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Title: Hard Knocks
Post by: MikeO on August 07, 2012, 10:59:12 pm
Typical Hard Knocks show. Get a lot of neat behind the scenes footage but learn very little of anything important.

Only thing that stood out was man did they make Vontae Davis look like a dog! Out of shape, can't focus, bathroom breaks in the middle of a walk-through. Head coach laughing about that saying he is in his 50's and can control his bladder better.

We now understand why Richard Marshall passed him on the depth chart.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Brian Fein on August 08, 2012, 01:02:30 am
They sure did make Vontae look like chump #1 on the show.

I think they did Chad some justice, I kinda have high hopes. He seems like he's there to work, and not just clown around. Let's hope...


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Dave Gray on August 08, 2012, 10:24:12 am
I loved the first episode and agree that Vontae looks the worst.

I really like Matt Moore.  Also, Philbin has a style that I like.

That one dude getting cut before camp started is heartbreaking.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Brian Fein on August 08, 2012, 10:25:29 am
I felt so bad for that guy.  They started out showing how excited he is and happy to be there and determined to work hard, and the next scene, they are sending him packing. 


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Phishfan on August 08, 2012, 10:31:44 am
I was happy to see it. I have mixed feeling on Philbin after the episode. I like how he has practice going, but I just look at the guy and keep thinking how much he reminds me of Larry Coker. Hopefully he gets better reactions from the players.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: mecadonzilla on August 08, 2012, 12:01:21 pm
Am I missing any vital Dolphins knowledge by not watching?



Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: bsfins on August 08, 2012, 12:46:26 pm
I loved it,especially being someone not able to go watch practices...I really didn't know much about coach Philbin,and seeing Jeff Ireland interact with the coaches,etc,etc...was very interesting...

Did I learn anything,earth shattering...No but I didn't expect too.It's a lot like watching the Miami Dolphins NFL yearbook about the previous year,I don't learn anything really,but I love it...

Did Ireland have a Tony Sparano signed Dolphins helmet on the top shelf of his office? (The shot like from behind his desk towards the door) When Braylon Edwards walks,I think is when I noticed it..The helmet is in the very Top left of the screen....

If it is,I thought it was sort of an odd thing to see,especially with Tony now with the Jets...


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Brian Fein on August 08, 2012, 12:48:04 pm
Vital, no.
Interesting, absolutely.

Wanna know why Vontae is 2nd string on the latest depth chart?  The show made it pretty clear.

If nothing else, it gives you some insight into why decisions are being made, and mitigates the fan-base's constant second guessing of everything.

I actually like Philbin a bit more after the show.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: suck for luck on August 08, 2012, 01:45:41 pm
How many eps are there and when do they air? I assume one ep/week.

And when will I be able to watch for free?


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Dave Gray on August 08, 2012, 01:50:41 pm
Am I missing any vital Dolphins knowledge by not watching?

No.  The show is kind of like a prequel to the news you see during the week.  As Brian said, you see why things happened...but not THAT they happened.

The most interesting thing, football-wise, that I learned from the show was Philbin's practice philosophy.  It's reps, reps, reps.  He and the other coaches stand at the 50 yard line, with a full A squad and B squad.  Then, he watches A squad make a play, turns around and B squad is ready to go.  It gets them almost double the plays out, making the Fins run more plays in practice than any other team in the NFL.

Vontae was unable to keep up with the pace, thus he dropped on the depth chart.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on August 08, 2012, 01:58:37 pm
I really enjoyed the episode last night. Was surprised at how out of shape Vonte was and I really enjoyed Chad Johnson on the show last night. The bit with him and Bush playing FIFA was pretty funny and his media interview cracked me up. Chad also looked pretty decent in camp which is a good thing.

I really want to get that Orange Dolphins polo that Ireland was wearing last night.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Dave Gray on August 08, 2012, 02:47:13 pm
My favorite part of the episode, by far, was when Johnson walked in the coaches meeting and asked for a chair.  And everyone looked around like "WTF???"


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on August 08, 2012, 03:24:12 pm
^^^
Yeah that was funny as hell!!!!


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: MikeO on August 08, 2012, 05:05:29 pm
Am I missing any vital Dolphins knowledge by not watching?



Not really. Only thing that stood out that "matters" is that Vontae Davis was out of shape, laughing about it on the sideline saying he was "acting" like he was in shape, Vonate getting a talking too/verbal lashing by his position coach saying that it looks like he doesn't even care on the field, and Vonate looking like a total dog of a player.

He isn't going to get cut, but he is in the final year of his contract I believe I heard on Joe Rose this morning and unless he has a major attitude adjustment I don't know if the Fins spend big bucks to keep him past this year. These coaches didn't draft him and Ireleand didn't even have final say on his pick so maybe Parcells called that one so even Ireland might have no ties to him. Vernon, his brother, was the same way in SF a few years back and turned his life/career around, hopefully the same happens for Vontae.  But it better happen quick if he wants to stay in Miami past this year.

Why give Vontae big bucks when you will have WR's Bowe and Wallace on the market and you can use that money on them and fill a need at the same time.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: MikeO on August 08, 2012, 05:13:28 pm
I thought the best part was when Tannehill came to camp for his 1st day of practice and Philbin gave a genuine raw emotion of shock and amazement at how well he was throwing the ball and playing.  When he turned his back almost like he forgot he was on camera and mic'd and whispered to Sherman his thoughts on Tannehill. Just "WOW"...lol

Philbin is gonna be a star after this show. Comes off very likeable, in charge, fair-but-firm approach. He reminds me of a gentler version of Tom Coughlin. America will fall in love with Joe Philbin. Now that doesn't mean he can or will be a successful head coach, but he comes off as the most likeable down to earth guy and it pops off the TV screen. People will want to root for him. And they didn't even touch on the sad story of his son dying, if they do at all over the next month America (and I am guessing they will with the Andy Reid story now) people are really going to fall in love with him!


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: bsfins on August 08, 2012, 05:36:54 pm
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Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: Landshark on August 08, 2012, 08:59:54 pm
Not really. Only thing that stood out that "matters" is that Vontae Davis was out of shape, laughing about it on the sideline saying he was "acting" like he was in shape, Vonate getting a talking too/verbal lashing by his position coach saying that it looks like he doesn't even care on the field, and Vonate looking like a total dog of a player.

He isn't going to get cut, but he is in the final year of his contract I believe I heard on Joe Rose this morning and unless he has a major attitude adjustment I don't know if the Fins spend big bucks to keep him past this year. These coaches didn't draft him and Ireleand didn't even have final say on his pick so maybe Parcells called that one so even Ireland might have no ties to him. Vernon, his brother, was the same way in SF a few years back and turned his life/career around, hopefully the same happens for Vontae.  But it better happen quick if he wants to stay in Miami past this year.

Why give Vontae big bucks when you will have WR's Bowe and Wallace on the market and you can use that money on them and fill a need at the same time.

I agree.  When all is said and done, Vontae comes across as being out of shape, immature, and unprofessional.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: MikeO on August 08, 2012, 09:50:37 pm
I agree.  When all is said and done, Vontae comes across as being out of shape, immature, and unprofessional.

And Vontae has a bladder like a female tennis player asking for a bathroom break. Philbin said it best, he is 51 years old and needs to go to the bathroom every hour but finds a way to make through a 75 min practice without needing a bathroom break! lol lol


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: cuzzy on August 08, 2012, 11:44:43 pm
What I took at of the show as a Giants/Saints fan all of my life was:

I agree Chad Johnson is going to be a big pickup in the offseason, if and only if, he can just shut his mouth like last season.

I think you guys for once, have the right coach.  He's a player's coach but I feel that he missed with chad during the one on one a key point.   During the press conference (with which I found hilarious/tongue and cheek) that Philbin during the one on one could have established a foothold on the relationship between coach and new receiver.

Am i wrong by saying philbiln shoud have said, "chad this is the dolphins, our new organization, and by you dropping 6 or 7 fbombs, you were wrong.  If you continue ONCE more with you actions, you will be gone."  I know he looked great, and I am rooting for you guys, but he sort of treaded the line there.  Chad goes into that press confernce saying how big a difference beliacheck made by keeping him under check but then he shit's allover the the present organization by  his actions.

We'll see how that plays out.  As usually Fasano is playing great. No tight end is even close to him.  I played golf this summer with Jake Long and specifcally asked him why people continually shit on him in your area.    He said quote" miami fans want the 2nd coming of antonio gates, they aren't getting that with anthony, but we know that when it comes to blocking runs, protecting the qb, and then catching passes/td's, he's right up there.  It's a contract year for him and I expect a huge year for him.  I Miami doesn't sign him, something is really wrong with orignaizaiton.  I expect a big year for you guys and I'm rooting big for you this year.  I'll be at the tennesee game in novemmber this year. 


Go fish!


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: fyo on August 10, 2012, 07:49:17 pm
Am i wrong by saying philbiln shoud have said, "chad this is the dolphins, our new organization, and by you dropping 6 or 7 fbombs, you were wrong.  If you continue ONCE more with you actions, you will be gone."  I know he looked great, and I am rooting for you guys, but he sort of treaded the line there.  Chad goes into that press confernce saying how big a difference beliacheck made by keeping him under check but then he shit's allover the the present organization by  his actions.

Yeah, I think you're wrong ;). Taking a handful of f-bombs to that level would be grossly exaggerating its impact. Telling the guy to tone it down is fine, since he is representing the Dolphins, but anything else would be premature at this point.

I like how Chad Johnson's wife cut him off last season when he was playing poorly. Not sure if true, but funny nonetheless.


Title: Re: Hard Knocks
Post by: MikeO on August 10, 2012, 09:52:46 pm
Yeah, I think you're wrong ;). Taking a handful of f-bombs to that level would be grossly exaggerating its impact. Telling the guy to tone it down is fine, since he is representing the Dolphins, but anything else would be premature at this point.

I like how Chad Johnson's wife cut him off last season when he was playing poorly. Not sure if true, but funny nonetheless.

I think with Chad it's a case of  believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.