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For all who've been trying to find out Colts trade, I'm reporting the Colts have agreed to a trade for Fins CB Vontae Davis for 2nd rd pick (https://twitter.com/JayGlazer/status/239783835691278336)

I guess Jason taylor also broke the news

We've totally sacrificed this year already, so why not get rid of our best defensive back.

We'll have a lot of early picks next year to rebuild with.

From Jason Lcanfora
Jim Irsay gets his man, The mystery is solved. Colts send a 2nd round pick and conditional late round pick to Miami for CB Vontae Davis (https://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/status/239786330597511169)

Two picks...

That second round pick will be like a late first if the Colts record is similar to last season

Did I call this or did I call this? -EK

Great move by Miami!

Glad the rumor was correct! Good call EK

And what a prediction it was oh great EKnightdamus


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Interesting to see if Miami turns around and packages the 2nd round pick with another pick and try's to make a move ASAP for a Mike Wallace or Dwayne Bowe who are both disgruntled with their current teams. Just throwing it out there.

Either way Miami has 5 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. And will have amo to TRADE UP to possibly land a Robert Woods the WR from USC or stay put and stockpile talent. Miami has positioned themselves very nicely moving forward. This also means Nolan Carroll will need to step up bigtime as the 3rd CB.

Vontae was my favorite player on the team.  I am bummed!

I give up

He is a million dollar talent with a .10 brain. Major maturity issues with Vonate. Showing up drunk and not taking his job seriously. Another problem player is now gone. Philbin is cleaning house. How funny is it now that Vonate was laughing and giggling about being out of shape and "acting" like he wasn't tired.

Philbin has sent the message loud and clear with Marshall, Vonate, Ochco...you act like a fool, you won't play for Miami. It's just that simple.

He was still my favorite player and I am still bummed. I never saw a report of this drinking thing.

I did.  He showed up to practice with a hangover and got bitch slapped by Brandon Marshall.

Ireland, Philbin, and co. must be very confident that this team will make the playoffs in 2013.

Because if they don't, they will all be searching for work.

Ireland is made of teflon he has no worries. Ross loves him. I wish he would go but I ain't holding my breath because if it hasn't happened yet why should I think it will happen now? Especially since he is making trades for the future and not the now. He must know he is gonna be around and gotten some assurance from someone.  I think Philbin has at least 3 years if Tannehill shows progress as the years go on. I do get the feeling Ross wants some stability and doesn't want another search (and more rejections). I mean if Philbin goes 1-15 and then starts 0-7 or something yeah he won't survive but if he is just "bad" and like 6 wins and stuff he is safe for a while.

They had to blow it up and start over. They have. 5 picks in the first 3 rounds next year. IF they are bad this year (likely) they are Top 5 pick in Rd 1, maybe a team wanting a QB trades up and Fins can move down and stockpile more picks. Miami has put them in nice shape for the final week of next April.

It's depressing that one the eve of a new season, I'm already having to look forward to next year...at the earliest.

Ireland, Philbin, and company have made it very clear this season is not important whatsoever.  That strategy may pay off (as long as Ireland is around, I have serious doubts), but it really hurts knowing that I've gotta sit through another shitty season waiting for the future.

+1.  This move would be justified if Davis were an aging/overpaid vet.  I realize that his work ethic has been questionable to best..but if you're agreeing that this year is a "lost cause,"  trade him at the deadline if he's still a slacker in your eyes.  Give him a chance to turn it around.

I don't understand why everyone's upset.  This looked like a guy who might not even start -- now we have picks for him and it's no longer our problem.

I tend to agree with MikeO here.  Get rid of guys who aren't taking their position seriously.

Been doin' that for quite some time here on this end...

All I hear and read everyday that Miami's secondary sucks. Well, isn't Vonate part of the problem then if you hold that opinion? So, Miami got a 2nd round pick for a guy who is part of the problem of a bad secondary. Check that...Miami got a 2nd round pick for a BACK-UP PLAYER in a bad secondary. How can anyone be mad about this is beyond me!

Vontae Davis is an incredibly frustrating player to watch -- not unlike Sean Smith, btw -- because he shows flashes of brilliance, but can't seem to consistently perform at a high level. It seems like we've seen more inconsistency and less brilliance from him this preseason... he could still turn it around and become a great player, but I think the trade makes a lot of sense.

Despite the most recent depth chart, though, I don't believe Marshall is as good as Vontae. Marshall looked pretty bad against the Falcons and that worries me.

Ireland is doing a great job of buying high and selling low.  Can't wait for him to be canned.

At this point, I'm not even raising an eyebrow. I could understand stockpiling draft picks to build around a core group of players. Then again, I would also have to have something I don't have. That is faith in the GM. Does it matter if Vontae was reduced to being a nickel back? No. Because that's still a "starting" position on defense. Its not like he was a feature HB that got reduced to being a 3rd down back. His attitude sucked last year. It sucked coming into training camp. But he was also showing improvement. Its not like Vontae started as a back up. Spent 3 yrs as a back up. And going to a new team as a back up. I don't know why management gave up on Vontae. But I can't celebrate picking up a draft pick when they could've used this opportunity to pick up a WR. Seriously, does anyone else notice that they don't trade to pick up players? Anymore?

You NEED a nickle corner. Vontae could have been really good at that position. Now the job goes to who? Nolan Carroll? Who's shown what? NOTHING. It didn't matter if he started or not, he was going to play a LOT.

Miami didn't use a 1st round pick a few years back on a nickle corner. That's the problem. The bar for Vontae is higher. He failed.

The 2nd round pick (which might be like a late 1st) is a steal for Miami.

With Vontae and Marshall Miami came in 3rd place/tied for last in the AFC East. They can come in 3rd or last place without them just as easy. Vontae=NOT an impact player!

Before the trade he was just a nickel back. There was no guarantee that was going to stay that way. Unlike the majority of Ireland draft picks (prior to today), he was still on the team. Yet, Ireland still has his job. If we are judging by "impact player" status, then why is Ireland still the GM?

This is a great deal for us. In Joe we trust. I like his emphasis on quality guys, hard workers are more valuable than talented but lazy. This is how you build champions. I love it

Character guys that work hard. If that's not you, go play elsewhere.

I won't miss vontae, but I am concerned about the corners. Apparently Smith is making big progress this year, so Marshall might be enough on the other side. We definitely need high level play from Jones and Clemens/Culver.

This whole "character is what counts" would engender more confidence if Miami's current WR and DB corps didn't look like they were from a really good Division I team.

Ireland and Philbin are setting themselves up for a Cameron-type win-or-be-fired season.  The whole "I do things my way" mindset doesn't work if you lose.

I think you're giving them more credit than they deserve.

V. Davis must be a real doucher to put up with.  The team is quite a few players away from being a contender.  So I hope that they don't package this 2nd round pick with something else to get a quality WR for this year.  They need a lot more than a WR.  I know their WR is corps is terrible, but picking up a quality WR is not going to turn this team into a playoff team.  I don't know how good next year's draft class is supposed to be, but it might be best to hold onto the decent number of high round draft picks that the Fins are going to have.

With the way they are making decisions, I don't think so. I think this season is a free pass. Next year they will be judged on improvement and that may or may not be the playoffs. Just like the old days ... I think the third year will be the key.

To me it seems like they are making long term decisions and will not compromise to win a few extra right now. That's a good thing in my book.

States how I feel abut Vontae Davis,but much better worded than I could do...I like what we got for Davis,I think if we waited any longer,we'd gotten less.With the first cut to 75 today,and the cut down to 53 coming.There is time to pick up someone who can help us,which may hurt the first game or two,but work well in a few weeks...

You think two pick for Vontae is low? Like Dave said, the guy did not even appear to be a starter this season.

Armando reporting that the Colts initial offer to Miami was ONLY a 6th round pick. Waited a day then offered ONLY a 5th round pick.  Ireland said he wasn't interested in moving him. Indy waited a few days then offered a 3rd.  That got Ireland's attention and Jeff worked him up to a 2nd/6th deal.

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2012/08/the-difference-between-colts-dolphins.html


Look, you listen and read stuff this morning and you would have thought Vontae Davis was Darrell Green or Deion Sanders, jesus christ its amazing. It's Vontae F'n Davis a guy who showed up drunk last year to a practice. The guy who came in out of shape. The funny part is search online for any Indy sports radio show or go to any Colts message board and they are MORE PISSED than Dolphins fans are that they gave up a 2nd round draft pick (probably a high one) for this guy. And they are gonna have to resign him soon and pay him big bucks to boot! If they don't the trade looks even worse for Indy!

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/peter_king/08/26/mmqb/index.html#ixzz24l1O5XLq

Peter King defends Ireland for both the Marshall and Vontae trades

I can't understand why Dolphins fans would be pissed about this trade.  2nd round picks aren't given out like Snickers on Halloween.

the phrase "self awareness" used by the coaches on Hard Knocks in regards to Vontae is the best way to describe him. He doesn't see the big picture. Bathroom breaks in the middle of practice. Showing up out of shape and joking about it. Whether getting in a fight in the Carolina game and drawing a flag. Just throwing a WR to the ground vs Atlanta, and drawing a flag. THEN, after he is told he is traded, 2 seconds into the conversation he wants to call his grandmother right then and there! Not realizing he is in the middle of an important conversation and he should at least hear what happened and why. Lack of self awareness!

Great points Mike. And great trade, Jeff!

ESPN was mocking him today for wanting to call his grandma. Which I get why, its a cheap easy joke which ESPN will always take the cheap and easy joke. And Vontae is not mature and should have handled the situation differently and not asked to call his grandma in the middle of a meeting. That shows a lack of awareness and maturity. But his grandmother is the center of his universe which is sweet and all and I think ESPN should have laid off a bit. I mean they really needed to mock the guy for that? They got nothing better to talk about or cover.

Attack the guy for his play, attack him for being a 1st round bust, attack him for other things, don't essentially call him a "mamma's boy and point and laugh at him which is what they did". I thought that was low-rent for a company that holds themselves up to such a high standard and is always patting themselves on the back.

Almost as bad as when they picked on the Buffalo Bills rookie a year or two back with a stutter and he couldn't get through his first NFL interview without issues. Just low rent.

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Well said Mike!!!!!

I disagree with you on the trade. But I totally agree with you here. Sometimes the 4 letter network just can't help thethemselves.