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Pats cut him.


Worth a look?   Thoughts?

No thanks. Would rather go after TO.

Ochocinco caught like 8 balls all last year.  On a team that throws 55 times per game with a MVP QB.

No.

No. After all this time he STILL can't figure out a playbook? And I thought it was just a mistake in reporting that he was cut. Did he really get cut?

http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patriots/extra_points/2012/06/reports_ochocin.html

Good God no!

He and his ghetto trash wife who is on that god awful show "Basketball Wives" I want no where near this team!

NoDont Thinkso.

Like it or not, Miami is one of the teams that the NFL media guys have already linked him to, along with Jacksonville, St. Louis, and Dallas. And it certainly would make for interesting Hard Knocks. -EK

No and Hell no


Hell no to TO as well. Owens caught 35 passes this past season in the Indoor Football League and was unceremoniously cut by his team for being a slacker primadona bitch...

Miami needs young talent, not old headaches.


Well twisted...

I see what ya did there

And why not give Shawn Alexander and Donovan McNabb another shot while we're at it?

This team doesn't need the likes of these washed up divas.

 Philbin/Ireland were willing to get rid of one nut-job messed up in the head WR in Marshall for a couple 3rd round picks and eat dead money just to remove that distraction/cancer. 

I would have thought you would stop listening to the "media" guys years ago. Every free agent gets linked to Miami by someone.

Don't want him.  If his shit didn't stink he'd have put up numbers in NE instead of not being able to get on the field.

By "someone" doesn't faze me, but multiple someone's usually means there's something to it. Doesn't mean they'll sign him or even go after him, but it wouldn't surprise me if they kicked the tires. -EK

^^ Yes, it means "analysts" recognize that Miami traded away their #1 WR and has not yet replaced him.  Nothing more.

Just like the multiple someones linking Manning to Miami at the start of that process. No, just because a name is thrown around it does not mean anything.

Wiser course of action would be to kick him in the balls.

Somewhat surprising news, the Fins are going to work-out Ocho Cinco this week.

https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/211528372264763394

Looks like "THE HBO EFFECT" is kicking in. Gotta bring in name stars for the reality show even if they can't play at all anymore.

Even if he can't play very well anymore, he might be the best 1 or 2 option on the team.

He couldn't learn the offense in NE and had "trouble" understanding the playbook. I find it hard to believe he will be able to play in an up-tempo offense of 80-90 offensive snaps a game (that's the goal at least) at his age.

Even if he is given a contract and brought to camp (for an HBO storyline) I would be surprised if he makes the team.

I don't know how much he's got left in the tank, but the offense in NE is very complicated for WRs.  They've got to make the reads to get open--not just run a particular route.  In Miami, he will be asked to only run a particular pattern.  If he can do that, he'll have a good chance to make the team...and maybe start.

Oh... I don't look so dumb for listening to the reports anymore do I? -EK

Even a blind squirl finds a nut every once in a while. 

But this sort of nonsense isn't somehow a distraction? It's all good, no downside right?

So, everything that happens now is going to get blamed on HBO?

Wow you guys make me laugh sometimes...

from Twitter:

Miami Dolphins Fans ‏@DolFanBandits
Chad Ocho Cinco will be signing with the Miami Dolphins pending a passed physical.

I am not excited about this move. Also, I questions Brian's source. I don't do Twitter so I have no idea who that is, but it looks like a throw it at the wall and see if it sticks tweet. To my knowledge the workout has not even happened yet so it sounds premature. That said, if the workout goes well enough, at this point I would expect a contract offer pending a passed physical.

He's still more talented than anyone on the current roster. I'm ok with this move. -EK

If true than the Dolphins are in serious trouble because that would mean.....

most talented Dolphins < least talented Patriot !

So let's get real now, all it really means is...

Least talented Dolphins WR < least talented Patriot WR.

I think we already knew that anyway.

As for the source, the "Bandits" are legit.  They are "superfans" and have gone as far as doing commercials for the team.  Of course that doesn't make them reputable news source, but they reported (in a separate tweet) that he saw it from Chad's fiance from some talk show in NY.

Take it for what it's worth.

https://twitter.com/DolFanBandits

Then this:
Miami Dolphins ‏@MiamiDolphins
Coach Philbin confirmed that there was a "recent" workout with free agent Chad Ochocinco.

AND - On June 10, Chad himself tweeted several posts about being in Miami...

Is there a current #85 on the roster?

If so, I hope that guy is a dick and won't sell it to Chad. >:D

Rishard Matthews, one of the late round draftees, currently has it.

Yes, I did see later on that the workout was indeed today.

It's my understanding that "talent" was never an issue with him in NE. He never go the playbook. He and Brady were never on the same page. That was it. If he wasn't talented they wouldn't have given him over a season to figure said playbook out. He's likely going to be a Dolphin; several players- notably Reggie Bush- have stated they'd like him in Miami because they need a WR to fill Marshall's shoes. I get that some o you guys want a squeaky clean Beaver Cleaver bunch of guys on the field and hated Marshall for his antics while he was there. If that's the route Miami goes, passing over talent because they're not saints off the field, be ready for more of the same as they've had since Marino retired. How many "character" guys have they passed on who became outstanding players? At this point I will take a Superbowl and guys with multiple suspensions over 50s sitcom family and another 6-7 win season. -EK

Maybe its me but I don't recall Chad having many off the field problems.  Just antics and what he considers "fun" like TD celebrations, etc.  I don't think he's a bad guy, or a thug, off the field.

Chad never had any off field problems up here at all.  Everyone liked him a lot.  It wasn't uncommon for him to show up at I-Hop and, as he was leaving, pay for everyone's breakfast who was there.  Talk radio guys up here seemed distressed about Chad; they wanted to hate him because of production on the field and couldn't because of his personality off the field.

He seems to be a good guy, hard worker.  I wouldn't mind having him in town if he can play.

And I get that you don't think much of the WR's on the team, but why is your opinion any more valid then anyone else? Ocho Cinco has a shot at making the team certainly, but I don't give him much chance at being the starter for game 1 or even a major contributor at any point in the season. If he couldn't learn the playbook in NE, what makes you think he can come in to Miami and learn theirs? They've already installed the offense, he's gonna be behind and he's gonna have to play catch up on the playbook and we've already seen that's not really his forte. Talent alone doesn't get you very far in the NFL. You have to know the playbook, especially in a west coast offense. It's not a great fit for 85. I doubt they even sign him.

His soon to be wife is bat-s#it crazy though! Always in the press, always fighting or being sued. Her reality show "Basketball Wives" has showcased her going looney and fighting constantly and always being involved with the police non stop. And her and her family LIVE in Miami!! It will be constant drama and headlines!

Miami's playbook will be vastly less complex for a receiver to digest than NE's.  It shouldn't be much work with almost an entire off season to get accustomed to it.

Chad's issues with the Patriots had nothing to do with his talent!    No one has ever questioned his talent, even now.  For whatever reasons he could not learn the playbook... maybe too much time in one system or a underlying problem that he was able to cover up with his talent in Cincy!

Really? There are some people in this thread doing it.

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Well, he isn't going to have to catch up far, because it doesn't matter how well you know hte playbook if you have no talent. The receivers Miami has are not only not as fast or talented, but apparently the dropped passes thing wasn't just a Brandon Marshall issue- it's the whole team. "coach Joe Philbin said he and offensive coordinator Mike Sherman are concerned about the number of dropped passes by the receivers, tight ends and running backs through the first seven OTA sessions." http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/06/11/miami-dolphins-practice-update-joe-philbin-not-happy-with-number-of-drops/

So who do you think is a better option- someone who can run every route perfectly but never hold on to a ball or someone who takes longer to learn the playbook but is a 6 time Pro Bowler and has the talent to hold on to the rock? Doubt they sign him if you want. This thread also said I was dumb to listen to reports that they were even talking to him.
Miami NEEDS someone to take Marshall's spot. I don't think some of you understand how important it is to have a big time WR that forces a team to keep a safety 15 to 20 yds back off the line to help out the corner. With the group of WRs Miami has- even in a WCO- the safety is staying in the box, giving the D an extra UNBLOCKED runstopper or extra blitzer on pass plays. Do you think it was just coincidental that about the same time Marshall's numbers started going up and his drops started going down, Bush's numbers improved? Marshall's presence helped the running game and if they do not get a guy that forces teams to play the deep ball, D's will use safetys to blitz and stuff the box on run plays and Miami's offense will be worse than last year, not better. You don't really believe that massive off-season acquisition Naanee is the answer do you? -EK

"Hey guys, we have a Pro Bowl MVP in his prime who we need to get rid of for pennies on the dollar because we're tired of his antics and his crazy domestic life!  In the current system, we just can't use me-first diva receivers, no matter how good they are!

By the way, we're planning on signing the same type of player to replace him, only 5 years removed from his prime."

This front office keeps saying one thing and then doing another.  I'm no longer even surprised when they do it.

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He's now a Dolphin...
@AdamSchefter As OCNN reported, WR Chad @ochocinco signed a one-year deal with the Miami Dolphins. (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/212342515133714433)

There's no risk if it doesn't work out.

If he plays like he did in New England one of the big ratings nights in HBO history will be watching him get cut on TV! lol

I trust Phibin... he saw enough of Chad to sign him!   Say what you want Chad has always been a great route runner...  his route running is what got him open!  Maybe he's just here to help the younger guys along... I doubt Miami singed him for the name...

Maybe the Dolphins are ok with a diva receiver, but not for one with a hefty price tag like Brandon Marshall.  This baffles me.

Welcome to Miami, Chad.  Watch tape of what Brandon Marshall did last year and DON'T do that.

I'd take around 80 receptions and 1200 yards from Chad and be happy about it. -EK

I'd like to think Chad's circus days are over but who knows? He seems like a likeable guy so I do hope he works out. At this point I don't see how he could be elite but serviceable would be nice.

I could care less what he does off the field (to an extent).  I just don't think he has enough left in the tank to be a productive player.  When a WR goes into decline, they fall fast.  I guess the team has nothing to lose by signing him and seeing what happens.  But the thing that concerns me the most is that it illustrates just how desperate the Fins are at WR to be grasping at straws like this.  Plus, it is just one more thing for the national media to laugh at the team about.  I was listening to the Mike and Mike show on ESPN during the morning commute today and Mike Golic was literally laughing about the personnel moves that the Dolphins have made lately.

If he's better than the 4th or 5th guy on our WR depth chart, then its a sound pickup.  I think he's probably at least 3rd best.  And I'm hoping that last season was a humility check for him.  We can only hope it works out, and we get Chad Johnson, from 5 years ago.

Not even close to the same attitude. This is a huge misrepresentation and has already been addressed as not accurate.

See there Hoodie, signing Chad wasn't a total bust. He'll make his biggest contribution to the Patriots yet by faxing the Dolphins playbook to Belicheck (since he'll have little use for it anyway).

This is the first thing that I have disagreed with the Philbin regime on.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

^^ If you are wrong, can we expect a full plate of crow from you?

You bet. I have no problem saying I was wrong about a guy especially when that guy exceeds my expectations. I actually rather enjoy doing that.

At least he provides the Dolphins with someone interesting for the Hard Knocks film crew to follow around. 

Do you mean the part where he declared beforehand that he would be fined for his next TD celebration and then did it anyway (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4725989)?

Or perhaps you mean when he punched his head coach in the face (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Former-Bengal-Chad-Johnson-punched-Marvin-Lewis?urn=nfl,70610)?

Maybe you mean when he was engaged in a Twitter war (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/22/chad-ochocinco-marvin-lewis-mopey_n_800470.html) with his head coach and threatened to whoop his ass the next time he saw him (http://deadspin.com/5817193/chad-ochocinco-threatens-to-whoop-marvin-lewiss-ass)?

You're right, that's nothing like Brandon Marshall...

OH MY GOODNESS.

Yes, you are right.  The Dolphins are reduced to making personnel decisions PURELY for the entertainment of HBO's subscriber base.

Really?

At this time I'm fine with it, it's a 1 year deal, it will hopefully shut some of those chicken little fans fans up from constantly whining......We don't have a number one WR,We shouldn't have traded Marshall,What are going to do at WR,Who's going to be our WR,Who do we have for Tannehill to throw the ball too.. OMG the sky is falling fans...

It wont shut 99% of them up...but they'll chicken little something else for a little bit... :D

I didn't think it would be necessary to put in a  ;D to show that I was joking.  Apparently I was incorrect.   But I did hear that they are going to make Gloria Estefan an assistant coach and that all season ticket holders will get a special Jennifer Lopez 3-D trading card where if you move the card back and forth just right, her ass jiggles.  Not that the Dolphins ever do things that reek more of show biz than football.

I don't care about celebrations. The NFL is overboard and plenty of people liked what Chad would do after scores.

As for the punch, it is what it is and ties to the other two I imagine. I really can't defend it. Saying he is in a Twitter war is an overassessment. Chad was called out by Harrison and responded. That wasn't much of a war. As for the whoop his ass thing. Maybe a bit overboard but taken in context, he was leaving Cincy and knew it. I'm not going to pretend to be in his head, but I take it as a sense of expression and blew it off. 've heard many people say in life, "I'm gonna whoop his ass the next time I see him" and there as no physical confrontations.

I'd sign up for season tickets if this were true... ;)

LOL....I know, right!  Maybe I'll contact the Dolphins front office and make that suggestion. 

And why, exactly, can we not make the same series of excuses for Brandon Marshall?

Miami traded away Brandon Marshall for a pack of gum and signed a washed-up version of him instead.  It's yet another example of the flailing ineptitude of Ireland and co.

Because Brandon's problems equate to shootings, surgeries, and legal troubles. They are completely different issues.

So then, Marshall would be a more acceptable risk if, instead of being stabbed by his wife, he had punched Sparano in the head?

Now here's an article for you.

Miami Dolphins have reason to take flyer on Ocho Cinco (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d829c0013/article/miami-dolphins-have-reason-to-take-flyer-on-ochocinco?module=HP11_headline_stack)

He *might* be better than Naanee, I'll give you that, but I don't want him around Miami because I don't think we really NEED him. To me, this signing smacks of not being realistic about what Miami is trying to accomplish this year. 2012 is not a playoff year for the Dolphins, it's a rebuilding year. When you are rebuilding you don't need guys like Chad Ocho Cinco posting crap on twitter. You just don't. I don't care what he posts, even if it's positive. Just shut the hell up and go out and play. That's what I want from the team in 2012. Now if Chad can DO that, I'll have no problem with him and I'll be more than happy to sing his praises, but if he starts running his mouth to HBO before the season even starts and then does very little in games, then he'll be EXACTLY what I think he is, a fading star that doesn't know when to keep his mouth shut.

Personally I'd rather see Miami give the young guys a shot, we have like 10 WR's already on the roster, we really needed another one, especially an older, fading WR that talks too much? No, we don't NEED him, but Philbin is starting to get a little worried about the receivers and panicked. I'm not really faulting the Dolphins for giving Chad a shot so much as I'm faulting them for not believing in what they were saying only a few weeks ago that they were happy with their WR's. So they drop a few passes in OTA's and Hartline has to miss a couple practices and they panic and sign Ocho Cinco? C'mon guys, have a little faith.

You're a glass is always half empty kinda guy huh?

Not to say Chad and Randy Moss are anything alike.. but, I remember the yr Moss had with the Raiders and people saying he was all washed up!  Fast forward the Pats pick him up and he has some good yrs with them... Chad has something how much I don't know but the Pats would not have held on to him if he didn't!  The issue has always been about his problems with learning the play book.

Um, I don't know if you noticed but the Pats cut him and they cut him prior to even putting on the pads this year. I think that should tell you a LOT.

I was speaking about last season and for most of the offseason... they could have let him go at any point last yr but, they didn't!  They initially planned on keeping him this yr with working a new deal otherwise why work the deal?

I think they signed him so he could teach the Dolphins the Patriots' playbook.

LOL.  Be kinda hard as he never learned it. 

And yet New England went out and signed several other FA WR's and cut Chad. What exactly does that tell you? I'm sorry, but it tells me they realized that Chad wasn't working out in New England and that's with Wes Walker, Tom Brady, Gronkowski etc as team mates. Is he an upgrade for Miami at WR over their 3rd or 4th best WR, yes he probably is, but I still wouldn't have done it.

A 6th round pick is a pack of gum. A pair of 3rd round picks are at least a large pizza and a 12-pack of Pepsi. Please refer to the international socio-culinary reference guide for future food comparisons.

Yes, switching to a team with a future HOFer at QB can do wonders for a receiver's career.

Hey, which team did Ochocinco play for last year, again?

With Pepperoni!

EXACTLY!!  I'd rather see them find a diamond in the rough with one of the young guys.

It's only a 1 year deal and if he stinks in camp (which is very very possible) they can cut him and its no harm no foul.

Ochocinco brings a circus type atmosphere and drama with him. But its not anywhere near the level of Brandon Marshall.  Ochocinco is on an upcoming reality show on VH1 getting married to his crazy girlfriend. He just finished guest appearances on his wife's reality show "basketball wives" where he was on a bunch of times. He will be on HBO Hard Knocks reality show. The guy's focus is on life after football more than current football. And his soon to be wife is a nut-job and a half. She is throwing wine bottles at people's heads in restaurants on the verge of always being arrested for assault, in legit fist fights all the time in public and such. So the next time she goes bat-shit crazy the headline will read "Wife of Miami Dolphins WR fights  blah blah blah..." or "Wife of Miami Dolphins WR is suing....blah blah blah." Whatever! Petty stuff, but always in the headlines. I mean that will be the headline because she is always in some sort of shit, constantly.

But  Brandon's issues are far more serious than Chad's, so you can't compare the two. The best way to describe it is Brandon's "issues" outside football get him on the police blotter and front page of the newspaper for serious crimes. While Chad's "issues" outside football get him on TMZ. Big difference.

I don't have a huge issue with the signing. But if you are going to sign an old WR on his last legs why not sign Plaxico instead? He is coming off a decent season, has stayed clean since being out of jail, he is bigger and probably more of an asset with his size as a player these days, he brings "less drama", and is more of a "threat" on the field as he was decent last year. While Chad is coming off a horrible season, brings reality TV cameras with him at all times, and you have to question if he even is motivated a bit for football.

Chad can win a spot like most everyone else. I think if its close between him and another young WR that they go with the kid because long-term Ochocinco has no future in Miami while the kid obviously does.

I wouldn't be surprised if Miami eventually brings in Plaxico too!    I was watching NFL network and Woody was saying Miami should bring in T.O also!  That was crazy... he made good points but that would really be a three ring circus!

This. This is why I don't like the signing. Let some up and coming WR have a shot at the roster spot over a fading WR. Build towards the future. Ochocinco makes sense in New England where he might be able to help them win the superbowl, he doesn't make sense in Miami where maybe he helps you win 1 meaningless game.

Bringing in a BUNCH of OLD WR's is counterproductive to the rebuilding they are doing at QB, o-line, RB,  and elsewhere on the roster.  It makes no sense. To give 1 guy (ocho) a shot to make the team and see if he has anything left, OK. To bring in another is just plain silly and stupid.

I think everyone is over reacting to the Chad signing!   He just brings a veteran to the group and experience... he's always been known as a good route runner and that's something they're prolly using him to help teach the young receivers we have on the roster...

925k no signing bonus,no guaranteed money upfront...Fully guaranteed contract week 1 of the season,Steep incentives could push it to 2 Mil..
Via twitter Ben Volin Ocho also got $0 signing bonus and $0 guaranteed. But full $925k salary is guaranteed if he is on Week 1 roster  (https://twitter.com/BenVolinPBP/status/212936797339140096)

The two million incentive Via Peter King Tuesday morning QB (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/06/12/chad.ochocinco/index.html)

Really? You really think they brought in Chad, signed him for zero guaranteed and zero bonus and made his contract fully guaranteed if he makes the roster and heavily incentive based, just so that he could teach the younger guys how to run the routes in an offense that he hasn't learned, so that they could cut him prior to the season? I don't think so. What's wrong with Davone Bess or Brian Hartline teaching the young guys how to run routes?

They signed Chad in the hopes that he'll play and be better than the 4th or 5th WR on the roster without him and they may be right about that, but he also might take up a spot on the roster that if Chad weren't there may have went to a BJ Cunningham, a Rishard Matthews, a Jeff Fuller or a Clyde Gates. Personally I'd rather have one of those guys for 2012 and beyond rather than Chad for 2012.

I wouldn't. Those guys suck. Period. They either never got on the field for meaningful time last year or were 6th or undrafted. And from OTA reports, they can't seem to hang on to the ball even if they run the route correctly. You want THAT over a multi time pro bowler?? -EK

The Dolphins fans are a funny lot...they complain about everything no matter what moves are made! 

Yep he got paid like an old scrub WR which he is. And he will have to earn everything he gets. If he does, god bless him and happy he is on the team and its a great signing at a great price. If he sucks (like he did in NE) then cut his ass and lose nothing.

WIN-WIN!

I wouldn't say Dolphins fans, I would change that to "certain people."

It's not complaining.  Its an attempt to gain understanding from a franchise that seems to be rebuilding, without rebuilding.

Yes, I'd rather have a guy that might be a future pro bowler over a guy who WAS a pro bowler but clearly ISN'T anymore, especially for this team. Chad's 34. Will he be the oldest guy on the roster? Again, he makes sense for a veteran team that needs a WR to get them to the superbowl which is what New England was hoping for, but he didn't even work for them. He doesn't make sense for a young rebuilding team unless it's important to you to win 8 games rather than 7.

Do you seriously think that Philbin is not aware of any of the facts you just stated?  It's his life... he's been coaching a long time!  If they brought him in they brought him in for a reason... they said they were happy with the receivers they had. Obviously, something has made them re-hatch that idea... Someone like Chad can make a difference on young receivers... they see his work ethic and pick up on it!  Everyone has said he's a hard working guy in practice including during his time in New England.   

Wait to see what takes place... stop trying to figure out what's going on!  It's not like you can do anything about it anyway!

All I said was is that I don't agree with the signing and I've tried to explain my reasons why. I don't expect anyone to agree with me, I'm not trying to convince you I'm right, I'm only trying to explain my thought process. I don't think Chad's going to hurt the teams chances or anything, in fact I doubt he'll have much impact at all and we'll all soon forget about the signing, but I wouldn't do it.

A lot of people in pro football with much more knowledge than you or I feel it's a good move... they are aware just like you and I that Chad is at the end of his career.  But, I remember Irving Fryer and Mark Ingram both coming here and having productive time when no one thought they'd be worth much either..

I'm just saying...  Even Lamar Thomas came here and provided us with some useful time late in his career!

Even knowledgeable people can be wrong sometimes.

They're aware of it, but I don't think they are really factoring it into their thinking. They are thinking short term it's a good move and it may very well be a good short term move, but I don't think it will help in the long run and I'd rather hold onto a young player that might help you win games for years and years over a guy that might have 1 good year left in the tank.

What you're missing is... it's easy to destroy a young players confidence!  There's a reason our receiving core has not had anyone step up!  Wallace, Moore, and Pruit have been around for yrs... they have talent but for some reason they aren't stepping up!  You can't keep hoping that they'll somehow get it and suddenly start producing...  Chad is only PIP/PD basic insurance... he's not expected to be full coverage!  He's here in hopes that he can help a WR core that obviously needs more time to develop than most thought...

Really? Which one of Miami's other receivers is a future pro bowler? Which one strikes fear in the hearts of opposing Ds? WORST ARGUMENT EVER! -EK

Not unlike the people who bitched incessantly about Henne, Moore, Sparano, Marshall, and every move the offense made for two years while giving all the team's success to a middle of the road defense?

In case no one has figured it out, I LOVE the Ochocinco pick up, so how is that complaining about "everything?" -EK

I don't know, maybe none of them are, but I don't believe that Ochocinco is either, so nothing gained by signing him.

It's been a LONG time since Ochocinco struck fear into opposing D's. Again, nothing gained by signing him. If we were getting the Ochocinco from 3 years ago you *might* have an argument, but that was 3 seasons ago and 2 teams ago, both of which have seen that he doesn't have what he had at one time and have replaced him with younger or better players. I think Miami should try to do the same.

I get that the money part is no big deal.  BUT, this will NOT be a win-win situation when Ocho starts detracting from pre season preparations with exploits of his night time excursions to the various south beach establishments.  With the contract offered Miami is pretty much saying we don't think you will be here week #1, and Ocho agreed to it for the publicity of Hard Knocks.  This is exactly why I was against the Hard Knocks show featuring Miami.

^^ I think you're very very off-base here.

You hate the guy cause he might go clubbing?  And somehow his night-time clubbing will be a distraction to the team?  Then, quite frankly, the coaching staff isn't doing their job.  You think the team signed him to make Hard Knocks more interesting?  Again, sorry, no one makes football decisions based on TV ratings.

I think you're really worried that he "might do this" or he will be "a distraction" when in fact, he might just be there to play football and accepted the deal because he's from Miami, and has publicly stated in the past that he grew up a Dolphins' fan and wants to play here.  Maybe, JUST MAYBE, he actually wants to play football. *gasp*

Not to mention he always strikes fear in his own teams OC.  Never know when he will do something stupid that will cost you 15 yards.

You are reading way too much into things. If you think the Fins gave a guy a contract knowing they will cut him prior to Week 1 then I think you are reading way too much into things.

They are giving an old WR a chance. If he can still "go" and be somewhat of a player then the Fins can use him. If not he will be cut. If he acts like an ass or acts up, he will be cut and there is little to no cap hit. Miami has nothing to lose here. And if the old WR can re-gain his form they get a decent (not great) player at a cheap price.

^^ His contract may keep him in line knowing that he's one act of foolishness away from being dismissed.  His career is over if that happens.

When I look at the Wr's still available,then factor a guy like Reggie Wayne (Same age) got 3 yr 17.5 mil..I sort of see Ocho as a bit of a steal....
He's not T.O,Plaxico,or Braylon Edwards...So for me,It's bonus points... :D

I'm always in favor of getting a bunch of unknown young guys,and let them fight to be a starter...

I don't hate the guy, he's just not what Miami needs.  For once lets go all in on rebuilding the team!!  Not a half a$$ed attempt to rebuild while keeping some fans happy with a few wins.  I think Miami has made some great progress with picks and aquisitions the last two years, and I think with their schedule they have wild card potential this year.  But every time Ocho is on the field it takes away from developing a possible starter that could be a LONG TERM help to the team.

Once he makes it through week #1 he's got his money.  Then he can do what he wants, and Miami would again look foolish to cut a guy mid season after paying him close to a million.  As for his career being over, do you really think there is more of a football career left???

WHy are you so dead-set certain convinced there's nothing left? -EK

Agreed.

Let the guy get on the field and then make those statements.  It's not like Miami has lost out on top flight FA wideouts BECAUSE of this signing.  I'm not understanding the risk, nor the outrage.

I'm not saying there's nothing left, in fact I think he's probably got a few game winning performances in him.  BUT, IMO he's not a long term benefit.

^^ The good thing is: he doesn't have to be.  He's 20% of the receiving corps.  You'll have 2 guys: Bess and Hartline, add Ochocinco for depth, and then 2 youngsters.  What's wrong with that?

^^^Because everytime Ocho is on the field it's that much less playing time to see if the youngsters are NFL material or not.  Instead of having Ocho win two games THIS YEAR, I'd rather see the youngsters play and see if THEY can win two games for the Fins.

Two or three games last year may have put Miami in the playoffs. Yeah, I'd hate to do that, instead of the team building up below average receivers. What was I thinking?? He doesn't have to be stellar for ten years. 3 years of solid play from him would be enough to build the rest of the WRs and win at the same time. It amazes me how many people were in favor of signing a 36 year old QB on the decline of his career, and who hasn't been healthy in three years, but somehow Ocho is getting all this hate. -EK

2 wins wouldn't have, not sure if 3 would have either and I'm not even sure that Marshall would account for a 3 game difference in the standings this year let alone Ochocinco. So if we are going to throw out crazy talk, then why stop there, why not believe that B.J. Cunningham or Rishard Matthews or Jeff Fuller could end up being rookie of the year and account for that 3 game swing? Is that any more far fetched then Ochocinco doing it? I think not.

And I think you should go take a look at Garrard's numbers from 2010. If Garrard can put up the same numbers this year for Miami that he put up in 2010 especially since he's now healthy, then Miami probably WILL make the playoffs this year. You CERTAINLY can't say that for Ochocinco last year when he was healthy and playing with one of the best offenses in football. The blinders you have on here is pretty astounding.

Blinders? You've got to be kidding. Connect the dots- Philbin came out on record and stated the current receivers couldn't catch anything that was thrown to them in OTAs, then suddenly Ocho is signed? It is beyond far-fetched to even think a WR who can't catch could be rookie of the year. -EK

I'm sure the rookies will get their fair share of playing time.  It just makes sure that Clyde Gates isn't our #3 wideout when we are running a WCO in the no-huddle.  Its important to have options.

I want to know if all the haters are going to eat crow when Chad ends up being the best receiver Miami has, or is it going to be Tebow all over again with me calling the playoff win and his performance or Marshall making the Pro bowl and everyone suddenly going silent??! -EK

I said that in regards to you comparing the signing of Garrard to the signing of Ochocinco. Compare the years that both of them had when they last played and there's NO comparison. Garrard didn't play last year because he was recovering from surgery, so all you can really go on is his 2010 stats which are pro-bowl quality.

Garrard: 236-366 64% 2,734 yards 7.5 yds/attempt 23 TD's 15 INT's 4 rushing TD's playing for the Cincinatti Bengals.

Ochocinco: 15-276 18.4 avg 1 TD playing for the New England Patriots.

I have already said that I'd be more than happy to say I was wrong about him if he exceeds my expectations. I'd actually enjoy doing that. Are you going to do the same when he turns in a 15 catch 250 yard season?

I'll do the same if he doesn't lead the team in two out of the three categories- receiving TDs, receptions and yards, how's that? -EK

Agreed, unless of course he does that with a 15 catch 250 yard season in which case we were BOTH wrong.

Looks like it's time to quit talking and go get the popcorn.   ;D

Seriously...THIS is why I love this game!!! Best of luck on that- as long as the team improves we both win!!! -EK

That depends on whether or not he actually has a good year.

If "the best Miami WR in 2012" ends up being anything like "the best Miami RB in 2004" or "the best Miami QB in 2007," then no, I won't be eating any crow.

That would be the same performance that got him traded for the equivalent of a early-fourth-round pick... two years after being drafted late in the first.  Yes sir, you called that one!

I don't even know what you're talking about here.

^^Perhaps that's because I wasn't talking to- or about you. It is actually OK for a thread to go about its business without Spider interjecting with a purpose of proving someone wrong.  ;) -EK

You were just talking about "everyone suddenly going silent" when Marshall made the Pro Bowl.  Who is this supposed "everyone"?

Just sayin, using Chad Johnson's stats from last year is silly. The guy actually STARTED 3 games, and hardly even saw the field the entire year. When he DID play how many times was he actually targeted before they benched him for the game? I saw a bunch of NE games, and to the best of my recollection, the guy was always on the sidelines. If you want to use stats use his last year in Cincy. Last year's stats are much more comparable to his rookie season with the Bengals.

If you want to use the "He's a retard because he couldn't learn the playbook" excuse, then so be it, but leave the stats out.

I agree.We LOSE Marshall, SIGN Ochocinco and now are gonna be 2 or 3 games better and in the playoffs? That doesn't make any sense. (by the way thats not HATING on the Ochocinco signing, that's just being realistic. I have no problem with the signing. I wouldn't have done it if I were in charge, but I have no beef with it.)

As much as i hate Marshall....Brandon is still a lot better than Ochocinco including all of Marshall's drops, stupid penalties, and dropped touchdowns. This logic is foolish.

And when the hell did OTA's become the standard to judge things? It's a bunch of guys in shorts running around with no contact in 2-3 day time spans in the middle of their offseason. Blanket statments like our WR's suck because they dropped balls in OTA's (mind you they have 3 different QB's throwing to them) is beyond foolish and silly. Until guys are hitting, the OTA's mean little. No rookie should be judged on anything in MAY and JUNE! Give them till training camp for crying out loud before throwing out the BUST label!

Exactly. NOBODY went silent! Once again someone is re-writing history. AS THE PRO BOWL GAME WAS BEING PLAYED I was on this very site congratulating Marshall as he was racking up the TD's.

Posts are archived/saved on this site. Very easy to check things. Some people make up their own a reality though. Pretty sad.

I kind of thiknk that is half of their point when they talk about the stats. He wasn't on the field for a reason.

Kind of summed up my feelings. Was I jumping for joy over this pick up.....no....was I upset about it....no. I felt about this the same way I felt about Tannehill.....I have my opinions on him but I want to see him play before I write him off or hype him up.

Ocho has to earn a roster spot let alone a starters spot. Would I be surprised if Ocho makes the team, nope. Would I be surprised if he is a starter, yep!

But Ocho like the rest of the rookies, scrubs, older players has to earn his spot. He isn't a proven player anymore who will be handed anything. Those days are over.

At the vet minimum I have NO PROBLEM letting him earn his spot. And if he acts up, cut his ass. It's just that easy. If he turns out to be a goofball, I don't care how many yards and TD's he has, they will cut him. If they did it with Brandon they will do it with Ocho for damn sure. Especially if the Fins are in the middle of the season and out of the playoff race for all purposes.

Went back and watched some video of Chad last yr in New England... Though he didn't play much.  In watching the video he still got decent separation and on several catches had his guy beat.  I know this doesn't change anything here with the argument... I've given up on debating the whole Ocho Cinco signing! 

It is what it is...

I agree. And I don't even understand the debate. Ocho is getting paid no money (football standards) and if he stinks its an easy cut with no cap hit. He can earn his spot like everyone else.  He played like a scrub last year and he is getting paid like a scrub this year. And he will be treated like a scrub by the Dolphins unless he shows/proves otherwise.

hopefully he works out better for you guys then he did for the pats.. he just couldnt learn the system. Most games he was getting yelled at by Brady.. and they also benched him a few games. Was kinda of sad, I was hoping that he could of helped the Pats. His stats were horrendous.. Maybe he will have a better shot with Miami.

I'm not saying this is an excuse for him not learning NE's system, but Welker had 1569/9TDs, Gronk went for 1327/17TDs, and Hernandez had 910/7TDs. Between them that was over 3800 yards and 33 TDs. There's only so many balls to go around. Brady only passed for another 1300 yards and 6 TDs. I wonder how much of Ocho NOT getting the game time or ball was a matter of NE simply having much better talent at the TE spot and not needing to even look beyond Welker? Just thinking out loud. -EK

That makes sense, but taken with some additional information we know wouldn't seem to be the case. Take into consideration the following:
1) Chad's production in 2010 in Cincy was slightly down from prior years and that was when his competition at WR was mainly just Terrell Owens and we see how far he has fallen lately. Chad was subsequently allowed to leave via free agency.
2) New England signed a couple of free agent WR's in the offseason and cut Chad. Why would they do that if they were happy with his play?
3) The rumors that Chad was having a hard time learning the offense in NE. Again, if they were happy with his play why the rumors that he was having a hard time learning the offense?

I hear that, but my counterpoints would be-
1. You can't really say "just" Terrell Owens when the guy had 900+ yards and 9 TDs for Cincy in only 14 games. He didn't really "fall" because of performance- it was injury.
2. Seems like NE was just kicking the tires on some of the guys they signed in the off-season, not really looking for- or at least expecting- all that much improvement. They already cut a few of those off-season pick ups. -EK

^^^^ still goes back to my earlier point.  If you consider Ocho, the Dolphin best WR, and BB doesn't consider him as good as some guys he is just kicking the tires or using as camp bodies then NE worst WR > Mia best WR. 
Add in Brady >>>>> 3 guys competing for Mia QB spot, and it isn't looking good for the Dolphins winning the division.   

I don't think anyone in their right mind is picking Miami to win the division. Until the secondary can stop somebody, they're going to fight for third place. -EK

well, i dont think OchoCinco could have a worse season this year as he did last season with the Pats. so that might be a good thing for us Miami fans. I think hes still got it, he can def help Miami in their passing game. I wish they never got rid of Marshall but what u gonna do. Maybe they should try to get Braylon Edwards too, that might be good. But no matter what the Dolphins will have a hard time replacing all those rec. and rec. yards Brandon Marshall put up for them last year. that sux

I think Chad will have a nice bounce back season to be honest...  simple fact, we don't have the superior mismatches of N.E.'s TE's.   I think with Bess working the slot and Chad on one side and the mismatch that Clay and Bush can present.. I think that gives Chad more wiggle room.

Kris Jenkins NOT a fan of Ochocinco

Former Jets defensive lineman Kris Jenkins, now a New York-area broadcaster, on Sirius XM Radio: “Chad Ochocinco is all about self. I don’t think [his act] has any positive place in football. It’s really in his best interests to stick to reality TV, instead of possibly weighing a team down because he wants to go out there and be pretty. It is definitely going to be to the detriment of the Miami Dolphins. They don’t have the type of talent to get things done.”


Little unfair of an assessment. While Chad does bring the circus-side show with him I would hardly call it a detriment to the team. He was on some good teams in Cincy and his antics didn't hurt them. He didn't hurt NE last year with off the field stuff. So whatever "antics" Chad does doesn't hurt the team. And if they did you have to go back many many years for an example.

^^^ I really don't think thats an unfair assessment, and I agree with it to a certain extent.  However, I get what your saying MikeO, and I hope (for the Dolphins sake) that Chad has matured.

I heard he's changing his name back to Chad Johnson.  Hopefully, that will bring back the fine receiving skills too.

Chad is getting married in 9 days to that lunatic reality star girlfriend of his. Expect to see his name alot between now and then in every tabloid, TMZ type website, and gossip column.

It's gonna be Ochocinco overload these next couple weeks.

just finished watching the NFL's top 100 players for 2012... It's so frustrating watching Wes Welker put up all those catches!  To know that this was our jem that we let go to New England of all teams...smfh!

Then to think we have Wes Welker 2.0 in Devon Bess and we don't use him properly just like when Welker was here.  He creates so many match up problems yet we barely used him last season.  I hope this is something Philbin utilizes.

Bess was one of the few players I heard Tony Sparano call out. Apparently he was not any kind of a homework guy and Tony said Bess really needed to step up his preparation for games. I think he had fallen out of favor a little bit.

If those are the news sources, I won't hear any of it. I really think we have found your guilty pleasure Mike. You seem to be up to date on all the happenings in the Basketball Wives as well as tabloids.  ;)

If this was the case... I still have a bit of a problem with that!  Bess was almost impossible to cover in the  slot..this used properly could have made the running lanes even larger for Reggie Bush.  Since we didn't use a FB anyway.. Bush would have had a lot more wiggle room and open field to catch passes out of the backfield.

Got to really thinking about the New England Pat's and their real need or lack there of for a #1 receiver.  I for one just don't see their need for a number 1.  With Welker and Gronk they have two guys that defenses can't match up with... You add Hernandez and there's only so many balls to go around!   You could put Megatron on that team and he'd be hard pressed to pull catches away from Welker and Gronk!   You can roll coverage to help take away a #1 but Gronk and Welker have too much room underneath to stretch a defense both horizontally and vertically...

^^ good point here, but I gotta believe that if you add someone the caliber of Calvin Johnson, or even Andre Johnson or Larry Fitzgerald, it would just be a 50+ TD season for Brady.  They'd give him 4-5 balls a game, all over 20 yards, many over 50 yards.  You'd see their offense adjust to account for the talent.

I'm sure they would also... I was just pointing out that they really don't need a Moss or Ocho-Cinco!   Belichick is always going to look into upgrading his talent... he's just not going to overpay for it!  He could have kept Chad or Moss..  I think it was more age related than they don't have anything to offer!  Just my opinion though...   

I agree, seems like they just didn't have space for those guys in their plans.  I get the feeling that they will want to keep the talent young.

So is Ochocinco his middle name now? LOL

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8191660/chad-ochocinco-miami-dolphins-says-last-name-johnson-again (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/8191660/chad-ochocinco-miami-dolphins-says-last-name-johnson-again)

By the way EK, should we wait till the end of the season or get this out of the way right now? :)

I was 100% absolutely wrong. Chad's poor play on the field and stupidity off the field prevented him from even getting to play one game. Good call! -EK

^^I was gonna let you slide on this, but thought you needed a slice of humble pie today.  ;)

As well you should have. -EK