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The Miami Dolphins made a few roster cuts today. Here is who they cut as of this morning.

RB-Jerome Messam
TE-Les Brown
CB-Jonathan Wade
CB-Marcus Brown
S-Tyrell Johnson
DT-Chas Alecxih
LB-Josh Linham
DE-Jacquies Smith
RB-Jonas Gray was also put on PUP

No surprises at all.

Too bad for Messam.  He looked like a bruiser but he got hurt then was outplayed by Lane.

Wade I have no sympathy for.  Got burnt twice last night for long touchdowns. 

I have sympathy for anyone who loses their job and shot at their dream.  I imagine none of them were shocked, but I am sure it was still hard to accept.

I agree its a tough thing to undergo, but frankly I'm not surprised.  Wade supposedly was ahead of Nolan Carroll at one point and was having a great camp.  Then when the lights came on, he was constantly being toasted.  The same deal for certain receivers and tight ends on thus team who have one chance of surviving the final cuts.

Mike Sherman with a great quote today on our WR's

 "I think we’ll keep Bess. I can pretty much guarantee that, but there’s only one of him."

The problem with judging Miami's secondary is that it's going up against Miami's offense in practice. And vice versa.

I read that too and thought "oh sh*t!"  These WRs have not stepped like they would have liked them too. Hartline needs to get off the shitter.  I know he's had the calf problem, how long has this been going on?  Really it's hampering the WR corps.

Here's a list of the free agent receivers still available.

Plaxico Burress
Mike Sims-Walker
Roy Williams
Patrick Crayton
Lee Evans

If the Dolphins really want a chance to win, they need to dump every receiver they have (except Bess) and sign all five of these guys.

Hartline put on spikes this morning and did more work than usual and upgraded his rehab some. He is getting closer it seems. Or he is giving it one last test before he is put on IR for the season. It's one of the two.

I doubt they sign any of the names above (not sure they have the cap space for it really) although they might grab a couple guys that GB cut if they fall to them on the waiver wire. Rich Gannon thinks GB has 7 legit WR's and will have to cut at least 2.

That would be an eye-opener and hilarious as well!!!  You may be on to something here, how could you go wrong with signing all or even half of these guys?  Our current WRs corps (excluding Bess) is not going to help Tannehill this year.  All blame will be heaped on his shoulders if he doesn't produce in the passing game.

Marlon Moore & Roberto Wallace have been given 2 years to develop and I haven't seen that investment worth it yet.

If it were me, I'd keep Bess, Hartine and the 3 rookies Fuller, Cunningham and Matthews. Everyone else I'd cut. Then I'd look for 1 more guy off the waiver wire. Pruitt, Wallace, Moore and Naanee have not shown to be reliable and they've had plenty of chances. Let the rookies try to develop along with Tannehill.

Time to face reality. This team is in rebuilding mode.

It isn't breaking news that they are rebuilding. I am shocked so many people are surprised by this notion and are just realizing it now. Or it took meaningless preseason games (which I still am shocked so many of you take seriously and put so much into them.) They are starting a rookie QB and have a rookie head coach. What were people's expectations like 2 months ago, playoffs? Seriously. The whole notion and thought process of playing Tannehill now is to let him take his lumps, make his mistakes, learn on the field and be ready to hit the ground ready next year when Miami has some $40 mill or whatever the huge number is to spend in free agency to re-load with players that fit Philbin's system.

Fuller, Pruitt, and Matthews; all 3 won't make the 53.  Fuller has practice squad written all over him. The other 2 might be fighting for one roster spot. But once these other teams start making cuts Miami will grab up a couple guys and this WR corp won't look anything like it does now. I could see at least 2 new faces on the roster by the Week 1 game at WR.

On blaming Tannehill, look only people with low football IQ's who aren't looking at the big picture or just flat out refuse too because they hated the pick from day 1 will blame him. Or he will get blamed by some fans who are just idiots, and yes a lot of fans are idiots and you can't take them seriously. There are fans who don't think Marino is a great QB because he never won a ring, do you take them seriously? Of course not they are idiot fans.  Now, if Tannehill is throwing god awful INT's and such, then yeah blame him, I will be doing that some if it's legit!!  But to blame him if there are drops or the team loses, or WR's aren't getting open, that is silly.  The other night Miami had 8 drops, is that Tannehill's fault? Seriously, his numbers would have looked a little different if even half of those were caught let alone all 8. There might be a lot of moments like that this year. You don't grade Tannehill this year strictly on passing yards and TD passes and the teams Win/Loss record. Look at Peyton Manning's rookie year, nuff said! It wasn't f'n pretty!!  Yes you factor in the numbers of course but they won't tell the whole story because he has no help on this roster. With Tannehill if he keeps the turnovers at a minimum and by December has most if not all of his mistakes corrected and is playing well (despite actually winning and losing) you at least have hope going into next year that he is the man of the future to lead this team at the most important position in all of professional sports!

I'm not talking about us MikeO, I think we have known it for awhile, I'm talking about Philbin, Ireland, Sherman etc. They need to come out and admit that this isn't a playoff football team and start treating this as a rebuilding project. I don't want to see them going after a bunch of over of the hill WR's in an attempt to shore up the WR corp. Bring in one guy you believe in maybe and keep the rookies and let them learn how to play just like Tannehill. It's time to roll up your sleeves and get dirty. Start teaching the young guys how to play even if they aren't the best players on the team today. If it takes 8 games and you're 1-7, so be it. If if takes 16 games and you're 2-14 so be it, but DO IT!

And yes I know that's not really realistic because you can't do that to the other 48 guys on the roster, but that's what NEEDS to be done. That's what I would do and I'd tell the other 48 guys to be patient and if they don't like it, well tough that's what needs to be done. We can't keep waiting for guys like Moore, Wallace, Naanee and Pruitt to step up. They've had their chance and they haven't done it. Let's give someone else a chance.

On blaming Tannehill, he also had an interception, would have had a second one if Gates hadn't broken it up, and is telegraphing everything he throws. He's not ready. The NFL game is faster than he's used to, and your head's in the sand if you don't see that. -EK

Pappy you are a smart guy, what head coach does that prior to 1 game being played before the season. In the history of sports name one time that has happened? Seriously! As they say on ESPN...COME ON MAN!


They Haven't! And show no signs of doing so. Hell they didn't sign Braylon!

Watch Andrew Luck and RGIII. Same things are being said about them right now.  They call it "growing pains" for a reason!

Maybe it's time we start a new trend. Telling the truth for once instead of worrying about what everyone thinks. I'm tired of hearing the likes of Vontae and Dansby spout off about how good they are, maybe someone needs to tell them that they stink every once in a while to keep their giant ego's in check. There were coaches at one time that weren't afraid to speak their mind, unfortunately honestly has become a dirty word these days.

Good way to get a team to quit on you as well. Give up publicly before the season starts.

Or maybe it's a good way to find out who's a man and can take some honesty. I didn't say give up either, I said be honest and state that you're not just gonna make the team because you've been here 3 years. State that you're gonna give some guys a shot that haven't had a shot and see if they can step up. All of those guys have had 3 or more years to prove they were NFL ready and they haven't done it. Tell them "Sorry you might be better than so and so, but you've had 3 years and he hasn't had any, I'm giving him a shot".

Pappy we can agree to disagree on this but going public with such stuff before the season is not a way to run a franchise. You can be honest with the players behind closed doors but you don't go public with that stuff. Honesty is one thing, airing dirty laundry is another. Nothing good comes from that.

Though everyone saw it coming, Les Brown getting cut is kinda sad to me.  I know he wanted it badly, but even more than that, I hate to see the guys that have their heads on straight, wanting to be the first one in/last one out, get cut because they just don't have the talent.

It's a sad reality, but a reality nonetheless.

Now that we traded Vontae for draft picks next year can we say we are rebuilding? No still not yet? I'm sorry, but it's just silly for Philbin to continue to say with a straight face that it's not a rebuilding year.

What value comes from saying it? Nothing good. You know, I know, everyone knows we are rebuilding. Saying it just keeps fans away (franchise loses money) and gives the players a reason to quit and use it as an excuse. Nothing positive comes from saying it publicly.

They DID say it publicly the minute they announced Tannehill as the starter with no one to throw the ball to. -EK

Exactly correct, you don't air your dirty laundry in public.  If Philbin did what Pappy wants him to then every sports reporter in the country would be making him, and the Dolphins, out to be fools.  Talk about players not wanting to play for a certain team.

I think Les Brown was in a position where he was "first one in/last one out" because he didn't have the talent... like that would give him bonus points.  (I believe one of the coaches mentioned something to this effect.)

What good comes from insisting that it's NOT a rebuilding year? At least stop doing that. Say that you are gonna let the season play out and see how it goes. Say that you believe you have the talent to compete, but the players have to make plays or it's going to be a long season, etc. Say something within reason. Set some reasonable expectations for your fans because while you may not look silly now saying it's not a rebuilding year, people aren't as stupid as you think and at the end of the year, you are gonna look really stupid when you end up 4-12. And if you do end up 8-8 or something you can say that's a start, that you look to build on that next year, etc. I don't think any of you are giving the fans enough credit. I don't think any more are going to show up to the game because you SAY it's not a rebuilding year and I don't think any less are going to show up if you say it is. Personally I think they have already started to look silly stating that they are not rebuilding and then trading Vontae for future draft picks. What the hell are we supposed to believe, that this makes the Dolphins BETTER? C'MON MAN!!!

I have a bad feeling the Les Brown thing is gonna bite us in the ass down the road.  Someone (cough Belicheck) is going to move him to reciever so we can watch him torch our DB's collective asses for the next decade.  Like the whole Wes Welker thing wasn't enough.

Edited to add

Plaxico Burress:  Old.  Character issues.  If you're going to sign him you might as well have kept Brandon Marshall
Lee Evans:  Old.  Wasn't all that big a deal to begin with.
Mike Sims-Walker:  Might be worth kicking the tires, but Jacksonville cut his ass AND he's still unsigned.  How good can he be?
Roy Williams:  Character issues, wasn't worth a shit to begin with.
Patrick Crayton:  See Lee Evans.

Which speaks to rule #2 in implementing a pass oriented offense. If you're going to get rid of your #1 receiver, then you better have another one lined up. When you hope, you get what we have now.

Completely agree. Even if it's a rebuilding year, Tannehill needs SOMEBODY to throw to if he's going to develop at all. The group of scrubs Miami has is awful. Even Bess would be a #3 at best on most teams. -EK

We can't go through this for every receiver we cut until Belichick retires.  With Hogan, I could see it.  If Belichick wants to turn lead into gold with Les Brown, let him try.

Word is he couldn't shake linebackers in coverage. Moving to wide receiver is a pipe dream if you ask me. The guy has no NFL future.

Dolphins released Julius Pruitt Meaning Chris Hogan is still around.

 Little surprising honestly because Pruitt was a special teams ace. Maybe one of their better special teams players on the roster.

Mike-O beat me to it.  Miami is currently at 75 players.  They need to be at 53 by Friday

Adam Beasley reporting Miami could add in the ballpark of 10 new players once roster cuts are made late this week. Which is an insane number for a team to do.

Barry Jackson reported Miami is trying Marcus Thigpen out at WR now too.

If I'm on the Bubble,I'd not do any individual in depth interviews with the Hard knocks crew  this week...

(I've probably gotten a couple of the weeks mixed up in the middle)

Week one -Chad Johnson--->> Gone
week 2 - Reggie Bush Safe
Week 3 -Vontae Davis ---->> Gone
Week 4 - Les Brown,Chas Alecxih ---->>> Gone
Week 5 -

I'm joking around...We know a lot of these guys are getting cut...

I'm sure they do in-depth interviews with nearly every player, and only show the ones that are relevant to the narrative they frame for that week's show.

OK.  So now the question is who stays and who goes.

stay close to your computer Sat and Sunday. Miami is gonna get down to 53, then they are gonna probably make another 8-10 moves after that picking up other guys that were cut. Gonna be a busy weekend.

Print the team roster and make your own cuts.  It becomes pretty easy to jettison marginal talent.

Very busy.  Just because a guy still has a job on Saturday doesn't mean he will be on the roster for the Houston game.  Same deal with the guys who were playing late in the game last night.  Just because you don't have a shot of making the team you're currently on doesn't mean another team won't pick you up.  All you have to do is look good on tape.

While not a headcoach, the GM for the Colts basically said that last year.   

And he was fired. Thanks for making my point.

If the Fins are true to their recent history, they will just pick up everyone that Dallas cuts.  They will all be horrible of course.  But the Fins will pick them up anyway. 

Actually I expect the Dolphins to pick up Green Bay's castoffs

^^I don't know why, Philbin didn't go after Flynn that hard. At this point this seems to be pure speculation since he hasn't really "gone after" any of Green Bay's players yet. Not saying he won't, I just don't see any reason to believe he will at this point.

He probably knows which ones are studs and which ones are duds.

Fins Cut Ryan Baker

Fins TRADED Ryan Cook

DE Jamaal Westerman was CUT

Clyde Gates, BJ Cunningham have been CUT according to Barry Jackson

LB Cameron Collins was CUT

surprised by gates... not that he was good, but ireland was holding him up last year as the model for having a good draft. remember him raving about how they were adding "playmakers with speed" to the team.

what a joke...

He fit the old style offense of power football play action deep pass. This new offense of routes, cuts, and timing isn't for Gates

WR Roberto Wallace was cut (THANK GOD)

Wallace surprises me.  Gates a little bit but not really.  He had speed but can't catch.

Wallace sucks, he has had years to prove himself. Time ran out

^^ sure, but on a team with NO WR's, he seemed to be the go-to guy in preseason games.  With him an Pruitt gone, it seems like Marlon Moore saved his roster spot.

i don't think he fits any nfl offense... the guy sucks.

Fins cut LB Gary Guyton

Thanks for the updates Mike.  I am watching this thread like a hawk now.

^^^^ around 11am I gotta go do a few things so someone else will have to take over! lol

Just a thought, but is anyone else troubled by having dumped three guys for "character" problems and then working out a receiver in Stallworth who has a manslaughter conviction from a DUI? This puzzles me. I know all three of the other guys had major problems, but damn, Stallworth KILLED SOMEONE. -EK

CB Vincent Agnew was cut

1) It was only a workout. They haven't signed him
2) Stallworth was a 1 time thing, paid his debt to society, and it is behind him. He has been clean since.
3) Stallworth isn't a locker-room cancer, DIVA WR, or trouble maker

Until they sign him its just the organization looking over things. Like they did with Braylon Edwards.

Ok, fair enough. What about Sims-Walker. He seemed to just fall of the face of the earth after a couple of really good seasons. Wonder if he has anything left. Everyone knows Miami is rebuilding, but getting some sure hands for Tannehill should be a priority for his development, even if they're one year deals. -EK

They worked him out too. I am guessing those guys are fall-back plans incase a James Jones trade doesn't happen or they can't find anyone else off the waiver wrie.

They are also probably Week 2 additions because then their contracts won't be guaranteed for the entire season

Smart, smart, smart! Would love to see Jones in Miami. Hard work ethic is usually contagious. -EK

That's because the whole "character" nonsense is a transparent lie.  If Miami had the opportunity to get James Harrison or Ndamukong Suh on the cheap, Ireland wouldn't be able to sign that deal fast enough.

The moment that they brought in Ochocinco (after trading Marshall for a set of gently used tires), this much should have been obvious.  Ireland didn't want to man up and admit that he messed up when he traded for (and received) the player that was already on film in Denver: good YAC, good between the 20s, low scoring, volatile personality.  And "character" was his easy excuse.

Also, Stallworth didn't do it with malicious intent.  He also admitted he made a big mistake and took care of the victim's family.  He can't bring back the man he killed but he did the next best thing. 

Reports:
CB Quentin Lawrence
WR Jeff Fuller
CB Kevyn Scott

have been cut.

That's 12 today (including the trade).  10 more to go.

If they keep Hogan and cut Fuller, I'm going to be pissed.

Looks like Bess, Hartline, and Naanee are safe so far.  Still waiting to hear about Hogan, Matthews, and Marlon Moore

edit to add - apparently DE Derrick Shelby is also safe.

my choice, I'd keep Matthews of those three.

How on earth can Naanee be safe?!

The truth is we probably only have about 35 people on our team that we would really want. That means we have several Naanees on our roster in many different positions. They just aren't as exposed as a wide receiver.

We are (thankfully) rebuilding and the moment they named Tannehill the starter they admitted as much.

He's not TRULY "safe" until Sept 9th.  If the Dolphins can get his replacement before then, they can still bounce him without getting stuck paying him.

Same goes for Garrard.

Ray Feinga cut.  9 more to go if my counting is correct

Volin is saying they are keeping all 4 QB's, and possibly deferring decision to Sept 9th to better evaluate Garrard.

Reading Tweets that RT Lydon Murtha has been cut,this one By Benvolin (https://twitter.com/BenVolinPBP/status/241631658728636416)

I guess his muscle tattoo didn't help him.

Murtha, Will Barker, and Shelly Lyons have been cut.

However, despite earlier reports, Jeff Fuller is at afternoon practice and was apparently NOT cut.

Confusing....

YEAH!!! C'mon Jeff at least 1 guy wants you to stick!!!

Although this shows Fuller was cut...

http://www.sportsnetwork.com/merge/tsnform.aspx?c=sun-sentinel&page=nfl/stats/transactions_team.aspx?sc=AB

Maybe no one told him.

by my count, 6-7 more to go (depending on if Fuller is or is not cut)

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-miami-dolphins-final-cuts-list-20120831,0,7665209.story

This doesn't have Fuller on it either. I would assume the earlier report that he was cut was inaccurate.

If Fuller makes the 53, that would give Miami 3 rookies from A&M this year, Tannehill, Fuller and Lane. You think Sherman may have had something to do wtih that? :)

^^^^^^

What is the deadline to cut down?  9 pm?  If that is the case then I can see why Fuller was at practice.  Maybe they wanna get one last look at him before making a final decision.

My Captain obvious statement of the Day: I'd suspect the last few guy's getting cut are the guy's headed for the practice squad...


He was also the GM,when he coached the Packers,after Ron Wolf,and succeeded by Ted Thompson...I didn't realize that till the other day,it also gives a little more meaning when he snapped at Egnew -"If I was the Gm.....I'd cut you" during hard knocks...I see it as a positive,and a negative honestly...

DE Jarrell Root
OT Andrew McDonald

Both CUT

Chris Hogan CUT

WR Jeff Fuller CUT

Damn.  7 Eleven is now closed.  Missing out on slurpees.   :D

Miami will add around 5-10 new guys tomorrow. Stay tuned!

7-11, closed? Damn. I was pulling for him.

OK.  Here is the 53 man roster as it stands right now. 

QB - Tannehill, Moore, Garrard, Devlin
 RB - Bush, Slaton, Thomas, Thigpen, Miller
 FB - Lane

 WR - Moore, Bess, Naanee, Hartline, Matthews
 TE - Clay, Fasano, Egnew, Mastrud
 OL - Pouncey, Yeatman, Samuda, Incognito, Martin, Hicks, Jerry, Garner, Long
 DL - Vernon, McDaniel, Shelby, Wake, Starks, Soliai, Randall, Odrick
 LB - Freeny, Spitler, Misi, Burnett, Dansby, Kaddu, Trusnik
 DB - Jones, Smith, Wilson, Carroll, Culver, Clemons, Marshall
 
K - Carpenter
 P - Fields
 LS - Denney

Interesting point.  Denney is the longest tenured Dolphin with eight years.  Solai and Fields are right behind him with six years.

Devlin will be the #2 QB Week 1 vs Houston it is being reported tonight

Moore will be gone in the next 24-48 hours via Trade. Garrard looks to be safe for a little while

Tons of moves coming Sat afternoon. This roster will be overhauled and look totally different Sat night.

Good.  It sucks the sweat off a dead man's balls.

I wouldn't expect THAT much change. 3 or 4 guys will come from other teams, but that's it. By the END of the year I would expect quite a few changes.

I think a major housecleaning is coming tomorrow. I could see 2 new CB's, 2 new WR's, and 2 new o-linemen. And maybe a linebacker.

Guys who should be nervous, Freeney, Garner, Garrard, Moore, Masturd, Matthews, Naanee, Kadduu, Culver, Slaton, Yeatman

If all were gone tomorrow this time I would not be shocked (Matthews/Kaddu are practice squad if nobody claims them)

I would be EXTREMELY shocked if ALL of them were gone. Now 3 or 4 of those guys, no. I just don't know where you are going to get 6 or 7 new guys and try to get them ready to play in 1 week. It's hard enough to do that with 1 or 2. Philbin threw out the number 4 as new guys and I think even that's a bit optimistic. I don't think there even are 8 or 10 guys that I would want let alone try to get them ready in 1 week. You are discounting a FULL off season way too much. Maybe Brett Favre can do it without any training camp, of those guys that got cut today 95% can't, there's a reason that every one of those guys got cut. To think you are gonna get the 10 that can is VERY VERY optimistic, there are 31 other teams that would like to have some of those guys too you know, you can't get them all. I just don't see it.

These are bottom of the roster type pick-up's who won't play much or be active for most games. They aren't picking up starters. And these guys on the waiver wire have been through a full offseason. The way the waiver wire works you actually can get them all there is no limit, only rule is they must be on the Week 1 roster! Maybe they don't get 10 but they are gonna add more than a couple guys. I think we add upward of 5 NEW guys this weekend combining waiver wire and trades. Maybe add a couple picks too which will turn into new guys down the road.

Jason Lacanfora
The Fins carrying 5 RBs no longer. Released Steve Slaton. Could end up in WSH. Doubt Fins carry 4 Qbs for long, either (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/241975461582880768)

We've released Steve Slaton

How does Naanee make the roster and Hogan doesn't?

Hogan was a "Hard Knocks" story and that's about it. Might make the practice roster, but I kinda doubt it.

Adam Beasley through Armando Salguero
Tyrone Culver is being cut from Dolphins per @AdamHBeasley . (https://twitter.com/ArmandoSalguero/status/241990756288561152)

Not over yet. Miamis till could sign a Stallworth, Gaffney, Branch and cut Naanee. It's only Saturday.

Miami will still cut or trade a QB and make a few other moves.

Winslow was just cut by Seattle. He did catch 75 balls last year. Might be a better player/TE than Mastrud at TE. Just sayin!

Question. If we have Will Yeatman, what do we need Jeron Mastrud for? Isn't Yeatman a converted TE? I'm assuming if he can play tackle then he can certainly block well enough to line him up at TE. Is there some restriction on numbers and where they can line up? He's got #60. Does that make him ineligible be lined up in a TE spot for a 2 TE look?

They'll cut or trade Moore, but another QB won't be coming Miami's way. I think Miami is happy with Tannehill, Devlin and Garrard to start the season.

Les Brown counts $833 against the Fins salary cap this year. I have never seen a guy count only a few hundred dollars against the cap before like this..lol

The release of Kafka and Hoyer might now make it impossible to trade Moore. Why part with anything when you can get an equal player for free.  Moore might just be released

Fins Practice Squad is  Chandler Burden, Jonathan Freeny, Fuller, Hogan, Josh Kaddu, Andrew McDonald, CB Diondre Pressley, Anderson Russell

Yay, Hogan on practice squad!  Maybe we'll see what he can do later.

I'm shocked BJ Cunningham didn't get a practice squad spot.  Maybe he sucked too much.

Fins wanted to sign him for the practice squad but BJ decided to sign with Philly instead. His agent said there are less moving parts in Philly and he feels its a better situation going forward.

The answer is partly yes & no. The #60 is an offensive line number. Offensive lineman are not eligible receivers which the TE position is.  With that said, there is an exception where you can bring in a lineman to play TE but they have to report to the officials they will be doing so which makes them eligible.

Cool, that's kinda what I thought but wasn't sure. So I'm gonna renew my question, why do we need Jeron Mastrud when we could just line up Will Yeatman in the TE position for 2 TE sets and such? He's a converted TE, he should be able to catch a pass if we needed him too and still be a nice blocking TE. The only concern I could see there being was that if you cut Mastrud and Yeatman ends up starting at tackle then you don't have a blocking TE, but honestly if Yeatman is our starting tackle, we have bigger issues than not having a blocking TE in my opinion.

Garrard is being released
 Source:tweet from Jay Glazer
Just got a text from David Garrard that he is being released from Fins today (https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/243060511011377154)

Jesse Angler
So @JayGlazer reports Garrard has been released by Dolphins. 52 now on active roster (three QBs). (https://twitter.com/finsjesse/status/243061302015164416)

David Garrard's Twitter account -
To all the dolphins fans thx for ur support! Best of luck to all my teammates. Thx for making me feel at home!! Phins up!! (https://twitter.com/davidgarrard9/status/243063416611295233)