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As I was reading several recent articles, the following scenario occurred to me:

The front office may have come to the realization very early on that they were unlikely to land Manning, that they weren't going to make a strong push for Flynn, and they weren't going to trade up for RG3... in other words, that they were not going to make a serious move to address the QB position.  This decision would have two ripple effects:

1) whichever journeyman QB they throw out there is unlikely to produce a career season for Marshall, so his trade value (as a Dolphin) is at or around its ceiling
2) Marshall, having already expressed frustration with the lack of upgrades at QB, is even more likely to engage in shenanigans when it turns out that his general for the 2012 season is Matt Moore, David Garrard, Alex Smith, etc.

Therefore, based on the regime's (questionable) decision to do nothing at QB, it only made sense to get rid of Marshall right now for as much as they can get for him.  Many of us looked at the Marshall trade as the first salvo in blowing up the team and giving up on 2012, but in fact, it may have been the last domino in the decision making process.

It was reported that the the main reason for the trade was the new coaches felt they couldn't implement the new offense they want to with Marshall and all his "on the field baggage." Like  yelling at Quarterbacks on the sideline, yelling at coaches on the sideline, throwing the WR coach under the bus in the media like he did last year, calling out the  offensive gameplan in the Sporting News and all of that stuff.

And smacking women around in night clubs.

and dropping more TD's than he caught

and the 11 million dollar price tag

Haven't you heard? Ross wants to win NOW!

Wow, I'm impressed Spider.

They were already shopping him before this happened, so that's not a valid excuse.

Marshall still caught more TDs than anyone else on this team.  If someone who drops 7+ TDs still leads your team in TDs, what does that say about the state of the rest of your receiving corps?

This is probably the most accurate point.

If a 6'4" wideout with great run after the catch skills (the run people over kind) somehow doesn't fit your scheme, which is designed for big wideouts (at least it seems like the big WR is always the linchpin of the west coast offense), then I have to say his departure must have been a "we're sick of your act" move, plain and simple.

I agree that his value today is probably as high as it will be, given he'll soon be 28 and he's a headache and he's got less than stellar QBs throwing his way.

The initial outrage on this board over the low value recieved for the trade reminds me of the intial posts I saw on the Patriots board regarding the trade of Moss for only a third.  In time it became apparent that such a trade was actually a very good deal for the Patriots, even though there was quite a bit of outrage over it when it was first announced.

Time will tell here too, if the Dolphins made the right move or not.

My understanding is that Marshall struggled in the mental aspects of his position.  He relied so heavily on physical ability that he supposedly would ignore the proper pre or post snap read and go for the route he wanted.  This isn't so good for the kind of offense we are installing.

He will do best with a QB that works with him enough to know his tendencies.  We haven't had this in Miami.

I completely agree. In fact I suggested this myself (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=19843.msg254974#msg254974) back when Marshall's trade was first announced. "I've kinda come to peace with the fact that the Dolphins aren't going to fix their QB problem this year and that would have just meant another year of Marshall complaining about the QB, so time to move on."

If this was the case... the letting him go was a proper move!   I hear Philbin's offense is all about timing routes... you can't have a receiver doing his own thing when your QB is throwing timing routes!!!!

That's pretty much every deal. We as fans have the luxury of saying whatever we want and then never having to recant. It's one of the best things about being a fan. Bitch and moan with no accountability. If we traded three first round picks to move up and draft Tannehill most people would scream bloody murder. If he turned out to be the next Tom Brady we would just say where can I get his jersey without any remorse of what we had said. It still wouldn't stop us from bitching next time.  :D

Quite a bit off topic, but.....

If you trade three first round picks to draft him, then he can't be the next Tom Brady.  Maybe the next Peyton Manning but not the next Tom Brady.  We can debate ad nasium who is the better QB.  But one thing I think is beyond debate is that Tom Brady is the greatest player (at least in the superbowl era) realitive to his draft position.  If you were to list the all time greats Tom Brady makes the list very few others on the list would not be 1st, 2nd or 3rd round picks. 

That is one of the things that makes Tom very special.  He wasn't drafted and handed the starting QB role.  His rookie year he was 4th on the depth chart and worked his way up to be the back up.  And then when the oppertunity presented itself he made the most of it. 

I have more respect for players like Tom Brady, Wes Welker, Warren Moon, Kurt Warner, Matt Cassel etc. than players like Randy Moss, Vince Wilfork, Peyton Manning, Dan Marino etc.  Guys that had to fight just to get a shot to be on the field.

No I get your argument. I ws pointing to Brady's and his team's success.

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I like it. Straight to the point. You forgot that he is a distraction in the locker room and on the field. See Keyshawn Johnson early in career.

Two out of three are relevent.  Lets face -- nobody gives a shit about if the guy is an ahole off the field.  Eleven million dollars to have a guy drop passes is steep even if he has the character of Tim Tebow. 

Sorry for the thread hijack, please feel free to split my comments into another thread if you feel it necessary.

I understand where you are coming from, but I think it's a bit misguided as well especially when comparing Brady to Marino. Marino wasn't handed the Miami Dolphins QB job either, he earned it with his play, just like Brady. The only difference between Marino and Tom Brady is that Tom didn't get a chance to showcase his talents in college like Marino did and was therefore drafted in the 5th round. Here's a quick history lesson on Dan Marino.

Marino had success at QB at every level of Football until his senior season at Pitt where he struggled. He was drafted late in the first round because of that poor showing. When he was drafted, Miami was coming off a superbowl visit. David Woodley was a young QB with a lot of mobility and was backed up by veteran Don Strock. Marino was not expected to crack the starting lineup in his first year as it was assumed that his poor senior season in college indicated that he'd need time to adjust to the NFL. Shula frowned upon putting rookie players on the field and doubly so when it came to the QB position, however once Marino got to Miami, he immediately noticed the difference between Marino and Woodley. Just watching the 2 throw the football around it was obvious that he had skills that Woodley did not possess, but still he decided Marino needed more time on the bench before he would be ready to play. After 3 games of watching Woodley and the offense struggle however he decided to put Marino in late in a game against Oakland. Marino rallied the team to 2 late TD's and posted a 117.3 QB rating. Shula went back to Woodley however to start the next 2 games where Woodley continued to struggle, so Shula gave Marino another chance in a game against New Orleans where Woodley was 4 of 12 for 34 yards and a pick and 7.6 QB rating. Marino went 12 of 22 for 150 yards, 1 TD and 1 INT in relief and Shula decided to give Marino his first start in the next game. Woodley never again played for Miami.

So no one knew that Marino would become a superstar either. He certainly had shown enough in college to think he might be decent in the pro's, but he was the 6th QB taken in the draft in '83 which just happened to have a lot of 1st round talent at QB that year so a lot of teams passed over him too. Not as many as passed over Brady, but he still had a bit of a chip on his shoulder too when he came to Miami. He was not handed the job, he straight up outplayed the starter and made the most of his chances when he was given the chance to play. I completely understand your position on Tom Brady, it's only natural that you would put him on a pedestal, but I think you need to cut Marino a little slack. You've made several remarks about Marino in the past that I've shown to be less than factual. I don't expect you to think as much of Marino as I do for example, but I think you should show a little more respect to him especially given the circumstances that you're posting on a Dolphins website, who happen to be division rivals with your Patriots. I wouldn't dream of going on a Patriots website and slighting Tom Brady, I think it's a bit underhanded for you to do it here.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Speaking of factually inaccuracies, Brady was drafted in the supplemental portion at the end of the 6th round, not the 5th round.

Many teams passed on Randy Moss another player in that list with Marino.  Marino was drafted to replace Woodley, it was going to happen.  The only real question was would it be week 1 of '83, week 1 of '84, or sometime in between.  It happened in between.  This is no disrespect on what he accomplished once he became the starter.

But I don't get that excited about guys like Marino (or for that matter Wilfork or Devin McCourty, or Nate Solder) as I do for guys like Brady, Cassel, Danny Woodhead, Greg Camarillo etc having success. 

Sorry, my bad. I don't profess to know a whole lot about Brady. I wish you would admit that you don't know a whole lot about Marino.

Fair enough, I have a certain sense of pride when it comes to guys like Bernie Parmalee myself, but I don't have to disparage the likes of Marino to make that point. Just because Marino had success in college, doesn't somehow undermine what he was able to accomplish in the pro's.

I really can't fathom what in my post you considered disparaging to Marino (or for that matter Wilfork, Peyton and Moss)

It wasn't just this post, it's past posts as well. You've made it quite clear that you're not that impressed with Marino or what he accomplished and that you are with Brady. We get it. You can stop doing that now.

This has nothing to do with Wilfork, Peyton or Moss, it has to do with Marino and your lack of respect for him on these forums. I wouldn't mention it if it wasn't a Miami Dolphins website. Some of us here rather appreciate what Marino did for this franchise and I for one would prefer that you don't use him to make a point especially when it comes to Tom Brady. It's not respectful and like I said, a little underhanded. You don't have to agree with me to respect my wishes. There's plenty of other NFL players you can use to make your point and probably would work to underline your point better than Marino anyway.

Hoodie, when you speak of The Marino, you had better use a more respectful tone.

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