeO on March 10, 2012, 08:51:30 am So to put this in perspective: Eli has won two titles (both as Super Bowl MVP). He's essentially already delivered as much as you can expect from a #1 overall. In complete hindsight, would he have been worth 3 firsts and a second? (He was traded for 2 firsts, a third, and a fifth.) Hell yeah! And anyone who says they wouldn't is lost on the issue! I would have given that up for just 1 super bowl championship let alone 2! Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Brian Fein on March 11, 2012, 01:41:33 am Remember in 2005 when there were two QBs that were both in contention for the #1 pick? The one that was picked first turned into Alex Smith. The other one turned into Aaron Rodgers. I think you further emphasized my point here, which is that just because guys are rated 1 and 2 on the draft board does NOT meant that they are both guaranteed brilliant careers. Not necessarily any correlation to position. Just pointing out the obvious fact that neither Luck nor RG3 are guaranteed entities right now. They could end up being Matt Leinart and Akili Smith.If Luck had decided to come out last year, would that have made Cam Newton worse and RG3 better? I wouldn't get too hung up on the #1/#2 thing. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: Spider-Dan on March 11, 2012, 03:14:42 am Well, at the end of the day, if you're the Redskins and you've sucked for the last 20 years, what's 5 more?
The risk is worth it. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: MikeO on March 11, 2012, 08:34:11 am Well, at the end of the day, if you're the Redskins and you've sucked for the last 20 years, what's 5 more? The risk is worth it. Exactly! Washington is in the same boat as Miami, they have nothing to lose! Overpay for Manning or Flynn. Give up a ton of picks for a RGIII type. if it works you hit jackpot. If it doesn't, nothing has changed you are in the same position as before. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: masterfins on March 11, 2012, 02:31:59 pm At least Indy is in a better position to build around Luck, than Washington is for RG III. Huh?? Indy is in a position to build around Luck?? Indy won how many games last year?? They have released or cut how many starters from last year's team?? I guess if you consider starting with a hole in the ground a "better position" to build around then you are right. Title: Re: Redskins trade up with Rams Post by: masterfins on March 11, 2012, 02:37:23 pm In spite of the Giants' Super Bowl victory, Washington plays in a division that is pretty balanced, without an elite team. With the additionof an elite QB they could win or compete for their division title consistently. BUT, if RGII turns out to be just another average QB their franchise is toast for the next four years. Not the kind of gamble I'd want the Dolphins to take.
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