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ESPN has the story that Manning is signing with Denver or Arizona and he might not give the Dolphins a meeting. If something falls through he could meet with Miami

SIRIUS NFL RADIO said the Fins "dysfunctional front office structure" as the reason why Manning isn't high on Miami and won't meet with them.  Ross will NEVER live down the way he treated Sparano and going behind his back trying to hire Harbaugh. Never live that down! It will haunt him forever! The duel-coaching interview search with Peterson and Ireland this past year didn't help matters! The organization is viewed as a circus being run by a bunch of clowns. It will scare away anyone with a decent reputation in this league (ie Fisher, Manning...etc)

I'm not a bit surprised.

I'm not surprised either. If the Fins don't sign Matt Flynn then this offseason is an utter disaster on every level. Especially with the news that the Browns might take Tannehill at 4 in the draft. I am not a Tannehill guy, I think he has BUST written all over him and is a 2 year project at QB. But if the Fins miss on Flynn and don't have the opportunity to draft Tannehill, its gonna be real ugly.

That means Miami is forced to overpay for Kyle Orton (KC might keep him in all honesty and pay him big $$$) or Jason Campbell.

 I got a feeling Ross will be irate over not even getting a meeting with Manning (granted that isn't Irealnd's fault really) and if they whiff on Flynn all hell will break lose in Davie, FL! Might turn Ross on Irleand

The only positive is that there have been no comments from the Dolphins front office.  All the speculation has been from the media.  Maybe Flynn was their target all along.

That's the spin they will use. Which tells me that at least Ross and Ireland didn't come off as "desperate" this time and maybe are learning things as they go.Which I take as a positive!  But still, Ross will NEVER live down the way he went behind Sparano's back and tried to hire Harbaugh. Never live it down!

Fock Manning then.  Not even going to meet with them?  Heard he was all upset about the helicopter chase the other day and media attention.  As if he didn't get that in Denver, and possibly Arizona if he visits them??!?!?

Whatever.....I would like to have him, I'm not gonna lie, but if he's gonna be a punk ass bitch about it, then who cares.  We move on and draft a QB and stay with Matt Moore

Do not overpay for Kyle Orton, do not sign Matt "I've played 3 games in the NFL" Flynn, do not pass go and collect $200.

If he goes to Denver, which I claimed earlier they had no shot of signing him (eating crow here possibly), then screw him and I hope he can't perform to the level he's done in the past and they go 9-7.

IF (big if) this ESPN report ends up being total BS. And Manning ends up in Miami. And this is nothing more than Archie/Olivia/Peyton/Condon using the press to get every last dime out of Ross and the Dolphins that would really sour me on Peyton as a person (not the player). I thought he would be above that and wouldn't pull a punk move like that.

I understand its Peyton's last big payday and he wants his money, don't fault him for that. But to go about it this way, it would come off as lack of class!

If he ends up in Miami I would be happy, no doubt, I mean who wouldn't. But the way they went about it with this ESPN report would leave a sour taste in the mouths of many I think. Fans would get over it as would I, but it wouldn't put the Manning Family in a good light at all!

Haven't seen or heard this anywhere. Everything is still reporting Mannin to visit Miami as planned. -EK

Little company called ESPN that just covers sports bro. Maybe you have heard of them

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7672173/2012-free-agency-peyton-manning-favors-denver-broncos-arizona-cardinals-sources-say

I get that. But no one is reporting that he is NOT meeting with Miami. Seven minutes ago, ESPN Radio out of indianapolis reported he's heading there tomorrow. -EK

Because he lives in Miami and his wife is currently at their condo in Miami. He has to go to Miami at some point regardless of any of this.

Sorry let me be more clear. EVERY report I have read says he is leaning toward Denver but is still going to meet with the Dolphins. Has nothing to do with him having a house there. He plans to meet with them. It's silly to get worked up over a story like this that no one else is substantiating and different sources within ESPN are giving conflicting reports about. -EK

John Clayton reported at 4:30 its down to Arizona and Denver.

What is your point?? ESPN ticker on the television (at 7 pm) says he's still meeting with Miami and that Seattle is trying to get a meeting too. -EK

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jesus christ  I'm just passing along a report. God almighty don't read so much into everything and look to start an argument!

Chill the F' out! You come here looking to start fights then get all upset when Spider or myself get into it with you. Nobody is looking to argue with you but you come here on the defensive in every friggin post! Chill out bro!

No one is upset. You're the only one typing lunatic posts using foul language and getting upset. You think I come here to argue? You seem to come here in EVERY thread to pass along the gloom and doom, worst case scenario argument you can present, because you only see in black and white. Marshall sucks even though he was a pro bowler. Jake Long should be traded of we can get something for him because he's always hurt. Now, Miami has no shot at Manning, and he probably won't even meet them. Doesn't this shit ever get old to you? Do you EVER look at the glass half-full? I have no desire in debating this stuff with you, I just wish you'd A) stop posting the end of the world sky is falling stuff that you do, and B) stop PM-ing me juvenile videos that I delete without watching. -EK

doom and gloom? I was happy with the Philbin hiring. I am happy with either Manning or Flynn. I said our last draft was the best draft the Dolphins have had in years. I praised Marshall for his pro bowl performance. I have praised the defense over and over and over again.  I have been posting nothing but POSITIVE stuff!!

I link to an ESPN article in ONE THREAD that says Manning is down between Arizona and Denver  an "I" am posting doom and gloom in every thread? You can't be serious! Once again you are making stuff up to be outraged about to start "drama" over.  CHILD PLEASE!

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/03/manning-on-the-move-from-cardinals-facility.html

Armando with the report saying if the Fins get a meeting with Peyton they will go "outside the box".

Just heard from some sources he's definitely signing with Denver, and Tebow will end up in Miami next year.

Hilarious. Everyone seems to avoid the Dolphins like the frickin' plague. Telling.

And FYI, I saw that BS Shefter "report" on Manning being rattled by the media in Miami crap. That's all it was, crap. Shefter said, "I think if you talk to other people around the league that rattled him some." No where in that report did it say MANNING was upset about the media attention. pffffff

Yeah and in Denver he got the same helicopter chase he had in Miami. That report seemed fishy from the get-go

Sources ???

i may sound ignorant but i won't believe any sources on who peyton is going to sign with until espn says Peyton signs with whoever and there is a press conference when him with whatever teams jersey.

Not ignorant at all. The only FACTS we know for sure are this
-He had a meeting with Denver
-He had a meeting with Arizona
-He has officially declined meetings with Seattle and KC
-No time or date yet set for any meeting with Miami

Those are the only facts involved with this story as of Sunday Night.

i work at the WWL, and know pretty much all the NFL guys

How long is that bitch Shefter gonna keep having his wedding photo in the background, along with all the mini helmets? If you're gonna post a pic of your chick, she better be in a stunning outfit (bikini, preferred) and she better be hot.  My guess is she's not, hence, the wedding photo.  His wife prob gloats to all her girlfriends on how much he loves her.

She is hot, I have seen her stepping in front of his camera before his hits pretty often.

If Tebow ends up being the Dolphins QB, I'm going to absolutely lose my mind.

You and me both, bro. I heard that on Mad Dog Radio this afternoon, and I almost drove off the road.

^^ sad thing is most of the fan base would love it, but it would be so bad for the team.  That might be enough to make me stop watching.  I just can't bring myself to cheer for that no-talent bum.

Yeah.  I just bought season tickets.  That would be an interesting exercise in keeping my sanity.  Although it might drive up the re-sale value.

If Peyton goes to Denver I think Jacksonville saves their franchise by trading for Tebow. The word "BLACKOUT" will never be mentioned again in the city of Jacksonville. And they know that!

And while a few players and our GM have thrown passive aggressive jabs at Matt Moore this offseason if Tebow is on the Dolphins then Moore becomes the most popular player in Miami since Marino!

I would like to see Tebow in Jacksonville, actually.  I think it makes sense for everyone involved.  He can probably help their franchise in terms of wins, they love the guy, and they'll sell tickets.  ...and he won't be on the Fins.

Mort on ESPN just reported Manning won't decide by Tues 4pm when Free Agency starts

CBS 4 in Denver's Sports Anchor reported the Broncos told him Peyton called the Broncos late tonight and the team told him (the anchor) they are 95% sure he is signing with them.

Conflicting reports kind of, but that is the latest

Tebow in Jacksonville makes sense but I could see other teams getting involved too. Buffalo might make a play. They can't sell seats to save their life and he would help them business wise as well. Fitzpatrick contract has an out clause as well by July 1st where they can save money and not take a hit.

It would be an interesting move for the Jags, since they seemed pretty pleased with Gabbert.  Is he the next Jimmy Claussen?

I wouldn't mind if the Fins went after Tebow, as long as he wasn't the QB.  If he comes in to play TE, or some sort of flex H-back or something where he can have the ball and not have to throw, I might be OK with that.  There's a place for him in the league, its just not under center.

Especially not on every down.

See also:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/06/report-dolphins-believe-they-have-good-chance-to-sign-manning/

Local news media cannot be trusted in these situations.  CBS4 in Denver has no credibility here.

Unfortunately, Brian, your link is from 6 days ago.

Yes, I am well aware of that.  My point is that 6 days ago, the Miami media stated that the Dolphins are front-runners.  In hindsight, that seems to have been nothing more than mere speculation.  Now, Denver media is stating that Denver is the front runner.

Local media = homer. Can't be trusted as a reliable news source in this type of situation.

edit to add - Just read up more on this - its being reported by one single Denver reporter, and ProFootballLies has picked up the story to "scoop" people with false info.  It seems more and more fake by the hour.

From Twitter:
Chris Mortensen ‏ @mortreport 
Broncos official wants it known: Manning didn't call team today or tonight & inform they're 95% fave. Manning source already refuted to me

Who do you believe?

This is what we can really say so far:

After each stop Manning has made, the media insists that he LOVED that team and is Highly Likely To Sign There.  This may simply mean that he's not stupid enough to make a team think they are out of the running (after taking the time to visit them), which makes each subsequent team feel the pressure of having to one-up the Amazingly Awesome Visit he just had with the team(s) before.

Manning visits with the Dolphins on Monday.  Calm your nerves.  In 36 hours the speculation will have ended.

One thing to remember, Mort and Schefter are both represented by the same Agency as Peyton. So, they might have legit inside sources and be reporting the truth. OR they both could be being used by the agency to leak the info Condon and the agency want leaked and put out there.

If Manning doesn't sign with the Dolphins, I wouldn't mind having Tebow here as a TE or some other guy running the ball. Just not as QB unless you through in a wildcat-type play.

Tebow will not be on any team as a TE.  DEN would simply keep him if that were an option.

If Tebow comes to your city, there will be a QB media circus, guaranteed.  No team that is uninterested in playing him at the QB position would trade for him.  It's that simple.

I, too, think JAX would be a good home for Tebow.  It consolidates the Tebow fanatics in the smallest possible regional distribution.  The city of Jacksonville would be a non-stop sea of Tebow jerseys, but most everywhere else would be Tebow free (as JAX's national fanbase is basically non-existent).

Excuse me,I've yacked all over my desk,the floor,my keyboard/mouse,monitor,my poor dogs...I can't stop ....at the thought of Tebow in Miami....

I'm going to say this,but it can be a positive or a negative depending on how you look at it...(Of the Cardinals,Broncos,and the Dolphins)

Negative - We just changed our coaching staff,and it makes us IMO,it's the hardest to take last year and extrapolate that into this year...Well our Defense was this,but Our defense is changing,and there are different coaches.....

Positive - Hey,We're all brand new,We can change quickly,we're not yet set in our way..

I'm not heartbroken if Manning doesn't Sign, I'm ok with Flynn,or I guess Tannenhill in the draft...(Weeden's Age scares me a bit)

The idea of Brady Quinn,Tim Tebow,or Kevin Kolb the cast offs from where Manning signs scare the hell out of me...

Those are my QB thoughts the day before free agency....

That made me stop throwing up,and start laughing....good one...

Denver is very similar to Miami, in terms of what we offer.

Basically, good defense, with an offense that needs improvement.

I, personally, think that Miami has a better offensive structure to work with.  Bush and Marshall must be attractive to a QB.

But Dener has, what, three times as much cap room to build the offense around Manning? Miami has enough for Manning +1. In Denver he could have a great D and the offense could be Colts 2.0. -EK

That's their cap room before cuts, which isn't a particularly relevant number.  In order to have a real picture of the cap, you need to know how much of your cap is devoted to players that you want/need to keep.

Bud Adams is trying to get in on the Manning-hype, according to Lombardi:

NFL sources tell me that the Titans are preparing for a Peyton Manning visit in the next day or two...

http://twitter.com/#!/michaelombardi/status/179267172835655681

Meanwhile, Dave Hyde of the Sun Sentinel is reporting that the Dolphins are not out of it:

Dolphin source confirms Peyton Manning is still considered a viable option for team - "We're not out of it," source said

http://twitter.com/#!/davehydesports/status/179251533035212801

ESPN reporting that Manning will meet with Philbin, but away from the team facility.

Which is not that big a deal since he's already worked out there previously and is familiar with it. They're also reporting he will meet with the Titans coach/coaches. The issue there is that he will not have made a decision by Tuesday (likely) and whoever he doesn't choose but were holding out for him may also lose out on Flynn. Miami could end free-agency with neither. -EK

I just get the feeling..(TOTAL SPECULATION by my redneck ass)

Meeting just with the coaches,makes me feel like Peyton is looking to see if Titans,and Miami, will make him be "the Guy" and be all in...The Cardinals will dump Kolb,if they sign Peyton,the rumors feel like the Broncos would dump Tebow.

Titans already have Jake Locker...Miami could take a QB with the 8th overall pick,trade down take someone in the 2nd,whatever.....I don't think Peyton wants to look over his shoulder at a young kid sitting on the bench...

again TOTAL SPECULATION by my redneck ass...

^^^ that doesn't make sense to me.

if he is worried about the composition of the roster, you would think he would want to talk with the gm.

Peyton *IS* the man no matter where he goes. And he knows it. He doesn't give a **** about what other qbs are on the team.

If he's meeting with just Philbin it's because he wants to know from the horse's mouth straight up how the offense is gonna be run & implemented and how much control he will have.

The GM isn't the one,that's going to pull him at halftime to play the kid,or if the fans turn on him to start playing the kid...


Exactly...

That's why I don't think we're gonna sign him...

Miami really has the potential to get seriously boned here.  Once free agency officially starts, Cleveland and Seattle are going to go after Flynn like an ex-convict at a brothel after a 20-year prison sentence.  If Miami is still waiting around for Manning at that point, it will take every ounce of pull that Philbin has to convince Flynn to even listen to Miami's offer.

There is a combination of factors that make this very perilous for the Dolphins:

1) the other teams that are still in the bidding for Manning (DEN, ARI, KC, maybe TEN) have no interest in Flynn
2) the remaining teams that are interested in Flynn (SEA, CLE) have no shot at Manning

The Dolphins are the only team that's trying to double-date.

This looks bad on our organization. When you think about it, even Dan publicly stated he wouldn't recruit him and they are friends. I have to wonder just what Dan did have to tell Manning.

I love this. Ross has learned nobody likes him and he haas no idea on how to close a deal. ha ha ha ha ha

Ireland will be at the meeting so maybe he will ask if Olivia was a hooker in her younger days!

Miami can get screwed royally I agree. To me they are dumb and haven't learned their lesson. If Houston is in play for him, everyone can go home because he will go there. Team is built to win it all and he can step in and just play.

The ONLY saving grace for Miami is that if Manning goes to Houston then Schaub can be had for a 3rd or 2nd round pick. If he goes to Arizona then Kolb is on the market and he is a west coast QB. Not great by any means, but better than Matt Moore.

If Miami likes Flynn enough I would sign him and bow out of this circus because now it has become a "Farve-like" circus with Peyton. I got a feeling he will drag this out for a while.

Maybe it's wishful thinking, but I'm starting to think the more we know, the more we don't know.

He didn't have anything to tell him. Dan's position was that he would like to see Manning in Miami but was wasn't going to proactively reach out to him. If asked he would speak though. That sounds like a perfectly good position to take.If I were Manning, I wouldn't want every team's former stars reaching out either. Have the real people in charge reach out to speak.

I'm actually not worried about not getting Flynn at all. Even as plan B in case we don't get Manning. We either get Peyton or we take Tannehill in the draft if he's there and I'm pretty sure he will be there. I'm not sold on Tannehill either, but I'd much rather take a flyer on him than on Flynn and what he's probably gonna cost. Maybe Philbin knows something I don't, but that could work against Flynn as much as for him.

If they don't like Tannehill then I'll take my chances with Moore and pick the best available at #8. I have zero desire to have Flynn.

I'd rather play Matt Moore another year than draft Tannehill.

I hope I am wrong, but I think Miami has no shot in hell.

Houston and Tenn have better rosters. If SF enters this derby they are better. Denver has more cap room and can sign Pyeton and all of his friends if they want.

Unless Peyton's wife just wants to stay in Miami year round and pushes Peyton that way I see no logical reason why Peyton picks Miami.

I didn't see that Dan said he would if asked.  Anyway .... you and I are friends. If you were Manning and Miami was a posibility I'd actively recruit you without ownership asking.

NFL Network tonight had 3 interesting tidbits

1) Jeff Darlington said Peyton likes Miami's roster but is underwhelmed by the front office structure

2) Michael Lombardi said the Dolphins have no shot of signing Manning

3) Michael Lombardi also said the Fins like Tannehill over Matt Flynn

1 and 2 I somewhat believe (as much as you can with these reports). 3 I would be careful about that might be a curveball to throw people off their beaten path with Free Agency starting and the draft a month away.

I wish media never existed.  It's starting to look more and more like pro-wrestling every day

Report today said Houston is in the mix now.

Houston's BEEN in it. Where have you been? Lol! -EK

Curve ball - Can Indy get back in?  Now that they cut him, it voided his contract, along with his huge roster bonus.  I wonder if Indy would jump in and try to get him back, could they?  Or would it revert to his old contract?

I think the Dolphins are more and more behind the 8-ball here with every day that goes by.  I blame Stephen Ross.

According to a Chris Mortenson tweet.
Peyton Manning met between 5 & 6 hours late today with #Dolphins coach Joe Philbin and other staff members in Indianapolis, per sources.


https://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/179397823035478016 (https://twitter.com/#!/mortreport/status/179397823035478016)

If we sign him,or we don't....We got to make some sort of pitch to Peyton himself,which is more than some teams got....

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Report-Texans-enter-Manning-derby.html

No they have not. They just got into it. This is why MikeO mentioned them in passing, because they were not officially in the hunt.

Miami got their face time which is all you can ask for. Hopefully things went well. 

At this point it seems pretty obvious they lied to reporters on porpoise.  Hopefull that is a good sign.

It's sad that the world has come to this. How can we continue freedom of the press but allow some sort of privacy ... but I guess that is another thread.

It doesn't bode well that Manning went to Denver and Arizona but the Dolphins brass had to go to Indy to meet with him.

Manning has ties to the staff in Denver and Arizona, so they were always obvious candidates.

It also has to be a factor that those two teams are from the two weakest divisions in league right now.

I posted last Tuesday that per the Mike and Mike radio show, not only were they in it, but everyone there thought they were the favorites to land him. You must have missed that. Houston interested in Manning is old news. -EK

We're not in this contest, Manning is meeting Philbin to tell him not to waste his time, let's get Flynn signed up and spend our 1st round pick on something useful rather than an a probably overrated QB who is soaring up the boards because people need a QB. (it's amazing how often positons of need like QB soar up the boards as we get closer to the draft!).

Slightly off tangent...lots of teams need a QB, limited supply of quality QB's availible (Manning, Flynn(?), Luck, RGIII) demand exceeds supply so the value of a QB goes up...

"draft gurus" (in inverted commas because i can't believe people actually make a living out of this!) notice this and start moving up the other QB (Tannehill) up their boards knowing that increasingly desperate teams will reach when there is no other option and wanting to look smart. BUT they can create a self fulfilling prophecy by reporting that the QB on the climb is showing attributes to warrant it (obviously sourced from anonymous "sources") and creating the frenzy themselves.

Seeing a QB's stock raising with the draft gurus, people start reporting the QB's stock is rising...but has the QB actually done anything to warrant it (other than being a QB in a demanding market!)

In short, don't draft Tannehill...at least not at No.8

It'll be very interesting to see what QB the team signs.

Philbin worked very closely with Matt Flynn and knows exactly what his strengths and weaknesses are in this offensive scheme.
Sherman coached Tannehill at A&M, and probably knows all there is to know about the kid.

I would trust their opinions on these two QBs.

Yes, they can get back in.  The league would treat the new contract under the rules of restructing a contract for cap purposes, not  a cut and new contract. I don't see that happening though. 

NFL Network reporting Titans/Peyton visit has been canceled

An INDY radio station reporting Miami is still in Indy meeting with Peyton today (take that report with a grain of salt)

NFLN: "Arizona Cardinals feel extremely confident Manning will sign"
ESPN: "Competition for Manning dead heat between Titans and Denver"

Other rumors include the Dolphins top meeting with Peyton in Indy (despite half the brass apparently being in Miami still) and the move to Denver a "done deal".

Yeah, not buying much. Everyone is just spouting crap and hoping "their" scoop comes out right side up.

Reports are Miami and Cleveland are talk with Flynn RIGHT NOW and are about to send contract proposals with Flynn's agent

Also, Kendall Langford talking to about 3 teams, none of which MIami. He is probably gone

Any "reports" that don't include Omar Kelly?

What "reports?" google news isn't pullin up anything of the sort. Links? -EK

Sun-Sentinel Omar Kelly posting news on his twitter as it is happening. It's a frenzy right now with so much stuff happening fast and furious.  Don't believe it if you want, really don't care!

Watching reporters twitting and filing stories on these rumors, most of which they appear to have started themselves...  wow, humorous indeed. A bunch of twits, if you'll pardon the lame pun.

Latest comical salvo is the whole Titans meeting Manning thing... So the meeting was cancelled... oh no, just moved to tomorrow... oh wait, it was tomorrow all along.

Makes for a long of "breaking" news, that's for sure.

WHY even entertain this  MANNING IS NOT , AND WILL NOT SIGN WITH THE Fins.  ??? ??? ??? ??? ::) ::) ::)

Jason Campbell to Chicago
Orton is visiting Dallas.

If Miami loses out on Flynn and Manning, its slim pickings for next season. Might want to trade this years draft picks for next years picks to load up for a chance to trade for Matt Barkley!

I'm not shedding tears over losing Marshall.  He was anti-clutch.  He seemed to only make big plays in games where we were winning big anyway.   ...and he used a lot of cap room.  And he ran his mouth and got stupid penalties.

IN this league, you only get one or two superstars on your team.  If those building blocks aren't excelling, get rid and find new.

Miami will probably sign Heisman winner Matt Leinart, who was cut by the Texans.  ::)

I like Von Miller's tweet:

"Mario and Manning = I will play this season for free, super bowls are priceless!!!"

http://twitter.com/#!/MillerLite40/status/180084695663513601

Manning spent a long time in Tenn. And the team doctor was there as well and showed up later in the visit. The only team doctor Manning met with out of all of his trips. Might be a sign. Might mean nothing.

I figure this has to end by Friday at the latest.

Michael Lombardi with the greatest report of all time on NFL.com

He says its down to Denver and Tennessee. Although his sources say Arizona and Miami are alive. So he is reporting against his own sources!

You can't make this sh*t up!!!

Forget going out on a limb. This guy refuses to acknowledge there is a tree. LOL

What's the difference? He wasn't supposed to meet with Miami at all, remember?  ::)  -EK

You are so right!  I read that report and was baffled at the complete lack of useful information.  How long before Lombardi is dropped?  This guy has zero to provide other than his own little opinion which in itself almost never proves to be true.

Ben Volin of the Palm Beach Post reporting Manning didn't want to meet with Miami. The fins called Marino, Marino called Peyton and asked him for a favor and to meet with the them, and Peyton gave the Fins an interview.

Sounds like a pity interview. He was never coming here. The initial report from the "tv experts" of Miami NOT getting an interview was 100% accurate. Miami needed to call Dan and have him ask for a favor/beg for Peyton to meet with Philbin/Ireland..etc