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Major scoopage! The Chicago Bears have agreed to terms of a trade w Miami for pro bowl WR Brandon Marshall in exchange for 2 third-rounders.

Via Twitter and Jay Glazer,and being reported on NFL network!
https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/179656346248036352 (https://twitter.com/#!/JayGlazer/status/179656346248036352)

I have no words..

Dubious....-EK

This really makes me want to quit this team. Our one consistent weapon on offense...

Ummm,  ok...

Well...looks like WR just became a priority in the draft


Manning AND Wayne or else this is already a joke of a season

With the Manning-Philbin meeting yesterday I wonder if this move with Marshall is to make more room for Manning and his cronies to move in.

Or giving up on Manning, ha ha ha.....

What a disaster. Great for the Bears though, as they are apparently pursuing another certain big name receiver from San Diego. -EK

Awful trade for the Dolphins....Marshall wasn't consistent here, but was the one big play threat they had down field. They better hit big on this draft.

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If we get Manning bc we got rid of Marshal I'm ok with it.

Sources say MikeO was behind this one.... -EK

I simply don't understand this. Trade away your best offensive player who is a solid number 1 receiver with tremendous physical gifts for two third rounders.

that might be the reason, Maybe Manning said he didn't want to play with Marshall with all his antics.

TWO.
F*CKING.
THIRDS.

Way to drive a hard bargain, Ireland!  It took you two years to turn two SECONDS into two THIRDS.  And this is directly off of a Pro Bowl MVP.

Best comment from the ESPN story...

"I think this is a bid by the Dolphins to join the Big East."

I wish I had the desire to look back and see how many people bad mouthing this are also the ones who were bashing Marshall during the season. I'm a bit indifferent. I think we can find another #1 receiver fairly easily.

Digging deeper in this trade:  Peyton was "weary" of playing with Marshall..so it appears Peyton's stoke is bigger than anyone could have imagined.  Now, you would have to assume that Miami is going all in on Peyton and friends.  (Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, etc).  Trading Marshall gives Miami an extra $12 million in space..now roughly $32 million under the cap.

I have read a couple of reports that say Manning had reservations about being on a team with Marshall. They either are making space for people that Manning is comfortable with or they have totally given up on getting him. Think about it for a second. Manning wants control. If he didn't want to play with Marshall and the team gets rid of Marshall. The team just gave him a shitload of control over the offensive scheme, if in fact that is what is going on here. If not, it could just be another clusterfuck brain fart by our FO........

 >:(      ???

Ha, ha, ha, a couple more trades, cuts, and restructures and we can sign the whole former Manning team.

Exactly:  Restructure Dansby, Bell, and Long's contracts and we can get Mathis and Melvin Bullet too!!

WHAT THE FUCK.......... >:(

I am seriously pissed about this......

I never wanted them to trade Marshall to begin with but if it had to happen why the hell couldn't Ireland get a better deal than two third round picks. I hope to god that this move was to solidify us getting Peyton otherwise we have no receiving corp and this team is fucked!!!!!

I am in shock....and depressed.....and angry all at once!!!!!

There better be more details coming out of the Dolphins because of this. How can you get rid of our top #1 guy for 2 thirds... This better be a great draft coming up.

YES...YES...YES!!! I love this news! This is a great day in Dolphins history!

Joe Philbin is about "HIGH CHARACTER" players. When it comes to character Marshall is less than zero! Throwing Matt Moore under the bus at the Pro Bowl was probably the last straw! Who the hell wants this guy as a teammate, answer: Nobody with any class or decency!

Let him go drop easy touchdowns and lose games for Chicago! The fact the best deal we could get was 2 third round picks tells you what others think of Marshall around the league. And they don't think much of him!

Thank you Ireland and Philbin! Thank you Miami Dolphins!! This guy wasn't worth a third of what he was getting paid and we open up a bunch of money now not to mention 2 third round picks!

I had to check the date to make sure this was not April Fool's Day.

What a ridiculous trade.  If they've got a plan that they need to implement and this is how they do it, that's fine, but...

ONLY getting two 3rd rounders for Marshall is ridiculous.  Regardless of whatever plan they might have, Marshall is worth more than two 3rds.  Sounds like someone got fleeced.  I don't believe for a second that's the best deal they could get.  More likely, it was the first offer.  

This is just plain stupid.  I was actually starting to feel good about this team again, guess that optimism was misplaced.

To be honest, this deal just killed my enthusiasm for the season.

If we keep Marshall and add Manning and Wayne, there's a potential for Greatest Show On Turf-type fireworks.  Without Marshall, even IF we get Manning and Wayne, this team has the approximate ceiling of the 2010 Colts.  BFD.

If we don't get Manning, I hope CLE gets Flynn.  Ireland cannot stay if he screws up this offseason as badly as it seems that he has.

Marshall makes a boatload of money and drops a ton of balls, 2 third round picks for him is fair market value! Stats don't always tell the story, Marshall isn't an elite WR but gets paid like one. 2 thirds for him is fair!

Unless this ends with Manning joining the team...

This could very easily be part of their plan on chasing Matt Flynn. Regardless of who the QB they try for, I don't think keeping Marhsall around for any of them would be a good decision.

Also, while two thirds may be a bit low, I think several of you seriously overvalue/undervalue things.

Vincent Jackson is going to Tampa.

You still got Wayne, Garcon, Manningham on the market.

And with extra picks maybe Miami try's to move up to get Blackmon. Minny is shopping the #3 pick

Do you know why I think two thirds is low?  Because Ireland paid two seconds for him.

Miami had the money free for Flynn already, this might be to try and free money for MARIO WILLIAMS! (just a hunch)

and they recognized it was a HUGE mistake and tried to get out from under that mistake ASAP! And they have done that. I got no problem knocking Ireland or anyone on the Fins, but I can't knock them for this trade. It's a fair trade. Marshall just isn't as good as some think. He can't be depended on, off the field he is a nightmare with stabbings and fighting with cab drivers, nobody will take on that HUGE contract AND give up high picks for a screwball WR who drops ball. Two 3rd round picks if fair, I'm sorry it is!

Garcon said on FB he's signing with the Redskins...Just thought I'd throw that out there....

I'm in the happy B.Marshall is gone, wish we could have gotten more.....

Touch...Dropped,Score!..oh wait he dropped it..Touchdown Miami....errr...No....Those are my Brandon Marshall memories... :(

Modfied to add: I guess Cutler/Marshall Twitter banter...There was actually something to it...My bad

I think the front office just found a way to keep us as the butt of all the "WTF" were they thinking jokes!  The whole Sparano/Harbaugh fiasco... and now "GIVING" Marshall away!  If Manning passes on Miami we're really going to look like the Keystone Dolphins!

I've never wavered as a Dolfan but, even i'm starting to have doubts about my team!!   I'm hoping Philbin has a plan using the pieces we have or this will be another ugly season! The only hope I have now is Philbin! Green Bay's receiving corps was not considered much outside of Donald Driver before Jennings stepped up... so maybe he sees something in the corps we have?

Two third round picks is a plan if you're trying to rebuild.  For a team that is trying to sign a 36-year-old QB and WIN NOW, what kind of RIGHT NOW return are you going to see from a 2013 third-rounder?  It's idiotic.

You'd be better off trading Marshall for players than for picks if you are trying to WIN NOW.  Hell, get Devin Hester and Johnny Knox.  That would have been a better deal than this horsesh*t.

I get that but do you honestly think Marshall warranted much more? The league leader in dropped passes with that high of a salary is not going to create that much demand. To really evaluate how this deal works out, you are going to need to wait and see what happens with the other draft picks and Marshall in Chicago. You can't evaluate it on what you gave up to get Marshall.

I'm not talking money. I'm talking about convincing Flynn to come here. I don't expect having Marshall on the roster is a great bargaining position for Peyton, nor a great developmental position for Flynn.

Eh ... I'm pretty indifferent right now. I was surprised we gave him up for two third rounders (considering he cost us us two seconds) but otherwise I hope this is a set up for something better. I can't help but feel something good will happen soon. I mean sooner or later we have to hit bottom and start going back up .. right?

Ireland is such a fucking douchebag.

I am nearly in tears, seriously.

The only way I can come out of this OK is with Manning and Reggie Wayne.  A major long shot!  We just got rid of our best player.

What about Matt Flynn and Mario Williams? Would it be ok then if we signed both of them? I'm just asking to gauge where people are at.

Because I think this is a case of one move setting up another big move.

Reports are Manning wasn't thrilled playing with Brandon. Flynn just wants his one big pay day he doesn't care who our WR's are. He loves the coach and wants to get paid, that is all he cares about concerning Miami.

LOL, tell that to Browns fans! LOL

Are you fucking kidding me.  Who is Flynn going to throw to?  Who gives a shit about a sack when your down in the score by 30 points?

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Hartline is our #1 receiver at the moment, think about that!

Free agency is 90 min old. Relax a bit..lol

There will be a lot of trades and a lot of moves! It isn't like we lost Jerry Rice!!!! We lost a guy who has led the NFL in drops since 2008

I give Mike credit for sticking to his "I hate Brandon Marshall"  campaign

Hell yeahhhhhhhh, ha ha haaaaaaaaaaaaa

The past 2 offseasons I have railed against Ricky and Brandon. Ricky went last year, now this year Marshall is gone! Things are looking up for my favorite team ! Life is good!

I guess to be the Dolphins GM, all you have to do is read GM For Dummies.  How else can you explain trading away one of the best offensive weapons on thus team coming off a Pro Bowl MVP year for less than you got him??  If the Dolphins fail to land Peyton Manning, then I'd have to assume Jeff Ireland's job is in jeopardy.

Well, I can see where he is coming from. From what I see on the reports everyone sees this as a good thing for Chicago. I've seen on ESPN people saying Manning was attracted to playing with Marshall and they didn't think it was a Manning thing in getting rid of him. Like I said until we see how this plays out it is kind of hard to really make a judgement although the general consensus is two thirds was probably cheap for him.  

Armando reported this deal was pretty much done at the combine a few weeks back. So, they just had to wait to today to announce it.

Another example of how erroneous the "tampering" rules are

This isn't tampering. GM's can talk trade of players under contract on their team

Oh really?..either way..don't care.  Goodell will change the rules tomorrow or something anyways.



Back to Marshall.  There's nothing really that great via free agency right now.  Vincent Jackson is going to Tampa, Garcon is going to Washington, Mario Manningham is a number 3 WR who will want number 1 money, Reggie Wayne would've been a great number 2 option.  I guess Miami's going to make a push for Blackmon now?


Just left a lot more questions than answers

At this point if I really wanted to sign Manning. I would be signing some of his ex team members as cheap as possible, ASAP !!!!

I am still stunned by how incredibly dumb this move was.  This team is on the cusp of filling its last major hole and somehow feels compelled to unnecessarily go out and create a brand new hole.  For two third round picks!

Maybe we can get Flynn and then spend the next 3 years looking for someone for him to throw to!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo-YVqV0v4Q

To Jeff Ireland:  Just when I thought you couldn't possibly be any dumber, you go and do something like this... and totally redeem yourself!

Brilliant move!  Just Brilliant!!!

Thats how ireland works.  He creates a hole, and then spends a draft pick to fill it (usually not as well), just so everybody can say, wow his drafts aren't that bad.  No, but if he didn't fucking create a hole, he could have used that same pick to fill an actual hole. 

Thank you for the transcript of the link I left haha

I expect that Ireland's next move will be to solve Miami's problem at RG by trading Jake Long for Jahri Evans.

THIS, in addition to the fact that he's a pro bowl receiver, is why the trade was beyond assanine. Who the f*ck wants to play QB for Miami when their best receiver is Hartline? Your personal obsessive hate for the guy aside, how can this trade be justified? For 15 years Miami had a decent run of reliable to great receivers and no one to throw the ball to them; now they have a shot to get a great QB, and he's left with no one to throw to. Make sense of that. -EK

Jeff Darlington reporting that Marshall never got along with Henne from day 1 and more went on behind the scenes than has been let out to the public and it has rubbed everyone in the organization the wrong way for 2 years. Which led to this move. New Coach, new start and they didn't want his attitude causing more trouble moving forward with whoever the QB is.

...what?

Miami's receiver history since the mid '90s was a bunch of roleplayers, washouts, and/or bums, plus the three following:

- O.J. McDuffie: comfortable old shoe that never made a single Pro Bowl
- Chris Chambers: had a one-year peak of "top 10 WR"
- Brandon Marshall: enough has been said

You can't remember back to 2009, when everyone was screaming that this team desperately needed a quality WR to replace The Ginn Family and that Henne couldn't possibly succeed because he had no one to throw to?

Henne has sucked since he got here, nothing wrong with Marshall pointing it out.

I think McDuffie was waaaaay under-rated, and between him and Chambers I stake my good/reliable, with the "great" going to Marshall. What's so puzzling about that? -EK

Agree, Miami has had some garbage WR's since Irving Fryar left really! lol That was a loooooooooooong time ago! Chambers had a good year or two. McDuffie was nothing special

Yes, Henne sucked and everybody thought that all he needed was a top notch receiver, so he got that and still sucked ass.  Then it was dan henning holding him back, so they axed him, and he still sucked ass.  henne has sucked since he got here, and ireland, sparano and the rest of the idiots thought he was good.

People all up in arms about Marshall...

Did we all watch the same WR last year?

I'm on board with MikeO on this one.  Marshall, and his production, will be easily replaced.  

BTW, this is exactly what I don't want to own jerseys with player's name.  Any one of you Marshall lovers want an Orange Marshall (authentic) jersey?

I can just see the fans in New York and New England smiling their asses off.

Even if we get Manning and Wayne, they have us beat.  We had a better chance with Moore and Marshal.  Wayne doesn't scare anyone without someone good across from him and no rookie is going to do that.

We are so screwed!

I think MikeO needs to take a trip up to Maine and smoke whatever you got, cause that is some good shit.

Like the famous book, When you ride alone, you ride with Hitler (lol)  I'm not riding alone anymore, someone agrees with me! LOL

We get draft picks
We get cap space
We lose a WR who drops a ton of balls
We lose a WR one strike away from a long NFL suspension per NFL player conduct rules

Still waiting to hear the downside! It's not like we just lost Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, or Larry  Fitzgerald! We gave up an above average WR making a boatload of money he wasn't worth!

Between 1998 (McDuffie's last productive year) and 2009 (Marshall's arrival), there were quite a few years where the production from the WR position was neither great nor reliable.

For the record: I am including McDuffie as a "reliable" receiver... just not after 1998.

Up in arms about Marshall because there's nothing on the market right now that can match Marshall's production.  You don't just "find" WR's that get you over 1,000 yards receiving.  In Mike-O's "pass happy league of today"  you need WR that at least pose a threat.  I love Hartline and Bess as much as the next guy, but they don't exactly strike fear into CB's minds.  Marshall was neither underrated nor overrated but in order for you to part ways with such a "headache,"  you need to have SOMETHING in line to replace him.


A 34 year old Reggie Wayne, Mario Manningham, and Eddie Royal don't exactly equal up.



X-Factor:  Everyone is saying Miami should "trade up" and get Justin Blackmon now....if we're going to do that...then just go after Mike Wallace

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/05/mike-wallace-can-be-yours-for-a-first-round-pick/

I don't care who the receiver is; rookie receivers take time to develop.  This sets us back 2-3 years.

Want to  buy my Brandon Marshall jersey?

Jumping the gun. Who said we are going the rookie route? Free agency is 3 hours old. Everyone needs to chill and wait and see how this plays out!

A #19 Dolphins Jersey. Between Ginn and Marshall it should be burned.

No Dolphins player should EVER wear that cursed number again

Exactly.  Marshall couldn't carry MegaTron's jock.  He isn't in the same league.  He's good.  The WR's you listed are GREAT.

Chill and wait and see how it plays out?  Are you new?  Is this your first day rooting for the Dolphins?

This isn't Parcells anymore with his outdated 1980's style of running a team. You have new blood working with Ireland making these moves. Philbin has won in this league and came from a place that did things the RIGHT WAY! I have faith in them till they prove me worng

Was referring to the Blackmon comment.  But free agency has nothing close to what Marshal offers.  Nobody in free agency demands rolled coverage more than 50% of the time, period.

You're not helping me much here, pal...geez!

Maine and Mike need a psych consult.  I can set you up with one if you consent.   ;D

You guys are delusional.

You're right, Parcells wouldn't have traded a number one WR with not a clear replacement in sight

wow, thank God someone else agrees with me. McDuffie was a pretty good possession receiver and nothing more. One 1000 yard year and no probowls. The other day I cringed when I heard Sid Rosenhause say that McDuffie was a better player than Clayton and Duper.  ::)

Clayton and Duper were above average NFL WR's.  McDuffie was a solid role playing WR. Much like a Davone Bess these days. Nice player, love to have him on your team, but not a guy opponents feared

The best free agent WR available is Vincent Jackson, who is not as good as Marshall (and isn't exactly Teammate of the Year either).

Getting a WR better than Marshall would require a trade.  So who can you get (that is, again, better than Marshall) for two f'ing third round picks?  Mike Wallace (arguably a sidegrade; they have different skillsets) will cost you a first.  Anyone else will cost more than that.

This was a dumb move.  If it was needed to sign Manning, I can accept it as unfortunate but necessary.  If it's not for Manning's sake, Ireland's time in Miami needs to be ended.

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we value Marshall differently so we will never agree. You have Marshall as this top WR in this league. I don't. So in your eyes replacing him is impossible. In mine its not. It's all good, we will just never agree on this issue and that is why.

Nobody said Marshall was a top WR nor impossible to replace....

LOL. I hadn't seen your link when I posted that.

This is a great move for 3 reasons.

1) It creates more cap space. This is the biggest reason for this trade. Now what they do with the cap space remains to be seen so they could still screw this up, but I like the move regardless.

2) It brings in 2 more draft picks. I'm a firm believer in building from the draft. Again, they actually have to do something with the picks so it's only potentially good, but again I'm on board.

3) It gets rid of a diva receiva. We can argue all day about how valuable Marshall was to the Dolphins, but what you can't argue about is that he had lots of off field issues. If it makes the Dolphins even just a bit more attractive to Peyton or other free agents, I'm all for it.

I didn't hate Marshall, but he wasn't everything that we thought he would be either. I think they did pretty well getting 2 3rd round draft choices for him considering we gave 2 2nd round choices and he did a hell of lot more for Denver than he ever did for us.

Some of you all are BIG Hypocrites>>> ::) Many of you BASH Marshall  year after year for dropping balls, talking shit, etc etc. Many of you WANTED THIS to happen.  Many of you wish they would trade this BUM, and now that he gone MANY of you saying ohhhhh WHY TRADE the BEST offensive Threat. LOL  wow.    I dont believe what threads i am seeing from many of you.

Fine.  So who can you replace him with for 2 third round picks?

This is my point.  Even if you personally aren't impressed by Marshall, he is CLEARLY better than anyone Miami could get from another team for 2 third-rounders, so trading is obviously not the solution.  As far as free agents go, Wallace will cost a first, and 1 pick at the end of the first round is more valuable than any 2 picks in the third round.  Furthermore, trading your best receiver before you have a replacement for him is reckless.

On its face, it's a dumb move, no matter how you slice it.  The only redeeming feature it could have is, "Peyton Manning told us to get rid of him," and you could apply that same logic to any player (or coach!) on the team.

I've supported him throughout, wish him well, and think this was a horrible, bad, no good, crap move. -EK

I don't know, we'll find out. We didn't just get 2 3rd round picks though, we also freed up a lot of cap space. Maybe we don't get a receiver to replace Marshall, but perhaps we get a better QB and perhaps a decent WR and a decent DE or something along those lines. You don't have to do a straight WR for WR swap to come out ahead. I still firmly believe that we could come out ahead on the deal. I don't know that we will, but I think it's well within the realm of possibility. We just have to wait and see how it all shakes out. Right now I'm on board. Come September it may be all for naught.

Darlington, Lombardi, and La Canfora are all reporting (mostly on NFL Network) that there was a lot of Marshall drama behind the scenes in Miami last year that wasn't reported or widely reported. More than him just punching Vonte and throwing Matt Moore under the bus on NBC after the pro bowl. Other drama he had with other players.

This trade was made for multiple reasons, not just 1

I call BS.  1st of all, where were the major reports earlier.  Awefully convenient now.  Marshall only ripped Henne after their 1st year together when he said Thigpen "got it".  He praised Henne all off season and beyond.  The probowl was not quite "throw under the bus material".  He just said that he was happy to have great QBs throwing him the ball.  A meeting with an injured Manning is no better than that.

I watched what Darlington, Lombardi and LaCanfora said and nothing was definitive about their comments.  They were speculating. 

Lastly, everyone knows Vontae has a big mouth. 

Doesn't mean you can punch teammates and get away with it. Marshall is a lockerroom cancer. Was in Denver. Was in Miami.

Why do you keep harshing on "for 2 third round picks" like Miami traded Marshall for a conditional 7th rounder and a practice squad punter?  Two 3rd round picks are very valuable.

I would like to point out that Miami traded two second round picks to get Marshall.  When they did that he was coming off three consecutive 100+ catch seasons at 1,325 yards (7 TDs), 1,265 yards (6 TDs) and 1,120 yards (10 TDs).  Two years in Miami he's never caught more than 90 passes.  Has a combined 9 TD catches. He's gone over 1,000 yards in both years.

GOOD numbers.  NOT great.  And Miami is getting TWO 3rd round picks for him.  You would think they got Trent Green for him the way you continue to rail against the "for 2 third round picks."  Not getting that.  Miami got a good haul for him AND unloaded a huge contract.  Win/win.

I'm already completely sick of this discussion.



Wake me up in September when Matt Moore is looking left to Brian Hartline and right to Davone Bess....because THAT'S the Miami front office we all know and love.


I guess when Ross wanted the "next Don Shula"..he was referring the mid 90's

I don't entirely agree with the trade, but I'll go with it and trust the front office.  Aside from getting two 3rd rounders, freeing up cap space, and getting rid of someone that can disrupt the locker room, MIA has opened up the possibility to address multiple holes in the lineup, however, they probably won't be at the talent level of Marshall.  I'll wait a little while before I pass judgment.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1103100-the-3-biggest-winners-and-losers-of-brandon-marshall-dolphins-bears-trade


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Since the team now has 2 starting WR positions to fill, I'm assuming this means that Justin Blackmon's stock has risen significantly for the Dolphins.

Would he even want to play for the Dolphins after the way Dez Bryant was treated by Ireland?  I'm sure Bryant will offer his 2 cents to Blackmon.

Great Point.   If Miami is going to use a first round pick on Blackmon, why not just use that same first round pick on Mike Wallace?!

Mike Wallace is a very good WR, but I think Blackmon has the potential to be one of few elite.  Potential being the key word.

Reggie Wayne signed a 3 year deal to stay in INDY

So now we go all in on Mario Manningham right? 

agree

$h1t!!

The only way this deal makes sense is if Manning and Wayne were lined up, now Wayne has re-signed with the Colts.  Maybe we can get Leinart and TO.

...to a team that's rebuilding, not for a team that's attempting to sign a 36-year-old starting QB.

If this team is trying to win now (which is the entire point of signing Manning), you don't get rid of the best skill position player on your team.  It makes no sense unless you get a HUGE payout.  This is the kind of deal you take when you are trying to get something for a player because he's got one year left on his contract and something is better than nothing.

It's not like Miami is NO and had to choose between Colston, Moore, Meachem, and Henderson.  Miami just blasted a gaping hole in their WR corps.  The Dolphins need to sign Reggie Wayne just to have a decent group of WRs. scratch that: the 2011 Dolphins are screwed at the WR position, period.

Damn you to hell for typing this.  LOL ;D

Dolphins are trying to sign WR Laurent Robinson

Not a bad pickup.  Would be an upgrade over Hartline, but with Marshall gone, it's not enough.

Lol Dallas to Miami pipeline continues!!

Smart move. I'll say it again. He's was the most productive WR on the Cowboys last year. Not the most talented, just the most productive.

Nice.  We can get the dropped third receiver from Dallas to replace Marshal.  Now we are a lock for the playoffs!  ::)

Robinson had 11 TD's in Dallas last year

Marshall's 2 years in Miami he had 9 total TD's

Romo > Henne/Moore


PLUS:  Robinson was their slot WR..doesn't command anywhere as much attention as Marshall did

Completely misleading stat. If Romo had been throwing Brandon the ball he would have had more. Just curious- when he blows up in Chicago are you going to eat your words? -EK

Miles Austin missed a lot of time, 6 games,, Robinson got attention.

Laurent Robinson was huge for Dallas last year.  I have no problem with him coming to Miami.  BUT...who else is coming?  There are at least 2 slots to fill on the starting roster.

Maybe that person will come in 2013 with a mid 3rd round draft pick.

don't care what he does in Chicago. I am a Dolphins fan.

It was said best tonight by one radio host in Miami....Marshall was traded simply because he was an asshole!

The stabbings, ripping up subpoena's in court, getting brought to police stations for fighting with cab drivers, punching Vontae Davis, going in Sporting News saying the Dolphins offensive gameplan sucked, proclaiming to be thrown out of the Jets game and get in a fight wanting to be ejected, throwing Matt Moore under the bus at the pro bowl, not getting along with Henne.....it was one thing after another.

Marshall left Denver on bad terms
Marshall left Miami on bad terms
He will not change and will be a cancer in Chicago!

Marshall is TO 2.0! He will wear out his welcome in EVERY city he goes to and will be a distraction, cancer, and nut-job.

Thank god Philbin and Ireland ran this clown out of town! It was long overdue!

Unless Robinson's YPC is in the 50s, it won't matter how many TDs he caught in DAL, because Miami's offense will be fizzling out before they even get close enough for a FG.  Which Marshall's 1200 receiving yards kind of help with.

Also: it's a lot easier to get open when Miles Austin and Dez Bryant are on your team.

The stabbings and subpoenas were a result of his wifes actions, not his.  Vontae Davis got what he deserved for showing up to an important practice hung over.  And Henne and Moore both sucked as quarterbacks.

It is ok guys. I figured it out. We are trying to get the #1 overall pick in next years draft. Who will we be sucking for this year?

I think it's worth noting that Brandon Marshall made it to a Pro Bowl with both CHAD FUCKING HENNE and Matt FUCKING Moore throwing to him.  He deserves a bronze star, not a trade.

Man everyone is freaking out about this.  Ya, I don't think he should have been traded for two 3rd rounders, but I also see how much of a diva he was.  I don't like the trade, but some of you are acting like someone killed your dog.  If you ask me, the cons just barely outweigh the pros in this trade, so it isn't enough to get your panties in a wad over.  We did get some value from him after all.

No, we didn't.  We got 2 2nd day picks in consecutive years.  This is a bad deal by any standard.

In regards to the trade value, ask yourself this:

Is Marshall more valuable or less valuable than when we acquired him 2 years ago?  I say less...by a lot.  He underperformed expectations and had a host of off-the-field crap.

The trade value THEN was two 2nd rounders.
So, it makes total sense to me that we got two 3rds.

Trading picks isn't like it used to be.  Moss was traded in his prime for a 2nd rounder.  When you have issues, you aren't worth top dollar to the rest off the league.

Here's my problem with it: this is the move of a team that is rebuilding.  So basically, in the last 24 hours, I have went from thinking:

"If we get Manning and Wayne, this team will have an elite offense and be a championship contender"

to

"The front office gave up on this season less than 1 hour into free agency"

Robinson only played in 14 games and only started 4 of them. Robinson can play anywhere, not just in the slot. If we picked him up he'd become our #1 WR without question. Would he be better than Marshall? I don't know, probably not, but he'd probably keep his mouth shut rather than trying to get kicked out of games.

Thank heavens the Dolphins season doesn't ride on your opinion.

5 of his 11 TD's were when Austin was hurt and on the bench and he had 2 over 50 yard TD's.  Keep trying.

At this point, I'd trust Spider over Jeff Ireland any day of the week and twice on Sunday.

I think that is missing the point by a long shot.  The question should not be what is he worth then compared to now; if NE traded Wes Welker for a 2nd and a 6th tomorrow (having originally paid only a 2nd to get him), that would be a horrible deal for the Patriots.

The question should be, what will it cost you to replace this player?  Again, it's not like his contract was expiring soon and Miami had to make a choice between getting something or nothing.  If you simply do nothing then guess what?  You still have a top ten, multiple-Pro Bowl WR.

I don't know what all the doom and gloom is about. This is the most excited I've been about something the Dolphins have done since...well since they traded for Marshall. LOL

I don't know how this is all going to turn out, y'all might be right, but on the other hand I think ya'll are giving Marshall WAY too much credit. I'd like to see what they do with the salary cap space and the 2 extra picks before declaring the trade a failure.

Anyone else hear about this? It's the first I've heard about it,and it was posted by Jay Glazer's twitter account...(using Twit longer)
Statement from Brandon Marshalls Attorney Harvey Steinberg regarding Club incident:

"On March 12,2012 Brandon Marshall was the key note speaker at a charitable event in New York. After the event was over he, his wife and close friends attended a function at a local club.
While at the function a fight broke out NOT involving Mr. Marshall or his friends. While attempting to leave to avoid the melee Mrs. Marshall was struck in the face by a thrown bottle. She suffered serious injury.
While attempting to leave and take his wife to the hospital, the mayhem continued outside. Finally Mr. Marshall was able to take his wife to the hospital where she was treated for serious injuries.
Mr. Marshall is hoping to assist authorities in regards to this matter."

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gdqa1o (http://www.twitlonger.com/show/gdqa1o)

Must be a strange day in the Marshall house today...Honey,I hope you feel better...We're moving to Chicago,I've been traded to Chicago to be with my boy Jay!

Pappy13, before I respond to your post, let me point out two things.

1) Laurent Robinson is not a member of the Miami Dolphins. This would seem to be a moderately important detail in a discussion that presumes that he can make up for the offensive production of the receiver that Miami just traded.  You see, if you are an intelligent GM, and you have plans to swap out your #1 receiver, what you should do is sign the free agent receiver you want BEFORE you trade your existing one away! It's not like Brandon Marshall is going anywhere, since he's still under contract!  Even if you wanted to make this deal, why would you make it in the first 5 minutes of free agency?  What, do you think CHI is going to take their offer for 2 third-rounders off of the table if you don't pull the trigger immediately?  It's idiotic.

2) Laurent Robinson is a free agent.  As you should recall from earlier experiences dealing with free agents (and by "earlier" I mean this morning), free agents can choose which teams they do and do not want to play for.  There is no guarantee whatsoever that Robinson even WANTS to play for a team that hasn't had an established QB in over a decade.  And based on my recent memory, I believe wide receivers occasionally do realize that the person throwing them the ball matters.

Now that we have established that any talk of how well Robinson will replace Marshall is pure, unadulterated wishful thinking, I will address the substance of your reply:

How many of those TDs did he catch as the #1 receiver on the field?  You know, the receiver that the opposing DC specifically gameplans to eliminate.  Because this would be his role in Miami.  (spoiler:  the answer is zero)

I have seen nothing to indicate that Laurent Robinson is not the next Alvin Harper, Az-Zahir Hakim, or Steve Breaston.  There's a huge difference between being the #3 and being the #1.

I didn't say he was. I said I'd like to see him be a member of the Dolphins and oh by the way I said it in February.

The decision had been made. Marshall didn't fit the Dolphins anymore. It's obvious that Philbin and company were going a different direction, to a more west coast offense, so they figured they could find someone cheaper than Marshall and get a couple draft picks in return. Chicago clearly wanted to see Marshall in a Bears uniform. The deal made sense for everyone involved. Heck maybe the Bears started at a single 3rd round pick and the Dolphins finally got the Bears to agree to two 3rd round picks and Chicago said they weren't gonna give a single thing more. That wouldn't shock me a bit.

So where did I say that Robinson WAS coming to Miami? I said I'd like to see them do that deal. I said it in February. I'm saying it again now. That would be true regardless of whether or not Marshall was here or not, so stop putting words in my mouth. I'm not saying that trading Marshall AND getting Robinson is a good move or that Robinson will replace Marshall, I'm saying that trading Marshall for 2 picks and saving his salary cap space was a good trade or at least has the potential to be a good trade. Robinson is also a good move in my opinion if it happens.

This has NEVER been a part my thinking, you just put 2 and 2 together in your head and made the assumption that's what I was thinking. It never was.

Fair enough, but he still caught more TD's in Dallas in 1 year than Marshall did in 2 in Miami. I'm sure he won't come here and catch 11 TD's as Miami's #1, but could he maybe catch 5 or 6? Yeah I think he could. Guess we'll never know. :)

EXACTLY. YOU haven't seen it. Well I watched most of the Cowboys games this year or at least caught parts of all of them and Robinson was the best WR that Dallas had by the end of the year. Better than Dez Bryant and better than Miles Austin (even though Bryant was supposedly Dallas' #1 and Austin their #2) the last couple of games. Ask anyone who watched Dallas through the end of the season. Tony Romo was looking for him over both Bryant and Austin near the end of the season. Most everyone in Dallas knew it or believed it, I'd be willing to bet that a few defenses knew it or believed it too.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

This is exactly how I felt. Unless something big happens, it seems like a waste already. No QB, no #1 WR, no nothing. I'm curious to see what their plan is, but knowing the people in charge, I doubt there really is anything exciting in the works.

This is EXACTLY how I feel.  Last year's team + Manning would be exciting.  Last year's team less Marshall who, for all his drops, still posted an 80 catch, 1,200 yard year, and I'm not so excited.  Now I'm "eagerly" awaiting the drafting of our first-round RT.

Basically, I went from my usual optimistic outlook to how so many of you constantly feel.  I liked optimism better.

You're missing out on a big part of my explanation -- that Marshall's stock has depreciated since we picked him up.  Welker has far outplayed his trade cost, thus his trade value would have to go up considerably to match.

Do any of you who are bashing the ineptitude of the organization for trading Marshall feeling the need to eat a little bit of crow after the new report that Marshall slugged a woman?

I have defended Marshall consistently throughout his stay in Miami. After hearing the report about the assault claim, I have done 180 on the trade. It seems likely that he will be suspended for the year. I'd rather have two third round picks than nothing because he's suspended. -EK

I will absolutely eat crow on this one if the report is truly valid and Marshall is to blame for the situation.  It sucks, but I would still have no choice but to man up and eat it.

If Marshall gets suspended, I will happily retract all my statements about the stupidity of this trade.

One thing about Marshall --

Even if it's not true, there's still "smoke".

I don't believe that you are guilty by default, but I believe that if you're the kind of person who continues to find yourself in precarious situations, that you are likely at least partially responsible.

My bigger problem is that Miami hasn't been relevant in a decade, save for one Wildcat-driven season, and yet they still only have $15 million in cap space after unloading Marshall. Where is all their money going? A team that consistently finishes 7-9 or 6-10 or even worse, should have tons of cap space or it's a clear indication that someone in charge (ie, Ireland) is spending far too much on players who are not- in any way- returning on the investment. Denver won 8 games and a playoff game last year with a QB that didn't throw the ball, and a bunch of no-names on offense, and they STILL have $38 million to play with under the cap! How is Miami's leadership so inept??? -EK

It's the age old question of is it the players or is it the coaching? If you look at the Dolphins, they seem to have some talented players on the roster, so the question is why are they not performing on the field?  Are they not really as talented as we believe they are or is the coaching staff not finding ways to really use that talent? Or perhaps the players really are that talented and the coaches are designing good plays, but it's execution that is sorely lacking.  And if it's the execution, who's to blame for that? Is that on the players or is it on the coaching staff?

Those ARE the questions that Tony Sparano struggled with last year and said he didn't have any answers. Now we get to find out if Joe Philbin is any better at finding out the answers to those questions.

After sleeping on this and getting passed my initial anger generated by this trade......

I still think this was a stupid move. Regardless of the drops he still posted great numbers and was an offensive threat. With no back-up already in place I scratch my head at this trade and wonder what kind of hole this puts an already offensively challenged team in. If, and this is a big if.......he gets convicted and suspended for the alleged incident then fine I see why you make this move but at this point it is nothing more than speculation. It would be one thing if Ireland had a history of making great deals but right now I am really, really worried about what the offense will look like. Right now they are worse off than they were last year and I am not seeing a while lot of promise on the open market.

Scratching my head........ ???

Laurent Robinson got a 5 year deal with Jax. Cross him off the list

Looks more and more like Miami will turn to WR in the draft:  Marvin McNutt and Nick Toon could be good options  (and the 2 best names in the history of sports)

They're no Coco Crisp, but those are fun names.  I wonder if Nick is related to Al.