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From Armando's article today

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/ (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/)

MIA needs to trade up to Cleveland alright, but not for Tannehill, but for Justin Blackmon.  The guy is a cant miss at WR.  I watched alot of OSU games this year and the guy has great hands, is big & athletic, and very physical.

I say we hold off on the QB reach at No. 8 and wait till later in the draft, possibly look at Kirk Cousins out of MSU. 

^^^ I have a feeling Cousins is going to move up into the early second round, which is a little high for where I value the guy. As I noted in a different thread, I'd like to see Miami take a 3rd-4th round flyer on either Russell Wilson from Wisconsin or Kellen Moore from Boise State.

I like Blackmon as well...and would have no problem with Miami taking him at #8 if he's still on the board.

I feel like even a "can't miss" guy will be a miss on this team.  The entire team is set up to fail.

We gotta hit some time, right? LOL

I'm a little worried about Blackmon's size. He's listed at 6'0 which isn't that tall for a WR. I've heard that standing next to him he appears to be more like 5'10 or so.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_97kBZqj270

Plaxico Burress is 6'5" and his vertical range (while jumping) is 10'8".
Blackmon is 6'1", but his vertical range is 10'11".
I wouldn't worry about his height.

I wasn't worried about it till I heard someone mention it. Can't remember who exactly, I think I was watching ESPN and someone mentioned it. They didn't make a big deal out of it, but still said it was something to keep in mind. Probably not that big of a factor for Miami and a west coast offense.

I wouldn't have a problem taking him if he's there at #8, but I think there's less chance of that happening then there is of Tannehill being there.

I'd love to have Blackmon to work with in this new offense.  He's much more of a can't miss prospect than Tannehill.  In fact, I think we could find a QB just as good as Tannehill in rounds 2-5 pretty easily.  But then again, I have an extremely poor opinion of Tannehill after watching him play almost every weekend last year.  I'd rather have Cousins anyway.

I'd be in favor of trading up to get Blackmon, though.  Use the picks we got for Brandon Marshall to move up to get him.  This team needs a major talent upgrade at the WR position.

If you get Blackmon you might as well bring in Weeden.

Which begs the question did Blackmon make Weeden look better than he is or vice versa? Perhaps a bit of both?

I have no problem with bringing both of those guys in...provided they don't mind working for the GM that insulted their former teammate, that is.

Well, if Blackmon is gonna hang with Dez we would be better off not taking him.

I don't think they will trade up.  I think chances are better that they trade down.  We could go QB, WR, RT or pass rusher with our first pick all of those choices would be equally valid.  This allows us a lot of flexibility.  We could trade down and still get a quality player in one of those spots.

It all comes down to our draft board and if there are any surprises in the first 7 picks.

I can hear the moans and groans when it happens too.  Not that it would be justified.  I would be totally fine with going lower in the first round to pick up a second. 

NFL Network said 2 teams to watch for that could trade up for Tannehill are Philadelphia and Kansas City

Vick's 6 year $100 mill deal he signed last year isn't really 6 years, they can get out of it shortly if they want without too much damage and plus as he gets older (31 now) his speed will start to decline. They want to be prepared for life after Vick. And KC wants a QB badly.

The solution is real simple. Talk with Philly and KC about trading down. Gauge their interest. See what they are offering to move up to #8 and then you will know whether or not you should be worried about them moving to #7 and what they would be willing to give up to move to #7 and then plan appropriately. Now maybe Philly and KC would be wise to that and not interested in talking with you, but if that's the case, then I think you can assume they are not THAT interested in getting Tannehill. Miami hasn't tipped their hand yet on Tannehill, if they were THAT interested, they would consider all possible trade partners including Miami.

As long as Blackmon isn't hanging out with Dez's mother...


As I said a while back, and on more than one occasion...anything that gives us more draft assets that we could use for "next year," the happier I'll be. I just don't see Tannehill as a franchise QB, and believe Miami would have a better chance of landing that type of top-shelf young QB in the 2013 draft.

So, trade-downs are good... Dealing players for draft picks...good. Auctioning off lap dances from some of our minority celebrity owners in exchange for draft picks...good.

If Cleveland doesn't draft Tannehill, we should trade down to some team that does want him. I don't think he is the answer, but having an extra first rounder or more would go a long way in recovering from the current disaster we found ourselves in.

Tannehill is not the answer, he's just another new warm body for people to boo and blame Ireland for.

Looks like if a team wants Tannehill they will need to get to 3 above Cleveland. Otherwise its a huge risk of not getting him

Trading down and passing on top players to add multiple marginal players isn't a blueprint to success. Miami needs a big-name impact guy if they don't get Tannehill. Trading down would be foolish. We did that a couple years ago, passed on Earl Thomas when we had a huge need at safety. Added Odrick (when we were already deep at D-line) and Misi (who sucks).  We should have just taken Earl Thomas who is very good and NOT had an issue at Safety as we still do these years later as well have an issue with Misi and he is nothing special!

I'm not buying that Cleveland is gonna take Tannehill at #4 and based on the mock drafts I have seen, no one else is either. Cleveland wants someone to believe that so they'll try to trade up to #4 and acquire some more picks, but I doubt anyone is gonna do that either. Trading up to #2 to get RG3 makes some sense, trading up to get Tannehill doesn't. He BETTER be a franchise player then, otherwise you end up looking silly.

Doesn't matter IF they are gonna take him. They have a few teams THINKING they will take him.

Todd McShay on ESPN the other day said the difference between RGIII and Tannehill is real small. Not much difference at all.

I don't give a crap what Todd McShay thinks. 

Fine. Go ahead. Take him. Say goodbye to the last few fans you have for passing on Richardson and Blackmon. :)

They sell out no matter what. That is a great football town.

http://www.cnnsi.com/2012/writers/peter_king/04/01/bounty/1.html

Peter King seems to thinks Miami has eyes for Tannehill

Ugh.  Tannehill's got bust written all over him.

I want to trust Mike Sherman's judgement, but I'm not sure I can.

Good Lord! Please just go with Moore at this point and wait till next year.

Armando's article today addresses McShay: The draft turns with Cleveland's pick

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/#storylink=cpy (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/#storylink=cpy)

"It's frustrating, I know, when you look at Tannehill and how quickly he's risen in only 19 starts, and the production isn't elite and the completion percentage and all of that, but I would have a very difficult time passing on him at that number 4 pick," he said. "I just think that he has everything you look for in a future franchise quarterback if you develop him properly and you're willing to be patient.  So that's where Colt McCoy comes in to me.

He's an idiot, McSuck.  In one breath he says how Tannehill is not elite, but then says at the No. 4 pick, it would be difficult to pass on him. WTF?!?!?!?

Seriously, these talking heads are talking out both sides of their mouths.  I hope teams around the league are not influenced by this garbage talk, especially coming from people like him and Peter "in my mouth" King. 

Seriously, this ALL ABOUT VALUE and at the No. 4, or No. 8 spot for that matter, Tannehill is not value.  I don't mind them trading up, but the players, WR, RB, QB, etc, better be a stud.

I still want Blackmon.

Few QB's are "elite" right out of college. That is his point. It takes time to groom them. Just because he isn't elite right now doesn't mean he can't be. Dalton wasn't elite last year, he turned out fine for Cincy. When Brees went in Rd 2 back in the day he wasn't elite then, he is elite now.

McShay's point is Tannehill has all the tools to be elite. Some guys don't have the tools or the gifts to ever be elite no matter how hard they work.