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Ben Volin was tweeting about it earlier...
@BenVolinPBP: The #Dolphins would be a good fit for Hard Knocks, as well, particularly with an intriguing three-way QB competition

@BenVolinPBP: New York Post writes today that Hard Knocks hopes to have a team by next week. Wouldn't be shocked if #Dolphins are in the mix

Would you like to see the Dolphins on Hard knocks?

Absolutely!  I would order HBO for it.  Our team has a lot of likeable guys, so as long as they don't hound Ross and Ireland too much, I think it would be good for the team.

Hard knocks is careful not to reveal much by way of strategy, so I wouldn't worry about that aspect too much.

I voted yes. I don't thnk we are gaining anything on our team now by being secretive and would love the added exposure for my own purposes.

I like Doc,would order HBO to watch...

I could see a scenario...

Where Ireland would want it,it might shine a more positive light on him.(I honestly don't think it matters too much to him)

Phibin,might be reluctant being a first time Head coach in the NFL,it could shine a a bad light on him....

I don't know...

I always enjoyed the show. Seeing the Dolphins would only make it more enjoyable.

The Marlins are going to be on The Franchise.  I am considering buying Showtime just for that.  I would definitely buy HBO if they put the Dolphins on Hard Knocks.

Hell Yes.....I watch this show every year and find it very entertaining and I enjoy the in depth look inside training camp. I even watched when the damn Jets were on.

^^^ I wish I had kept count on how many candy dishes they had. No wonder Ryan is a fat ass.

Yeah the media doesn't already knock every move the Dolphins make, great idea, give'em more ammunition.  Just Brilliant!

At this point, could it possibly hurt the Dolphins' image?

Personally, I'd love to watch it.

I'd love to do it.  The Dolphins have a turd image.  They would benefit from having people follow them a little bit.

YES! YES! YES!

The Dolphins image and brand is  so badly beaten and bruised they need to use a show like this as an infomercial. Show that Ireland isn't a bad guy. Show that Ross isn't some clown (which might be tough as he keeps putting his foot in his mouth) to show that Miami is a good place to play and remind and educate people that the Dolphins are a good franchise with good people running it. Show that Joe Philbin is a coach you want to play for!

Most kids have grown up with the Dolphins always being bad, they don't know anything of the glory days or them ever being good. Most players only thing of the bad things these days when you talk about the Dolphins. The "is your mother a hooker" or Ross and his dumb comments. The Dolphins need HARD KNOCKS more than Hard Knocks needs the dolphins. It would be a huge PR success for this franchise.

I wrote on this topic  back in March and I stand by every word of it still to this day http://www.dolphinstalk.com/2012/03/why-miami-dolphins-need-to-be-on-hbo.html

^^^ You do realize that hard knocks is not an "infomercial."

The producers specifically edit the show to create drama and problems.  That to make the show more interesting to the other 31 fan bases the hosted team comes off looking as bad as possible.

Oh please, the league and teams have used it as an infomercial for years. The NFL runs it through NFL FILMS and they don't let no bad things over the air. They are protective of the team and the NFL brand. When was the last time you saw anything amazing on Hard Knocks?! Almost never!

They edit it of course but usually its some uplifting "Rocky" type story of some unsigned free agent beating the odds to make the roster and get that final roster spot. Or some old fart guy over the hill (Hugh Douglas comes to mind) who is getting cut and his career is all but over.  The "drama" from Hard Knocks is very mild at best. Even the "REVIS" story-line from a couple years ago was nothing big.  That was going down with or without the hard knocks cameras there.

Hell Hard Knocks made Mike Brown of the Bengals seem all warm and fuzzy and he is the worst person/owner in the league! He is an awful person from all the stories you read about him. Yet through Hard Knocks they made him come off as a nice old man just trying to win and follow his dad's legacy!

I put "not sure" because I wouldn't want them to be on this year; maybe another year where the team isn't floundering.

+1

And another +1. The off the field idiocy for the past three years has already been more than enough. Keep this team out of public view, besides the actual games, until it can have at least a .500 season. -EK

I want Hard Knocks as far away from this team as possible.  I don't care how good they get.  Every year it's "who's gonna be on Hard Knocks?" and every year the team that ends up on Hard Knocks ends up sucking.  And not just like oh lost in the wild card sucking like sucking like big floppy german donkey penis.

Uh, the last 2 teams on HARD KNOCKS, The Jets went to the AFC Championship game. Cincy went 10-6 and won the AFC North.

Just sayin  ;)

um, the Jets suck, and the Bengals might be the most underachieving team in Pro Football the last decade or so.  If those are the two best possible results I don't want anything to do with them.  It's still a bad idea and I don't want to be associated with it.

According to this morning's Barry Jackson column in the Miami Herald the Fins are among a handful of teams being considered

"The Dolphins are among a handful of teams that have been receiving consideration to appear on HBO’s Hard Knocks training camp series."

I am guessing Miami won't do it with a rookie head coach but I would have no problem if they did sign up for it this year. For the Fins to be considered I would guess that means they have talked to the league about it and given them some sort of interest back possibly. We will see. The only team that wants it seems to be Jacksonville and the fact that the NFL hasn't just taken them tells me they really don't want Jacksonville unless they are forced to take them! lol

But that's not what you said.  You said, "every year the team that ends up on Hard Knocks ends up sucking."  CIN had their best year in a long time and the Jets had arguably their 2nd best year since the merger.  That does not lend credence to your claim.

Ok well maybe this will.

a 10-6 team that loses in the wildcard round sucks.
an 8-8 team that backs into the AFC championship game and loses sucks.

There is no second.  Second sucks.

Exactly!


The Dolphins have been so bad for so long that most Miami fans and probably ALL of the ownership/front office would cut off their left arm for a Division Title or an AFC Championship berth at this point!

I am on board with the Hard Knocks team. We don't have an in-depth Dolphins show in Central FL. It would be nice to see them transition into the "new regime".

Last season we had an hour of nothing but Dolphins news every Sunday.

Unconfirmed Rumor has it that the Dolphins will be on Hard Knocks this season.

via Twitter:

"Coach Philbin opened his press conference by announcing the team will be participating in HBO's Hard Knocks."

and later


Philbin on Hard Knocks: "We thought it was in the best interest of the organization to do it at this time."




Looks like Miami WILL be on Hard Knocks.  I love this.  I can't wait to get to see the players "behind the scenes" and learn a thing or two from the new coaching staff.  Hopefully Mr. Ross will stay as far away from the camera as possible.



EDIT:  The first episode of Hard Knocks will air Tuesday, August 7 at 10 pm ET (also per Miami's official twitter)

FUCK.  >:D

No "Fuck" this is good for the team! I am excited!

Anxiously awaiting the first posts whining that HBO is being unfair to the Dolphins in they way things are portrayed. 

Crap. Oh well, just as most everything re: the Dolphins I will cross my fingers and hope for the best. LOL

Set your alarm, 10:08 pm, August 7th.

This is AWESOME!

To everyone who is worried about it, calm down.  Media personalities like to overstate how much things are distractions.  This isn't a distraction, it is a documetary.  We have a good team for this kind of thing right now.  We have a high percent of good character guys and I think they will represent our team well.

In an ordinary year, I would agree. In a year where we have a brand new coaching staff and a QB controversy brewing, I'm not so sure. This is just gonna pour fuel on the fires that are already smoldering and put Miami in the spotlight even more. If everything goes well it WILL be great for Miami, but if there should be issues, and really when AREN'T there issues, then Miami will become even more the butt of jokes.

I don't like it, but it's just my opinion, I could be wrong...and I probably will be watching for the first time ever so on that note I'll probably get a little more coverage on Miami than I would normally get, so it's not all bad.

This is sort of the way I see it...

The Chiefs and Bangels did hard knocks and I watched most of them and ended up liking both of them more.  The Cowboys were on it and they were who I thought they were.  The Jets were on and I didn't get to watch much but it sounds like they were a bit rediculous.

I figure Miami won't be nearly as dramatic as the Cowboys or the Jets, but a bit better than the Chiefs and Bangels.  I think we will all watch it and appreciate the team even more.  These guys work their assess off and all we usually see in terms of video is warm ups. 

My experience with the series is that they primarilly develop drama through the battles of making the team and only sway from that with divas.  If we had a bunch of divas on our team I would worry about it but we don't.

This is a quality production and Hard Knocks knows how to stay out of the way and avoid burning themselves for future opportunities.  Misrepresenting the team doesn't help their cause in the future.  It will be fine!

Joe Philbin seems to like it.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/miami-dolphins/09000d5d8296a538/Philbin-excited-about-Hard-Knocks

I wonder how many people against it have never seen the program. The Bengals (can you think of a team with more arrests and issues in recent history) didn't even come off looking bad.

I was thinking the same thing.

You can mark me down for that, but I'm not worried really about the team looking bad, I'm worried that it will be a distraction to a team that doesn't need to be distracted. It's quite possible I'm overthinking it. I should probably give more credit to the coaches and players that they won't see this as a distraction.

I would think these guys are pretty use to having cameras around. I don't think it is much more of a distraction than being "Miked up" during a game.

If you get a chance, I believe they are currently showing some re-airs of older hard knocks episodes on NFL Network.  I don't think it would take more than a couple of episodes to get a good feel for what it is all about. 

I actually think the presence of Hard Knocks keeps the players more engaged in their training.  Typically people want to be at their best when the camara is rolling.

+1.....I was stoked when I saw it on Twitter this afternoon.

It looks like I'll be getting HBO August 1st...I'm not sure I "like" the idea,but curious to watch it as a Dolphin fan in the Midwest,(not very likely to go see them during training camp)

This just gives me one more reason to keep my HBO subscription (Game of Thrones being the other reason).

I wrote about this back in March that if there was ever a team that NEEDED to be on Hard Knocks to re-shape its image and chance a national perception its this years Miami Dolphins.

I am glad the organization (football side and front office side) came together and agreed it would be a wise thing. This is good for this franchise moving forward!

I am very happy with this news today

I am also very pleased with the news. Can't wait to set the DVR. GO DOLPHINS!

Not happy at all about this.  I've always been of the mindset that what goes on in the locker room stays in the locker room.  It's not for the public to see or hear about. 

And for those who are stoked about this, let's just say a lot of other teams turned this opportunity down before the Dolphins accepted.  They were not HBO's first choice.  And that pretty much sums up where the Dolphins stand in the NFL's pecking order.  After what's gone down the past few seasons, it's rightfully deserved.

Every year a bunch of teams turn Had Knocks down. Every year they struggle to find a team. This isn't news!

Being a 1st choice? Who cares. Just remember that Vince Lombardi was the Packers 3rd choice when they hired him to be head coach back in the day. So whenever someone says so-n-so wasn't their first choice, I just laugh and think of that.

I also firmly believe some of you don't watch Hard Knocks but for clips and highlights. It's a show where literally nothing happens. You watch a bunch of scrub free agent rookies fight for a roster spot. You see the guy walk to the players and tell them to bring their playbooks moments before they get cut. You see an outing where the team goes bowling or to a pool hall for some "bonding."  And you see the kitchens in the homes of a couple guys you don't really care about as they talk about their home life. Aside from Rex Ryan saying the "F" word about 50 times in a 20 second time span once a few years back, what controversial thing has ever come out of Hard Knocks? Seriously? Name it....I will wait.

Nothing ever happens on this show. A couple rookies get tied to the goal post and sing some songs. You sit in on a couple coaches meetings where not much of anything important is ever said. You get players mic'd up for some meaningless preseason games.

It's a show where not a whole hell of a lot happens.

I still think it's a mistake.

It's indicative of the circus mentality Ross has brought to this team.

When does the series start? I need to subsbscribe.

Sounds awesome, where do I sign up? LOL

Every team I've ever seen on Hard Knocks, I've ended up liking....or at the very least, sympathizing with.  ...even the Jets, as disgusting as it sounds.

Plus, all this crap about distractions and "what happens in the locker room" sounds like it's coming from people who haven't actually watched the show.

Hard Knocks highlights players who are going to be 3rd string guys or get cut, for the vast majority.  It's mostly about what it's like to be on the bubble in camp.  There will be some subplots about bigger name guys, but the heart of the show isn't really about the Xs and Os of football: It's a drama about the little guy trying to make it in the NFL.  Then, they throw in a few pranks and jokes that make you really like the guys and you have your show.

I have no doubt that this show will help with the image of this team, not only with fans that will help get TV exposure, but more importantly with free agents around the league.  This is GREAT news for this organization and something we sorely, sorely need.

Every Dolphins fan these days questions every single move the team makes.  If this show does nothing else but re-unite the Dolphins fan base with the team, rather than the constant protesting and second guessing, its a win.

Amen.  Although, it isn't quite all of the fans (but close).

The downside on this is very minimal. We have already let them know it isn't and X & O of football show. We have already let them know the show does not put the teams in negative light. We have already let them know that multiple teams have had successful years after that training camp. I think the negativity around this just confirms who the consistent complainers are.

Had a thought...

Wasn't Carl Petterson with the Chiefs when they did hard knocks?  I could imagine he would have been able to give ample insight into what it would be like for the coaches/players/execs.

Herman Edwards seems to be cool with it...

http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/05/30/herm-edwards-hard-knocks-is-harmless-fun-not-a-distraction/

Don't give me a bunch of crap about how Edwards is no longer a coach either.  If anyone should have a problem with the show it would be someone who did the show and is no longer in the league.  The fact that he has no problems with it tells me it really is a non-issue from a distraction standpoint.  The fact that Edwards is not an HC anymore has nothing to do with Hard Knocks.

If it were a distraction, the show would be off the air.

If after 4 seasons, teams thought it was a problem, no one would allow HBO into their locker room.  Its in HBO's best interest to stay out of the way.  If its a distraction to this team, then these players are too easily distracted and lack focus.  It would be a problem with the team, not with HBO.

I disagree.  I wouldn't necessarily have a problem with doing the show, but I do have a problem with doing the show after the most embarrassing offseason I can remember since becoming a Dolphins fan.  The move reeks of flailing desperation and a lack of direction.

The fact that we had an embarrasing offseason makes it even more necessary.

If we are indeed a terrible embarrassment, what exactly are we protecting by putting it on TV?  If we are awful and we're shown in a bad light, how does that hurt us anymore than what people are assuming, which is already the worst.

Hard Knocks is like a 1 hour commercial for an NFL team, once a week.  We need it more than anyone.

Ok, y'all have convinced me that it's not a distraction, but I maintain that there's absolutely no way in HELL that Tony Sparano lets HBO into the locker room. None. Zip. Zero.

This regime has the anti-Tony attitude and I for one love that about them.

I think you can add Bill Belichick, Bill Parcells, Eric Mangini and many others to that list as well.  It isn't exactly like teams are fighting for a spot on the show. 

...except that (one of) the perceived problem(s) with the Dolphins is that the owner is a flighty, attention-seeking, celebrity hound.  The way to combat this perception is to lay low and focus on the football field, not invite a film crew into your training camp and increase your media overexposure.

I doubt HBO cares what Sparano, Parcells, Mangini, or any other former head coach (two of them aren't even coaches at all) would do.

True.  They don't need to convince all 32 teams.  They just need to sucker one out of 32 into putting publicity for the team before team success. 

Wrong.

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NFL Films' Ketover: The #Dolphins were the only team offered Hard Knocks this year.

^^^ I could have sworn there was at least one team that said "No" to HBO. Oh well. Not like it matters.

^^^ I am not sure if there were other teams formally asked by HBO and turned them down.  But there was certainly a plether of teams that publicly stated they wouldn't do it asked. 

I'm just upset that I'll have to get HBO now.  I can't imagine this level of coverage on the Dolphins and not seeing it.

I am looking for ways to make my cable bill cheaper, not to add premium channels.  Damn you, HBO.

Totally.

I'm hoping I can get a cheap special for new subscribers and turning it off as soon as the show is over.

Yes! first month free...  Or some free trial period.  Nice!

The show don't start till August, no rush to sign up now...lol

Don't waste your free month. 1 month is all ya need!

Oh I know, just planning for August...

HBO is actually a good channel and I get pretty good use out of it.

Game of Thrones
Tru Blood (wife loves it)
Real Time w/ Bill Maher
Hard Knocks (regardless of who the team is, I like the show)
Curb Your Enthusiasm
Various comedy specials
Various movies

I love HBO, mainly for Game of Thrones, Bill Maher and the movies... I've watched a little bit of the Hard Knocks series in the past, but I'll definitely get into that more now that the Phins are involved.

I wouldn't mind HBO, but when you have to tighten the belt and cut costs, paying extra for individual channels is one of the first things to go.