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WOW! The one-in-a-million talent is going to back-up the guy coming off his best year ever when he had 20+ turnovers total last season.

The league hasn't seen a righty-lefty QB tandem like this since Montana-Young!


All of a sudden Moore/Gararrd isn't looking so bad...lol. Sparano back to his wildcat roots. I wonder if he can talk the Jets into giving us their 3rd round pick in return for Carpenter. He can then have his favorite FG kicker to fist pump too as well in the swamps of New Jersey!

Wow, Mike. You truly have a gift for sarcasm.

So am I going to hell for hating the Jets now?

You won't be alone! lol

But if we lose Carpenter, how are we going to score?

The good news is the Jets now have two sucky QBs. The bad news, I can just see them beating us with some kind of fourth quarter bullshit Wildcat play from Tebow.

Just like the Broncos did? I don't know if that's going to happen or not, but a good measuring stick of what the offseason did will not be the numerous "Miami sucks because they didn't get a QB," but instead how much the defense improves its fourth quarter play with the additions and subtractions as well as the ne scheme. If the team can close out games on that side of the ball, Philbin's offense doesn't need to drop the kinds of numbers they did in GB. And yes, I realize he's the coach not the OC, but he's the one implementing the new system. -EK

With Tebow going to the Jets, is there anyone that doesn't think that Pat White was a Sparano pick now?  He loves these types of QB's and is convinced he can win with them. Good luck with that Tony.  >:D

I was doing backfilps yesterday when I heard he was going to the Jets.....this is going to be a trainwreck and it couldn't have happened to a better team.....Suck it Jets!!!!!  ;D

Tebow won last year when everyone said he couldn't.  I wouldn't want him to be our QB for obvious reasons but I also would never count him out until he is out. It's not like he was the favorite in any of his other victories.

His arrival has already divided the lockeroom in New York.  As expected. This is great!

How did a Tebow post get turned into bashing the Dolphins defense?? LOL LOL  But to answer, actually no its the QB and the offense that is all that matters next season. The defense being at the top in league in fewest points allowed (6th) isn't a huge issue facing this franchise currently. Especially with its core coming back in tact. It's all on the offense and actually converting in the redzone and NOT settling for field goals.

It's about the offense not turning the ball over on the 2 yard line like vs Dallas or inside the 20 like vs NE and Philly and losing games for the team.Matt Moore must protect the ball and not LOSE games for us. Or like in the Giants game where he led the team to a LOSS  with a  4th quarter to forget. Leading the offense to a whopping 4 yards and 1 fist down the ENTIRE 4th quarter and hung the defense out to dry.

If Moore is the starting QB in 2012, Miami ain't winning more than 6-8 games again probably. And it has nothing to do with the defense, Miami's defense is light years better than the Packers, Pats, Giants, and some of the other elite teams last year. They just don't have an offense anywhere in the same solar system as those teams.

I hope Cromartie and Tebow "room together" on the road! lol

Talk about an odd couple!

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After seeing Cromarties tweets yesterday I couldn't agree more!!!!

Even better. He rooms with Santonio Holmes. They strike up quite the friendship. Thus, by week 3 Santonio demands that Tebow become the starting QB. Oh the media shit storm that would ensue.

It has EVERYTHING to do with defense. I get that, for some reason, you truly and honestly believe that being 6th in points allowed is some sort of achievement when your team as a whole goes 6-10. I wish you'd stop spouting that stat wihtout the entire perspective though. They might have been 6th in the league, but in the fourth quarter, they were 27th overall, and dead last in the AFC, That's freaking HORRIBLE. 27th? Are you kidding me? If the defense was truly as good as you keep wanting them to be, they'd allow a field goal once in a while and not give up an average of over a TD in every game in the fourth. Blame the offense for field position all you want, but the D is what should be keeping people out of the end zone at least once in a while. -EK

Yeah because the offense sucks!

Not when the offense lets the opponent start at the 2 yard line or inside the 15 yard line on a somwehat consistent basis.

I can see it now.

Rex:  ALRIGHT MOTHERFUCKERS, IT'S TIME TO GO PLAY SOME FUCKING FOOTBALL!!!  TEBOW, YOU THROW THAT FUCKING BALL LIKE YOU'RE SLINGING SHIT OFF YOUR FUCKING HAND!!!!

Tebow:  Please don't speak that way to me, coach.  It is very offensive to me and the Lord God.

REX: WHAT THE FUCK DID HE JUST SAY?

Tebow:  Excuse me fellas, I'm going to go pray for our coach.

Tebow told reporters on a late night conference call he's excited to play for brash head coach Rex Ryan.

“I wanted to play for Coach Ryan ever since I saw ‘Hard Knocks,'" Tebow chuckled..."He just seemed like a coach who loves football and is passionate about the game of football. He’s definitely a players’ coach. I just love that about him.”

But how about Ryan's foul mouth?

"There’s not many NFL locker rooms you’re going to go where you have the cleanest language, so I’m not too worried about that.”
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This royally sucks. 

I really like Tebow.  Both as a player and as a person.  In Denver except for an odd game or two a year, I could root for him to be successful, as a Jet, I have to root against him every game. 

The Tebow signing won't even be officially completed until Saturday afternoon, where's all the vitriol about the Jets GM missing out on the $5m pmt to the Broncos??  If Ireland did that you guys would be torching him, but not a word about.

That was my idea of a joke.  Here's another.

Tebow to Antonio Cromartie:  Hey Antonio, the Bible says to be fruitful and multiply but you gotta put the brakes on it and settle down with one woman.

1) Why would you think anyone here would care about the Jets' GM being an idiot?
2) The Jets' GM is also an idiot (for the Tebow trade period, but also for missing the $5m) .  Happy now?

So because the Jets GM is also an idiot I am supposed to feel better that Ireland is a fool?

Also, the Jets GM was probably FORCED to make this move by his owner and was probably trying to sabotage it himself with that "mistake". Woody Johnson FORCED Tannembaum to get Farve when nobody on the football side of operations wanted him. Many in NY think this is the same deal

They're worried about Tebow getting in trouble in the big apple? 

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/jets-reportedly-want-tim-tebow-live-jersey-avoid-213915630.html'

Seriously?  He is the one guy on their roster they don't have to worry about. 

Unless he gets in a fight with a priest over what scripture is going to be read at Sunday mass, I really don't think the Jets have to worry

Forget about Tebow mania for a second and just look at why they brought Tebow in and see if it makes sense. According to the Jets, they had a lot of 3 and out's last year, which is true, so they figure they can bring in Tebow to change things up a bit if they struggle and perhaps jump start the offense. Now for a reality check. Who was the WORST BY FAR QB in the league last year for 3 and out's? Tebow. So you're going to jump start your offense with him? I don't see it.

How many "BACK-UP QB's" get a press conference when they are traded....lol

Yeah, he is just a back-up! Woody wanted attention and a circus atmosphere, well he got it!

You forget who the OC of the Jets is now?  Yes, the same doofus who drafted Pat White in the 2nd round.  Look for a wildcat reincarnation with Tebow in 2012.

Its only a wildcat when a RB or WR is taking the snap. With Tebow back there its just playing your back-up QB and putting him in a shot-gun formation

That's the way I see it

Well it kinda morphed into that but originally the wildcat was defined by the unbalanced line where you take one tackle and put him on the same side as your other tackle and have a RB in motion to that side. That's where the wildcat started and where it had it's most success with Ricky Williams and Ronnie Brown being a dual threat.  I don't see that being used much and you're right that it's basically just become the QB running the ball which has never really worked that well. Pat White was horrible both running and passing.

Yeah, the "wildcat term" has seemed to morph into anything that doesn't involve the QB throwing the ball or handing it to a running back.  What Tebow does isn't the 2008 Dolphins wildcat, but something that is typically called a "quarterback sneak"  or "extending the play with his feet" and plays a style similiar to Micheal Vick.  Nor is the what the Dolphins did in 2008 something never done in the NFL before.  Teams had done it before, the Dolphins just did it with greater regularity (multiple times in a single game vs. once or twice a season) and gave it a name. 

To me, two huge components of Wildcat are:
a) having a running threat in shotgun behind an unbalanced line
b) normal QB split out wide

Tebow, although he is a QB, could run this style of offense.

What's more likely is that Tebow would run a simple OPTION offense. No unbalanced line, no quarterback split wide. Just a simple college-style option offense.

Brian has a good point though. You could actually put Tebow in at QB and still split him out wide, not take the snap. He's a good enough athlete that you would actually have to respect that player going up field. You could also then put him in motion and get him the ball and he becomes a throwing or running threat.

There's lots of different ways to use Tebow, I don't disagree with that, I just don't think it's effective enough to make an offense out of it or to bring in a guy with the skills that Tebow has to justify trading for him. If it were more effective or you just happened to have Tebow on your team and were looking for ways to utilize him, that makes some sense.

I am not so sure Sparano was the one behind Tebow coming to the Jets. 

How I read this is: Rex Ryan was quite impressed with what the Dolphins did in 2008 on offense and what the Broncos did last year and unhappy with Brian Schottenheimer conservative and predicatable offense.  So he brought in Tony to create a more creative offense and Tebow to give him the tools to be quite creative. 

While I wish neither of them success, I think it is a great move on the Jets behalf. 

This is how I feel.

I shit on Tebow quite regularly.  And since he's not a Jet, I assume I will do it even more.  ...but man, I really respect the way that he's handling this whole thing.

He said that he's in it to help the team, in any capacity that he's asked.  He will always work towards an expanded role, but do you want someone on your team that doesn't?  The guy has the right attititude to play in the league, that's for sure.  I just don't think he has the tools to play the QB position.