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Title: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: EKnight on July 29, 2012, 12:10:03 pm
"Armando Salguero of the Miami Herald confirms the earlier report that free agent WR Braylon Edwards worked out for the Dolphins and says he has a "serious" chance of being signed.

Salguero also mentioned that the team is interested in disgruntled Mike Wallace, should be become available. It sounds like new coach Joe Philbin is quickly realizing that his team is very weak at wide receiver. Chad Johnson and Edwards could realistically end up starting for Miami this season. Davone Bess' slot role doesn't figure to change, making Brian Hartline the big loser if Edwards is signed and makes the 53-man roster. Jul. 29 - 10:57 am et"

http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3126&line=236611&spln=1

-EK


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Pappy13 on July 29, 2012, 12:21:48 pm
Pittsburgh won't give up Wallace easily and will be far more than Miami is willing to give up. Edwards is a possibility, but just like Chad Johnson, he'll have to show he can still make plays. Hartline isn't healthy right now, this sounds a lot more like trying to find someone in case Hartline isn't healthy to start the season.

I don't know why everyone is just assuming that Hartline is going to be the loser if Johnson plays. Bess had his playing time cut into last year, it could be Bess' playing time that is cut again. Now that's assuming that Hartline is healthy, because if he isn't then that will certainly change things.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: el diablo on July 29, 2012, 12:24:55 pm
Sign Edwards! They can't be any worse off. The reason Hartline might be a casualty, is the lack of use in the 4 wide formation. That's why I would see him being a "loser" in that situation.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Spider-Dan on July 29, 2012, 12:50:34 pm
Neither Edwards nor Ocho are going to be in the slot.
Bess is a better slot receiver than Hartline.
This obviously impacts Hartline.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Pappy13 on July 29, 2012, 01:47:33 pm
Neither Edwards nor Ocho are going to be in the slot.
True, but Edwards isn't even on the team and Ocho can play on the opposite side of Hartline if he starts and effectively take Marshall's spot, that doesn't necessarily impact Hartline. And they are going to be playing a west coast offense which doesn't really have a #1 and #2, so even if Ocho starts, Hartline's catches could still increase this year. Bess will get his catches from the slot that's a given, but how many is the question.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Landshark on July 29, 2012, 03:03:53 pm
They're looking at Edwards because Wallace will be too costly.  The Dolphins current receivers do not scare anyone.  I don't mind them bringing Edwards in, but he needs to earn a roster spot just like Ocho Cinco.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 29, 2012, 03:12:24 pm
Edwards (when healthy) can play and produce. His problem has always been between his ears and off the field. He's dumb and he is always in trouble. No two ways about it.

On the field I like him more than Ochocinco and think he has a much higher upside than Ochocinco at this stage in both of their careers so I wouldn't be upset by the move. If they sign Edwards he might be competing with Ochocinco for one spot actually. I don't know if they would carry both. I mean how many WR's are they gonna carry. You already got Hartline, Bess, Gates, Nanee, Ochocinco, Wallace, Pruitt, and Moore. Not to mention the rookies they drafted Cunningham and Matthews.

I would be surprised if they cut a bunch of kids and kept all old WR's. I don't see that happening.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: tubba marxxx on July 29, 2012, 03:16:30 pm
Chad Johnson and Braylon Edwards.  Would've been a nasty duo about 5 years ago..now it's nothing but question marks


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 29, 2012, 03:22:36 pm
Pittsburgh won't give up Wallace easily and will be far more than Miami is willing to give up.

A 3rd or 4th round pick is all it would take to land Wallace reports are saying. Because whatever team signs him would need to make him one of the higher paid WR's in the league. It's not about the draft pick its the contract.

Teams will either pay a guy or give up a lot of picks for a guy. Rarely do they do both!


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Landshark on July 29, 2012, 04:46:44 pm
A 3rd or 4th round pick is all it would take to land Wallace reports are saying. Because whatever team signs him would need to make him one of the higher paid WR's in the league. It's not about the draft pick its the contract.

Teams will either pay a guy or give up a lot of picks for a guy. Rarely do they do both!

Really?  I'm getting other reports that Wallace isn't even on the trading block.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/29/steelers-g-m-wallace-not-available-for-trade/


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Spider-Dan on July 29, 2012, 05:07:47 pm
True, but Edwards isn't even on the team and Ocho can play on the opposite side of Hartline if he starts and effectively take Marshall's spot, that doesn't necessarily impact Hartline.
The point is that acquiring Edwards would impact Hartline, for the reasons I just mentioned.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 29, 2012, 07:26:20 pm
Really?  I'm getting other reports that Wallace isn't even on the trading block.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/07/29/steelers-g-m-wallace-not-available-for-trade/

Well who to believe. There were a ton of rumors yesterday that he was on the block. The GM said today he isn't because he had to address all the stories out there. But that might be a ploy. Bottom line is for the right price he might be able to be had. Nobody knows


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 29, 2012, 07:26:51 pm
The point is that acquiring Edwards would impact Hartline, for the reasons I just mentioned.

Jeff Darlington is now reporting that there is no indication Miami will sign Edwards

Dolphins coach Joe Philbin confirmed during a Sunday media session that Edwards worked out for the team last Tuesday. According to NFL.com and NFL Network's Jeff Darlington, there is no indication that Edwards will be signed.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: EKnight on July 30, 2012, 09:16:19 am
Likewise it would seem with Wallace.

"Steelers wide receiver Mike Wallace isn't going anywhere this year. That's the word out of Steelers training camp, where general manager Kevin Colbert told ESPN's Ed Werder on Saturday, "Mike Wallace is not available for trade."
 
This ends speculation that the Steelers were going to move Wallace after signing wide receiver Antonio Brown to a five-year, $42.5 million extension on Friday."

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/51494/steelers-are-right-in-not-trading-wallace


-EK


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Brian Fein on July 30, 2012, 10:24:54 am
After all the crap Edwards talked about the Dolphins after they passed on him to draft Ronnie Brown, why would he want to sign here?

Personally, no thanks.

He has suspect hands, and with our QB ad sub-par as it is, we can't afford another big time WR with questionable hands.

There are 12 WR's in camp right now.  I'd rather roll with Hartline and Johnson and give BJ Cunningham or Julius Pruitt a shot.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: miamid45 on July 30, 2012, 11:23:50 am
Go with the young guys...don't need another head case overthehill WR....CJ is enough!


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Pappy13 on July 30, 2012, 12:10:46 pm
I'd rather roll with Hartline and Johnson and give BJ Cunningham or Julius Pruitt a shot.
Haven't heard much about Cunningham lately and earlier the talk was that he dropped too many passes. Think Jeff Fuller might have a better shot at making the team than BJ.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on July 30, 2012, 03:29:24 pm
After all the crap Edwards talked about the Dolphins after they passed on him to draft Ronnie Brown, why would he want to sign here?

Why would it matter?  It is not like Joe Philbin passed on him it was Saben. 


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 30, 2012, 04:18:17 pm
Haven't heard much about Cunningham lately and earlier the talk was that he dropped too many passes. Think Jeff Fuller might have a better shot at making the team than BJ.

Omar Kelly reported that Cunningham, Matthews, and Fuller have gotten few reps in training camp and had few in mini-camps and when they are on the field getting time, all of them drop a lot of balls. Although I read a report that Fuller had a very good day today, but still.

I think 1 or 2 make the practice squad. The other(s) get cut. Early reports aren't promising at all on any of these 3


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Pappy13 on July 30, 2012, 05:58:39 pm
Omar Kelly reported that Cunningham, Matthews, and Fuller have gotten few reps in training camp and had few in mini-camps and when they are on the field getting time, all of them drop a lot of balls. Although I read a report that Fuller had a very good day today, but still.

I think 1 or 2 make the practice squad. The other(s) get cut. Early reports aren't promising at all on any of these 3
Omar tweeted the other day during practice that he didn't see any way that Fuller didn't make the 53 man roster. I think that was the day that he had a good day, but still I think Fuller has done better than the others have.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Dolphster on July 31, 2012, 10:55:00 am
Chad Johnson and Braylon Edwards.  Would've been a nasty duo about 5 years ago..now it's nothing but question marks

Agreed.  I tend to look at the Fins through rose colored glasses since I'm such a homer.  But when I try to be objective about it, I think that the signing of Ocho-, er, Johnson, and giving serious consideration to Braylon is a pretty strong signal that the Fins don't have a good group of receivers and that they are grasping at straws trying to find solutions. 


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Pappy13 on July 31, 2012, 11:15:56 am
Agreed.  I tend to look at the Fins through rose colored glasses since I'm such a homer.  But when I try to be objective about it, I think that the signing of Ocho-, er, Johnson, and giving serious consideration to Braylon is a pretty strong signal that the Fins don't have a good group of receivers and that they are grasping at straws trying to find solutions. 
That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is since they haven't given Braylon Edwards a contract when he appears to be healthy that would indicate that Miami isn't as desperate as it would appear and were just checking him out. I think what has them the most worried is that Hartline hasn't been able to practice much. Once he finally gets healthy and if he's able to show the coaches he's capable which I fully expect, I think they'll relax a bit. While they haven't upgraded the receivers this year, if Chad Johson can make up some of the slack left by getting rid of Marshall and Clay, Egnew and Lamar Miller can make up the rest, they're in no worse shape then they were last year. You don't have to replace one high priced WR with another high priced WR. You can replace him with several more reasonably priced players and potentially be better off.


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on July 31, 2012, 11:30:27 am
would indicate that Miami isn't as desperate as it would appear and were just checking him out.

Or another way to look at it is they realize they are more than "one piece away".  Edwards is one of those aging expensive FA that you sign if you think he is that one last guy you need to win it all. (e.g. Eagles mode last year).

By not signing Edwards you give more reps to players that you hope will be with you long term. 

Bill Parcells likes to sign Edwards type players.  But it is not the way they do things in Greenbay.

My speculation.  Ireland (a Parcells guy) invited him in for the work out.  JP (a greenbay guy) said no thanks. 


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: Dolphster on July 31, 2012, 12:26:35 pm
That's one way to look at it. Another way to look at it is since they haven't given Braylon Edwards a contract when he appears to be healthy that would indicate that Miami isn't as desperate as it would appear and were just checking him out. I think what has them the most worried is that Hartline hasn't been able to practice much. Once he finally gets healthy and if he's able to show the coaches he's capable which I fully expect, I think they'll relax a bit. While they haven't upgraded the receivers this year, if Chad Johson can make up some of the slack left by getting rid of Marshall and Clay, Egnew and Lamar Miller can make up the rest, they're in no worse shape then they were last year. You don't have to replace one high priced WR with another high priced WR. You can replace him with several more reasonably priced players and potentially be better off.

I hope you are right and I'm wrong.  Dolphins success is much more important to me than being right in my assumptions.  LOL


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: bsfins on July 31, 2012, 12:48:20 pm
Edwards is signing with Seattle...
Armando Salguero
Braylon Edwards signs with Seattle. Source close to him says Edwards was talking to two teams -- Seahawks and Dolphins. (https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/230341785870811136)


Title: Re: Braylon Edwards to be a Dolphin??
Post by: MikeO on July 31, 2012, 04:23:02 pm
Edwards is signing with Seattle...
Armando Salguero
Braylon Edwards signs with Seattle. Source close to him says Edwards was talking to two teams -- Seahawks and Dolphins. (https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/230341785870811136)

Plaxico "BANG BANG" Burress is still out there! lol