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In my mind, reaching for Tannehill is the worst thing the Dolphins could do.  Here's why...

Everyone had their eyes on Luck.  The "Suck for Luck" sweepstakes was out of control.  As it moved on, the focus became RG3.  He's a good player, but also will not be available beyond #2.  So, all the teams in the sweepstakes still have googly eyes for a QB, and Tennehill is just the next best thing.

In reality, he's a late-first or second round talent.  He shouldn't even be in the conversation in the top 10, but he has been boosted because so many teams had their eyes on QB's this season.  Taking Tannehill would be just grabbing the next QB, regardless of talent level. 

For a team with so many holes, I'd be fine with taking the top tackle, or if by some miracle Justin Blackmon falls to us - TAKE HIM!  I'd rather take a guy who is the best at his position than reach for a guy just because he is a QB.

But, here's how I see this playing out...  Remember 2007?

Tannehill is on the board at 8 and the Dolphins take their stud tackle, pass rusher, or receiver.  Immediately Jeff Ireland is crucified in the media for passing on the next Dan Marino.  How could he?  These guys probably already have the articles written.  Later, whoever they picked gets a career of boo's and jeers because his name isn't Ryan Tannehill.  He will never be worth a damn, never be any good, even if he is great, and he will be cut or traded before his third season.  It has happened before, and I see it happening again.

I like this article:
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7835940/nfl-reaching-draft-always-mistake

^^^^^THIS

I see they cut Phillip Merling today, they may go DE in the 1st round now.  Tannehill is not the correct choice at No. 8.  2nd round, yes, 1st round with the 8th pick?  Not in this lifetime.

Unlike Mueller in 2007, Ireland made a herculean effort to put himself in this poor position.  He heartily deserves whatever bashing he receives.

First, he made it known Wide And Far that he Is Not Happy With Matt Moore and would Definitely Be Looking To Upgrade The QB Position.  Fine.
Then, an hour into free agency, he trades away Miami's best offensive weapon, instantly eliminating the Dolphins from the Manning sweepstakes (if they even had a chance).
He follows that by bringing in Flynn and lowballing him, losing him to a mediocre contract offer from Seattle.

Ireland has dutifully painted himself into this corner.  I have very little sympathy for the media deservedly tearing him to shreds if a) he doesn't pick Tannehill or b) he picks Tannehill and he's a bust.

If he was going to do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to upgrade Miami at QB, he should have said "We are happy with Matt Moore and are looking to upgrade other positions."

Do me a favor. Go to youtube and pick out a couple games from Andrew Luck, RGIII and Tannehill from 2011 where it shows you every throw they make in a game. I don't care which games they are, but at least pick out 3 or 4 of each player. Watch every throw they make in those games. Not just the good ones, but the bad ones too. Evaluate each player and also evaluate the WR's they are throwing too. I did this over the weekend.

I won't deny that Luck looks the best, but RGIII and Tannehill aren't that different. They really aren't. Luck doesn't make many bad throws, but he doesn't really make a lot of throws where you go, "only Luck can make that throw" either. I saw Ryan Tannehill make PLENTY of throws where you go "Wow, that was an NFL type pass", every bit as good as Luck. Yes, he has a few you cringe at too, definately more than Luck, but Luck is considered one of the best QB prospects of the decade. If that's true (I have my doubts) and Tannehill is pretty close to him, I don't have ANY problem with Miami taking him at #8. He has some warts, no one is saying he doesn't, but RGIII has some warts too and NO ONE is saying that he SHOULDN'T be #2.

And do one other thing. Count how many times Tannehill's receivers DROP the ball or bat it into the air. Then count that number for Luck. I didn't actually count the numbers, but it would have been a lot for Tannehill and a couple for Luck. A couple times those batted balls turned into INT's and a couple more times the receivers turned the ball over after catching it which are drive killers.

When you make an honest comparison of the pass attempts in the games and don't look at just the raw numbers, you start to see why guys like McShay are high on him despite his less than stellar numbers. He played on a team with less accomplished receivers and a lot of the times the reason that A&M came up short against teams was not because Tannehill was playing poorly, it was because his receivers weren't getting open or were dropping balls they should have caught.

There's no sure thing in the NFL. I don't think Luck is a sure bet in the NFL. I don't think Tannehill is either, but I think Tannehill has a much better shot than people are giving him credit for.

See, I really hate this lowballing term and I blame media hype. How do we know it was a lowball offer? The assumption is because Seattle offered higher then Miami lowballed him. Maybe they just offered him what they actually thought he was worth. This is more media hype.

If they really thought he was worth less than the journeyman contract Seattle signed him to, he never should have been seriously considered as a long-term solution.  Therefore, one of two things was the case:

1) Ireland never considered him a serious solution (which means he had no real plan for an upgrade at QB, and was flapping his gums aimlessly)
2) Ireland did consider him a serious solution, but lowballed him

I'm not sure what to do myself.....It seems like where we're at,almost every one we might pick has a some red flags,or downside... :-\

I think Miami is sort of screwed,if they do take him some fans are going to be pissed,(and they are going to scream to play him when we lose the first game,then proclaim endlessly,how right they were,and he sucks...).
If we don't take him,there are going to be that section of fans that will never let us forget it,bringing it up constantly....

After reading Pappy's post,he sounds a lot like Jay Cutler...Played on a bad team in college,makes throws that you go Wow look at that...and a bunch that you go WTF are your thinking!!!

If they draft him and DO play him this year, I'll be screaming. He's not ready for the NFL. The biggest knock I've read is that he needs a year  (and some say more) on the bench learning. Someone (I think it was ESPN) said he'll only be a bust in the draft if he plays this year and that he will be "eaten alive" by NFL defenses. Let's be honest- this team isn't going to win the division or make the playoffs any time soon (see my thread "No quick or easy fix"), so there's no NEED to have him play this year. Let Moore or Garrard take some lumps and let the kid learn if they draft him (which I'm hoping they don't). -EK

^^ Problem is - who is he learning from?  Matt Moore, the guy with like 30 starts on his resume?  Or David Garrard, the journeyman who got cut in favor of Luke McCown and Blaine Gabbert?

I'm just amazed how this guy shoots up the draft board. How do you get your coach fired in college, yet become a potential number three pick?  How do the Dolphins justify trading up (if this were to happen) for this guy, but not for RG3? I agree with Mr. Fein on this one. I don't want him either.

Now Tannehill is responsible for getting Sherman fired? Nothing to do with there god awful defense or their WR's who dropped everything. Or the fact they played in a conference with outstanding teams.  It's Tannehill who got him fired? lol

I agree the Tannehill "LOVE" might have went too far with some analysts a few weeks back but the Tannehill "HATE" has now swung just as far in the other direction with fans.  I guarantee most Dolphins fans didn't watch 1 second of a Texas AM game the past 2 years and now are speaking as if they know why Mike Sherman got fired. Amusing to say the least!

If Miami drafts him fine, if they don't fine. But some Dolphins fans with this over the top Hate towards the kid are just talking about stuff they don't known about

One thing to keep in mind, IF Miami passes on him. And if Moore and Garrard are well Moore and Gararrd and below average at best. Then NEXT offseason, if Miami doesn't land a QB in free agency (which its a weak class next year).....don't be crying when Miami parts with 3 first round picks and a couple 2nd rounders to move up to take a QB.

And the QB they move up for may not be as good as Tannehill.

Philbin's and Ireland's job is to think "BIG PICTURE". This is a game of chess, where they must think 3 or 4 moves ahead and what "might" happen.

That "WHAT IF" senerio of Miami goes 7-9 or 8-8. Moore walks as a FA. Gararrd retires or stinks. Miami doesn't sign a FA QB, they are picking 13th or 14th in the draft next year, the top QB's are spoken for by teams picking at the top of the draft who aren't trading down, and Miami is trading UP to get the 3rd best QB in NEXT years draft who might be worse than Tannehill. You want to give up all those picks for THAT GUY? Or just use this years #8 pick for Tannehill.

Like I have said, I have faith when it comes to QB's in Philbin/Sherman/Ireland on this one. IF they take Tannehill fine. If they don't fine, I am good with it either way. BUT don't be crying a year from now when Miami is giving up the farm to move up and take a QB with less of a resume than Tannehiill. Because THAT possibility is very real!

In my case, its not TanneHate or TannEnvy. Simply put, I don't see no. 8 talent in Tannehill. I've watched him play. He's a west coast offense QB that stares down his primary receiver. Granted, he only had 19 starts. Granted, he could be taught progressions. But the elevation up the board makes absolutely no sense to me. None. He's maybe the 4th best QB in the draft. So, there is no hate here. Just personal objectivity.

I see your point and understand it. BUT, Ponder and Locker weren't Top 10 talents and that's where they went (Ponder 12th but close enough). And in limited time last year they did fine and look promising going into year 2.

The ONLY 19 starts thing I don't get. He had more starts in college than some successful NFL QB's like Newton, and Sanchez. Those guys went Top 5. Few if any people had Joe Flacco in Rd 1, hell Parcells was dying to get him in Rd 2 and was shocked the Ravens took him late in Rd 1 That's because QB's get pushed up the board! 2nd round grade doesn't mean you go in the 2nd roudn anymore at QB. WAS Sanchez a Top 5 guy, probably not. But as Mike Mayock has stated and he is 100% correct. The QB position is judged totally different. Guys who have 1st and 2nd round grades go in ROUND 1. Guys with 3rd and 4th round grades go in ROUND 2! That is why there are so many BUST QB's that get drafted in Round 2, because they really are 3rd or 4th and sometime 5th round talents!!  The position pushes EVERY QB in the draft up the board. The position is far too important.

In the NFL you can "get by" with mediocrity at any position on the field. Pats do it with a mediocre secondary. GB with a mediocre RB. Pitt with a mediocre o-line...etc. The ONE position you can't "get by" at with mediocrity is QB!

It's just as likely that they give up the farm for a QB with more of a resume than Tannehill. In fact, with only 19 starts under his belt, it's MORE likely they give up the farm for a QB with a better resume than Tannehill. Next year's draft will include Barkley, Jones, Aaron Murray, Tyler Bray, and Tyler Wilson- all of whom are projected first rounders right now. Keep in mind, RG3 was a projected 2nd to 3rd rounder at the beginning of this season on many boards, and he blew up. The same could happen to any number of guys including EJ Manual (Florida State's 6'4" 245 beast of a QB). Next year's draft is deeper at QB than this year's, which is why I have no qualms in saying Miami should PASS on a guy who was considered the 5th best QB in the 2012 draft until 2 juniors went back to school. -EK

After reading your post, you make sense.    It's not that I don't want Tannehill at all, I just don't like the value pick at the 8th spot.  I would take him if it was 2nd round, but of course, it doesn't sound like he'll be there.  It's a catch-22 as Lil' B was saying earlier.

And I totally understand where you are coming from. And I am not saying Miami should or shouldn't take Tannehill. I have said I am fine either way. Take him, great. Don't, great. I can live with it (well unless they pass on him for an o-linemen then I might lose it..lol)

But something to remember, the same "experts" everyone runs to to point out they gave Tannehill that 2nd round grade and he shouldn't go in rd 1 or Top 10. Those same experts and scouts, are also saying Tannehill WOULD be the highest graded QB in the 2013 draft. And he has a higher grade than what Matt Barkley (the consensus #1 QB next year) has and will most likely have entering next years draft.

So, if Tannehill isn't playing this year (which he probably won't) then essentially you can get the #1 QB in the 2013 draft at #8. Hold onto all your picks. And he sits and learns in the NFL for 1 full year giving him a leg up on every QB drafted NEXT year.

Once again, that's not me pounding the table screaming THE MUST TAKE TANNEHILL. I trust Philbin/Ireland/Sherman when it comes to QB's. They have a track record. They (Sherman/Philbin) were at the ground floor when Rodgers came to GB and Philibin helped make Flynn to what he has become. These guys know what they are doing at that position. But if they take him, I get it and am not mad about it. Because the logic makes perfect sense!

People can't have it both ways and hide behind the "he was a 2nd round grade and only 19 starts" run to what the experts say about him and his grade....but then ignore the same people, same experts who gave him that grade who also say he would have the highest grade out of every QB in next years draft and his 19 starts are more than guys who have gone in the Top 15 and have had NFL success. You can't have it both ways!

See- this is the BS I hate with the "experts." This is in no way whatsoever a knock on Mike at all. It's on Todd McS, and any of the other "experts" who are now ranking Tannehill ahead of Barkley or Jones. Where were these great people of knowledge three months ago, when Tannehill was WIDELY held as the number five QB in this draft? How does he go from being behind those two guys to ahead of them without any of them playing a down? The Tannehill hype machine is out of control. Someone's going to draft him, and someone's going to get burned. I hope it's not Miami. -EK

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82889361/article/dan-marino-worth-it-to-stretch-for-tannehill?utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=twitterfeed

Marino weighs in on Tannehill

I hope the Dolphins wont pick Tannehill. He's not even that good, he's just the next best QB after Luck and RG3, and he's not ready to start right away. Therefore I hope the Dolphins pick an immediate impact player that can start right away week 1. Whoever they choose should be a starter next season but if they go defense, they will still need to fill the hole at WR. But as long as they pick the best player avaiable it should be good.

Just so I don't come across as being disputatious simply for the sake of argument, let me clarify why I, specifically, don't want Tannehill. He isn't going to play this season. If Miami is going to draft a QB who isn't going to play this year, then they shouldn't draft him this year with so many other holes to fill, unless it's in the second or third round. With the number 8 pick, there are more players that can have an immediate and greater impact for Miami without drafting Tannehill. It's a given that Luck and RG3 will be 1-2. After that though, with all the holes the Phins have, I can name ten guys who would be more impactful and better picks, allowing Miami to draft someone later or next year. Be realistic- Miami isn't going to win more than 8 games no matter who is under center, so why not get the best player they can at one of the numerous holes? Miami can't cover anybody in the secondary, and they haven't been able to since Madison and Surtain were there. Take Claiborne or Gilmore if they're there. They need help at receiver- take Blackmon or Floyd. I wasn't that down on Daniel Thomas last season, but wow- if Richardson is there, don't pass on him! There's talk of Wake leaving after this year, and even if he stays, he needs help with pass rush, especially after losing Langford- grab Coples or Cox. There's 7 guys AFTER Luck and RG3 that make more sense to me than stretching for Tannehill. Get one of them, let them play, and if need be draft a QB next year. It's not like drafting Tannehill and sitting him is somehow going to get Miami any closer to winning. The team will have a top 10 draft pick again next year with a deeper QB draft. -EK

But here's the thing: you don't have to give up "the farm" for Tannehill at #8.  You give up one top 10 (but not top 5) first-round pick.

Next year, you give up two firsts and a second for someone who might grade out slightly better than Tannehill does right now.

Why wouldn't that be the case with whoever the Dolphins draft next year?  The only reason Luck ("the best prospect since probably forever") is starting this year is because of Peyton's contract out-clause.

Rookie QBs only start when the team is desperate and hopeless.  I guess you can make the argument that Miami will be worse at QB next year (with no one under contract), but if that's the case, why not draft a QB this year and give your new QB some time to learn before throwing him into the fire with the franchise on his shoulders?

I've already stated why. You take the best player on the board, not a warm body because your fan base is clamoring to. -EK

The best QB on the board next year will definitely not grade out as well as Luck, will probably not grade out as well as RG3, and may or may not grade out better than Tannehill does now.  So again, why spend three picks next year to trade up and grab a QB that's not much different than the player you can get for one pick today?

You say the team has many needs; I agree.  So why should this needy team be dumping multiple picks to trade up for Barkley or Landry, as will likely be necessary next year?

Haha, I love draft time...everyone is either for or against drafting Tannehill with a couple of people saying they don't mind but don't think it's good value.

Some things to think about...nobody knows how good Tannehill is going to be only whether he appears to have the right attributes and even then a lot of it comes down to where he lands and how he is handled. Once the hype starts, "experts" want/need to get their voices heard (to renforce the fact that they are an "expert"), they don't want to stand out from the crowd as being different in case they are wrong otherwise they are clearly not an expert. Hence experts will all say he's going to go high, he's got good attributes but that he's overrated. This is the triple whammy, if he goes high, they were right, if he drops they were also right, if he does well they had him as a high 1st round pick if he doesn't they always said he was overrated.

FWIW...I suspect Tannehill is overvalued to be going in the top 10 but QB inflation rate has bumped him up. I don't have an issue taking him at 8 as long as we believe he has the attributes and are not just bowing to homer fan pressure to take a QB. I would rather we pick for positional value rather than a QB because we need one, I would rather we trade down if someone else wants to jump on Tannehill at #8.

The entertaining thing will be if we take him and he busts it will finally provide the evidence that just drafting a QB because you need one doesn't always provide a solution.

Disagree. The entertaining thing is if we use ANOTHER 2nd round pick on a very flawed QB after this franchise has seen that way fail time and time again (Henne, Beck, White...etc)

That's when we become the LOLphins and are no longer the Dolphins in the eyes of many. I mean how many times can you make the same mistake over and over again

Why are you so convinced that Miami gives that much up? You can't possibly know that. It's absolute speculation. They could go 4-12 have one of the top three picks and give up nothing. Vegas has the over under on wins for them at 6.5, so it's fairly likely they will be in a similar spot next year as they are this year. You're also saying Miami only has to give up one first round pick to move up this year. Wrong. They would have to give up this year's first, second, one of the thirds AND a late round pick to move up to 3 and get him. He's not worth anywhere near that. Four draft picks when the team has so many holes would cripple them further. With the way Tannehill shot up the boards without playing a down this off-season, it's likely there will be three or four QBs in 2013 that do the same thing- just like players do every year- and grade out higher than him. -EK

Disagree back at ya :-) Blowing a 1st on a QB who busts will be entertaining because then no matter where we drafted a QB they bust! The fans won't know what to clamour for at the next draft!

*We must spend a 1st rounder on a QB, oh wait that didn't work last year...let's pick up a bargain in the 2nd round...oh wait no that doesn't work either...FREE AGENCY!!! That's the answer oh, no wait we've tried that too....erm..*

This said, I appreciate the idea of at least trying to make something work out by forcing the issue...AS LONG as Tannehill drops to us, and even then if they go another way because they see better value at another position of need, I respect that call.

I like the conversation in this thread.  Nice job guys.

My beef with Tannehill is that his value is currently inflated due to 2 other high-tier guys at his same position.  its like teams all said "I want Andrew Luck! Oh, he's gonna be gone...?"
Then it became "No Luck, so RG3!  Oh he's gone too?"
The next logical statement is "Who's the next QB on the list?  Maybe we can get him"

I equate it to fantasy football.  I'm drafting 9th or 10th and there have been 8 RB's picked.  Do you take the 9th best RB in the league or the #1 WR or #1 QB?  I think in a world where you need a pass rusher, a right tackle, a wide receiver, you take the best talent and best player on the board, not just stab at a QB and try to fill the other holes with lesser talents.

Now, if somehow Tannehill lasts until the Dolphins' pick in the 2nd round, you take him and don't look back.

Why does not considering Flynn a serious solution equate to having no plan to upgrade the QB position? I can agree that maybe he was flapping his gums but maybe it isn't aimlessly. Maybe it was to help get someone like Seattle to jump for him? There is a bit of chess involved, I'm just not sure how well Ireland plays the game.

One sentence later...

Great point!

So if Miami is likely to be in the same spot next year as they are this year, and next year won't have the next John Elway and the guy who beat him for the Heisman at the top of the draft, it seems reasonable to believe that the ~3rd best QB in the draft next year probably won't be as good as the 3rd best QB this year.

When did I say ANYTHING about moving up this year?

Miami will likely be able to get Tannehill at 8.  If they can, they should.  If not, they should pick someone else.

If you want to get someone BETTER than Tannehill next year (e.g. Barkley or Landry), and Miami has a similar pick, they will have to trade up to get him.  As you point out, trading away multiple early-round picks for a flavor-of-the-month QB is not worth it.  That's why Tannehill would be a good value (when you're using your own pick, and nothing else) at 8.

It's not a given that they'd have to trade up next year. What part of that ate you unable to comprehend? There are at least four QBs that will come out next year that are likely going to rate higher than Tannehill. Four. If they can get the third QB THIS year at #8 why would they have to move up next year to get the third or fourth best? There's no reason to believe they would. Now oh great king of the last word, unless you have a crystal ball and can absolutely KNOW where they are going to pick next year, it's pointless to continue this. You believe what you want, I will believe what I want. Let's not blow up another thread with a pointless argument. -EK

The frustrating thing is you really don't know who to beleive. One poster is saying tannehill is higher than any QB next year and another says four will be ahead of him. No one really knows either way. I'm concerned abotu drafting tannehill as his strangths/weaknesses tend to remind me of Chad Henne which a lot of perople wanted to run out of town.

The thing to do is go back and look at where the QB's were ranked before all the draft hype had players moving all over the place who didn't take another snap. If each of the QB's had stayed through 2013, WalterFootball ranked them in this order: Luck, Barkley, Jones, Murray (out of Georgia), Bray (Tenn), Wilson (Ark), RG3, Manual (Florida St.), then Tannehill. Three of those guys would be gone, leaving 5 who were ranked ahead of Tannehill. As of right now, Barkley, Jones, Wilson, and Bray could EACH go number one overall next year, depending on how they play. The 2013 draft is VERRRRRRRRRRY QB deep, with some writers already labeling it "The year of the QB" before the season even starts. Depending on who you're reading, and who comes out, anywhere from 5 to 7 guys will be first rounders in 2013.

http://nfldr.blogspot.com/2012/03/2013-nfl-draft-year-of-quarterback.html
http://nflmocks.com/2012/04/02/future-bounty-the-2013-qb-draft-class/

-EK

What about Tannehill reminds you of Chad Henne? I can't think of much other than maybe a strong arm, but that should remind you of above half the QB's in the league. Tannehill is FAR more athletic than Henne and also far more excitable. Henne was praised as being poised in the pocket, but in the NFL that worked against him because he was so unattached. He didn't get people fired up. Tannehill played 2 years as a WR, he's an exciting player and gets people excited. I believe Henne started all 4 years at Michigan, he was as polished as a QB can get coming out of college. Tannehill has played 19 games is about as raw as a QB can get. Tannehill is ALL upside. Henne had no upside, he was good as he was ever gonna get coming out of college. That's why he hasn't proven to be an elite QB in the NFL. I don't know if Tannehill will ever be an elite QB either because it's only potential at this point, but don't compare him to Henne. The 2 are nothing alike.

^^^ They are more alike than you realize. The positive- strong arm. The negative- stares down receivers. That is about all you need to know.

Well in that case all we need is a noodle-armed QB with a nervous tick and we are SET!  >:D

Didn't they have that in Pennington already? -EK

I still think Chad Henne is a good QB.  You'll see this season.

^^I still think he's an average QB.

HA! If he doesn't beat out Blaine Gabbart in camp then I think you need to come here and publicly admit you were wrong! lol lol

If he does beat out Gabbert are you gonna admit he's good? :)

LOL....no because its Blaine Gabbert!! lol

 Ben Rothlisberger

NFL Draft: 2004 / Round: 1 / Pick: 11

AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year (2004)
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2× Super Bowl champion (XL, XLIII)
3× AFC Champion (2005, 2008, 2010)
2× Pro Bowl (2007, 2011)
"Joe Greene Great Performance Award" (2004)
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2009 Steelers MVP
Other Records and Awards

 ::) ::) And your point is about a Late First-round  draft pick

Ben did not start immediately , He was the No. 3 QB behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch.

So what if Tannehil  ::) ::) Behind Garrard and Moore . Im just saying  ::) ::)

That isn't a bad point...

I will, gladly, as long as you reciprocate if he has a good season.  No excuses like "he played against crappy teams" or "Jones-Drew carried him all season"

Deal?

Yeah deal, but its a good season. Not a good game or two. Not a good month. A good SEASON. where he plays 14 or more games. The team is at .500 or better with him as a starter. He has more TD's than interceptions. QB rating and completion % is decent.

And if he doesn't start till mid or late-October because he loses the training camp battle to Gabbart then I already win right there.

Those are the terms I agree too..  ;)

So let's be clear: if Henne has exactly the season that Matt Moore had last year, wins, losses, stats and all, who would win?

For Henne, Moore's season would be a success by those terms.  I can't recall better for him.

then I would lose if Henne has the year Moore had last year. With one exception, if Henne doesn't see the field till mid-October then I win. I mean if you can't beat out Blaine Gabbert in training camp and Henne sits the first 4-6 games, I win right there off the bat.

If Henne only plays in like 9 games and those are a good 9 games, that's not a season. The deal is who has the better season. Which in my book is 13 or more games

Moore only started 12 games and only saw the field because of an injury to Henne.

Just clarifying the terms.  I'd say if you start the majority of games for a season (so, 9+) you were the starter for that season.

If anyone got low-balled it was RT Eric Winston. EW was a $$ casualty from Houston and ranked in the top 10 at his position. He was making appx. 5 mil a year and according to sources, his wife wanted to live in Miami.  Miami came and left Miami without a contract. EW ended up signing in KC for 22 mil for 4 yrs. 

That my friend is low balling. Of course it isn't like they need a RT or anything.  :o 

He started week 3. 

If you can't win the training camp battle and only play half the games, that isn't a successful season in my book.

And those are my terms  ;D

I understand your terms as listed below

-must play in 13 games minimum
-must have more TD's than INT's
-must have more wins than losses as a starter
-QB rating or at least 70
-completion % greater than 55%

To be clear, if he gets blind-sided by a DE and tears an ACL, its hardly Chad's fault, so your "games played" requirement seems like an easy-out clause for you.  So I would recommend modifying it to be "must start more than half the games for his team," thus making him the primary Jaguars' starter for the season.  Or perhaps a minimum of 300 pass attempts for the year.  Just to qualify as "enough playing time."

If he WINS the job out of camp and is having a career year with great stats and gets hurt then I will admit it. I mean if he gets hurt in week 2 or 3 and has a couple good games then no. But if he gets hurt in November then yeah, good enough. Not his fault.

Fair enough.  I'm in.

I think this needs more than an admittance,it needs more for the spectators in the peanut gallery....It needs to be a "Poop" avatar,or Henne rules,Henne sucks Avatar might be more appropriate bet for all these stipulations to with the admittance...Maybe an I'm wrong about Henne under the avatar....

Just a thought...ignore me... :D

Mike,

So basically as you define things, Drew Bledsoe not Tom Brady was the Patriots QB the year they won their first superbowl?

^^As was Earl Morrall the year the Dolphins went undefeated.  ;D

If Chad Henne wins the Super Bowl I think its safe to say I was wrong  ::)

I didn't think I needed to spell that out

Good. We agree! I will bookmark the thread and we will revisit this in like 6 months...lol

Glad we've turned this Miami Dolphins thread into a Jacksonville / Chad Henne thread. 

Let's get it back on track now that the wager is done.

Wagers are fun! I'm also in for the poop bet. I still think Trent Green sucks.

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But yes, I still didn't want Tannehill.

Calling in the VICTORY of this bet I had vs Brian from the offseason. Henne entered the game today with a TD lead and did nothing but play awful and let the Raiders come back and win.

Time for you Brian to admit defeat!  ;)

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Checkdown Chad sucked ass today.  Three first downs total in the second half.

A lot of folks are eating their preseason words on Tannehill at this point... I'm just happy to see Miami with a real QB.


Careful, professor...stay in character.

I call it like I see it.  There's a reason why the Dolphins let him skeedaddle as a free agent.

I will admit defeat, when I am defeated.  Yes he played like ass, but let the season play out.

I do admit, though, in hindsight I sounded like a crazy person back then.

You already lost though. He CAN'T start or play in 13 games. I win right there on that alone!  ;D

That was one of the terms.

Fair enough, but, I stated: "your 'games played' requirement seems like an easy-out clause for you"

But now that Gabbert is hurt, if Chad plays the rest of the season, I wanna see if he meets the rest of the requirements.  If Gabbert gets healthy and gets his job back immediately, then game over.

Sure, I will amend the bet. Keep it going. I feel really really confident!  8)

I would too, if I were you.  I really REALLY thought highly of Chad Henne 6 months ago, it seems.

^^^ Maybe you can make it up with a double-or-nothing on Tyler Thigpen taking over for Fitzpatrick in Buffalo...