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He's lived a charmed life so far. This is the year it all falls apart. Sparano will see to it.

How can he get exposed? 

We already know he's a marginal passer at best. 

We already know his main purpose with the Jets is going to be running "the no longer all that wildcat"

We know he loves Jesus.

We know if he so much as wipes his ass it's a national story especially now that he plays for the Jets.

What's left that we don't know?  Is he going to somehow forget to say the word "HUT?"

Other than starting another "hate on Tebow" thread, what's the point here? BigDaddyFin called it correctly. What's going to be exposed? As much as I hate the Jets, I honestly hope he has a great year just so some of you guys will STFU about it already. Everyone bitched about the "character" guys Miami had and no one seems to care that Miami traded away or passed over talent because of "character." Well, seems like Tebow would be your ULTIMATE guy- great character, and it doesn't matter if he lacks talent. -EK

More than Tebow will be exposed (hell any football fan with a brain knows he sucks already, what more to be exposed). But Rex will be exposed and a bad year might be the end for him in NY. Just like his father the act wears thin over time and when you don't win nobody wants to put up with the antics.

I actually do agree with EK on one thing, another TEBOW HATE thread was probably not needed. We need to have one official Tebow Hate thread for all year and have it pinned/sticky-ed to the top of the forum. So we all have a place to pile on week after week without having to start a new thread week after week. And if you are gonna go in that thread you know what you are getting... Tebow Hate.

I drafted him as a 3rd QB in fantasy football.  The dude isn't cut out to be a starter in the NFL, but he can put up some good OK fantasy numbers, with the amount of rushing he does.

After watching his performance against Carolina, I totally agree with this thread

Exposed? Does he suck more than everyone already knows?

Everyone already knows he's a crap qb, what more is there to expose?

Who would you rather have Matt Moore or Tim Tebow???

Matt Moore.  I'd rather have 11 Matt Moore's than 1 Tim Tebow.

Moore.  No question.  Is that a serious question?

http://www.theonion.com/articles/ground-emerges-as-tim-tebows-favorite-target,29210/

Ha!

If Tebow converts to tight end or fullback would anyone change their opinion of him?

Doubtful. People don't change their opinions very easily. Did anyone change their opinion on him when he passed for 316 and made Pittsburgh's defense look foolish? No. Everyone made excuses for why it happened. Some people will refuse to give him credit no matter what he does. The endless threads on this should validate that. -EK

^^ Yes, I would.  He's a terrible QB.  I don't like that he is getting all this coverage and praise when he sucks at his job.

If he were converted, he might be better, and then I would hate him less, for sure.

I love this line from that article:
After a meeting with Jets offensive coordinator Tony Sparano, Tebow has reportedly been focused on spreading the ball around more and has developed other favorite targets, including Gatorade coolers, D’Brickashaw Ferguson’s back, the bench, the pylons, a laundry bin filled with towels, and the team’s golf cart.

I've always thought the Dolphins should have grabbed him and converted him to a TE or FB/HB. He's a guy that makes people miss in the running game.

I would indeed think more of Tebow if he played another position (provided he played it well).

I have to disagree a bit there Cathal. Tebow really is not a shifty tunner that makes people miss. He just gets into a hole and runs straight ahead.

I'm thinking your hatred might be misplaced.

I don't know about that. When he scrambles he makes DBs miss him by juking. He's quite a shifty individual for his size.

It is and it isn't.  Sure the media annoys me by their coverage, but there's nothing I can do about that.  But if there were no Tebow, they'd be forced to talk about good players *gasp*

Besides, Tebow doesn't WANT to play TE or FB.  What makes you think he'd want to do that when he can play QB and have unlimited spotlight and press?

That is what I am saying. I don't see that in his style. He typically just barrels ahead. That is why people think he would make a good fullback.

Now you're hating him for existing. LOL Just messin' with ya.

Yeah it was a serious question.  Tebow somehow wins games.  I wouldn't mind him as a short term solution at QB.

That's a fluke and won't last.  "Somehow" winning games only works against crap teams.

So last year's Steelers team was a crap team? Interesting... -EK

Last year's Steelers game was sheer luck.  Blind squirrel finding a nut.  They called the right play against a suicide blitz, and Tebow made a 5 yard throw.  Good for him.

This is exactly what I mean about people making excuses when he's successful. What about the OTHER three pass plays that went for 51, 30, and 58 yards. Those were all 5 yard luck plays too, right? He averaged over 30 yards per completion during that game and accounted for three TDs VS. no INTs against the best defense in football last year. Man, he's "lucky." -EK

Now THAT'S funny. :)

IF people thought he was any good he would be starting for someone this year AND some team would have parted with more than a 4th rounder for him.

The fact when Denver put him on the trade block nobody wanted him to be their starter and nobody would part with an early round pick tells you all you need to know. Pure luck last year most weeks. Had his kicker hitting 60 yard field goals. Had guys drop onside kicks (Marlon Moore) to keep games alive, had Marion Barber who all he had to do was fall down...the idiot run out of bounds and then fumbles a few plays later. It literally was "an act of god" most weeks that they won.

He had games where he would complete 10 passes in a game but won. He found a way and good for him but he isn't a good QB. He might be out of the league in a year or two in all honesty because he can't play and few teams will put up with the side show circus he brings with him (not his fault he gets the attention, but that's reality)

This is a great example of what I mean. No, his kicker didn't hit any 60 yard field goals. He hit 4 from over 50, absolutely, but as usual, when people dislike Tebow, the actual facts get a bit distorted to rewrite history. They guy won games. A lot of games. I would venture to say 90% of them were flat ugly wins, but he took a 1-4 team to the playoffs, and won a first round game with his arm. There's no denying that. He had more plays of 20 yards + against the Steelers in one game than they gave up all season. I'd take 8 wins from a Miami QB over 10 "pretty" losses. Insofar as him being a starter, if you don't believe he's going to be starting for the Jets at some point this year, I think you're missing something. My guess is still by week 6 after they have gone 1-4 to start the season. That's my official prediction; I'd love to revisit it by then. -EK

I stand corrected, it was a 59 yard FG   ::) ::) Same difference


  http://scores.espn.go.com/nfl/boxscore?gameId=311211007

What you said, though, was that his kicker was hitting 60 yard field goals, like he just went out and did it every week. That wasn't the case. He hit ONE very long (59 yarder). This is what I mean by rewriting the history- you remembered the kicker winning multiple games with some sort of ridiculous achievement, when in reality, Prater is currently the most accurate kicker in National Football League history for field goals of 50 yards or more, having hit 12 of 16 (or 75%) from that range. That's what Prater does- he's made a career out of it, so it's not like it's as spectacular a feat as if, say, Carpenter did it.  So, it's Tebow's fault that he has a great kicker? The guy's not a very good QB, but let's not rewrite history to make him worse or take anything he actually DID acomplish and diminish it. -EK

This is a great example of what I mean.  Tim Tebow threw for 236 yards and 1 TD through 4 quarters, and won OT on a pass that went 20 yards through the air and 60 yards on the ground (after a broken tackle).  You classify this as "winning the game with his arm."

So, to summarize:  MikeO says that Tebow won a lot of games on account of having a kicker with ridiculous range and accuracy, and your counterpoint is... that his kicker is the most accurate of all time past 50 yards.  Um, I guess we all agree, then?

Against a team that gave up 172 yards per game through the air- best in the entire NFL- yes, I'd say that's winning the game with his arm. Now here's the really great part Spider- you don't have to agree with me. In fact, we obviously disagree. Let's stop here. Engaging in another endless argument trying to prove me wrong isn't going to change my mind, so there's no need to bother derailing another thread. Let's just end the convo here. You said your piece; I said mine. -EK

Thank you! lol

Mike he had 4 game winning field goals. What about the other 4 games? Tebow had NOTHING to do with a 1-4 team making the playoffs and winning against Pittsburgh. Got it. -EK

And you make it sound like he was winning games with his arm every week. And that wasn't the case!!

Nope- he won 1 game with his arm last year, that being the playoff game. I'm interested where I implied he won "games" with his arm? I said he won 1 game- 1- with his arm. Don't rewrite the history of this thread like you did the Broncos' season. We're clearly on opposing sides of this debate; let's not rehash the multiple threads that have already been written about it. -EK

Nobody said he had NOTHING to do with it. Don't twist words. He made necessary plays late to put his team in position to win,  but he also had a lot of help and luck to deny that is just putting your head in the sand.

The fake Mangold quotes really made me laugh!

...except that that "172 yards per game" figure was when they had their starting FS (and lead tackler on the team) Ryan Clark, who was coincidentally on the sidelines in the game (to say nothing of their multiple other injuries on defense in Hampton, Keisel, Timmons).  I mean, if you're the kind of person who thinks a safety makes an impact on your pass defense.

I suppose you could also say that HOU won their division for the first time last year because they finally figured out how to shut down IND's pass game.  They held IND to an average of under 200 yards passing per game.  What a dominating performance against Peyton Manning's Colts!

You aren't required to reply to any of my posts at all, you know.  This message board is completely voluntary.

I'm curious... Why do you love Tebow so much? You talk like he's your cousin or something.

He didn't want to be a TE or FB/HB he wanted to be a QB.  

I'm curious why everyone hates the guy so much. This board talks like he killed someone's cousin. Why can't people just be happy for someone's success without acting like a bunch of little bitches about it? Yeah. A bunch of little bitches. -EK

You rip the entire Dolphins secondary and say they all suck. That is ok but Tebow is somehow off limits??? Don't get the logic.  Can't you be happy for the success of Sean Smith, Rashad Jones, and Chris Clemons? lol lol

Tebow is a good not great QB.  It was a nobrainer to choose Manning over him, Sanchez vs. Tebow is not so clear. 

I'd be happy for them if they had success. I'm still awaiting that day. -EK

When did Skip Bayless enter the building?

you didn't answer the question. I already told you why I hate him. I'm sick of hearing about him and the special treatment he has gotten since his days at UF.

Now, your turn.

I thought my answer was implied. Apparently not- I'm happy for the guy's success, especially in the face of so many petty little people who have never met him, have no idea what kind of person he is, but insist on trashing him at every opportunity. Why is it that everything he has accomplished is "special treatment?" National championship, Heisman, multiple records at UF, earned the opportunity to start at QB over Orton, then proved it was the right decision by taking a 1-4 team to the playoffs and winning the wild card game (with the exact same bunch of guys Orton had- same defense, same kicker)- all of those things were "special treatment?" The more successful ANYONE is when they have so many people rooting against them, the happier I am for them. I'm one of the people who shed a tear when I saw Rudy. I'm guessing most of this board booed the end of the movie. -EK

You don't get it.  No one takes his accomplishments away from him.

He gets special treatment in the media.  Articles like "Tebow took a dump today" and or "Tebow jerseys are for sale, FINALLY!" and ESPN's shameless Jets camp continuous coverage.  Its shameless.  And the whole time, HE'S NOT A VERY GOOD PLAYER.  Why not devote that media time and space to stories about guys that actually do something well.  Why continue to glorify a guy who can't throw the ball 30 yards to a wide open receiver?  Why continue to ignore his shortcomings publicly and play him up like he's the next Joe Montana.  Cause he's not.  And everyone knows it.  When will the media acknowledge that?

Why doesn't John Skelton get the same coverage?

When are they going to start selling Curtis Painter jerseys?

I can't stand the special treatment, and the constant drooling over him.

And I can't stand the petty people who bitch and whine about it and start numerous threads here about how bad he is. It doesn't matter how often or in how many ways the haters say he sucks, the Heisman, the national title, and the playoff run last year would suggest otherwise. Why do you take such pleasure in personally attacking HIM? Isn't your real issue with the media? Tebow doesn't work for ESPN or CBS or fox sports. Why are there not threads here entitled, "this is the year that ESPN finally gets exposed?" -EK

So your contention is that he really is a good player? And everyone should stop saying otherwise?

No. My contention is that he's not as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he wins games, and while he does get tons of media coverage, a good portion of it is actually about how he "can't do" this or that, and yet people still hate on the guy because of his coverage. Now, is your contention that he seeks the attention of the media and it's somehow his fault he gets so much press? If not, isn't it time to get off his ass about it and rail against the media for a while? -EK

I can rally against the media until I'm blue in the face.  Its not going to change what they cover.  However, if someone came to you on an hourly basis telling you mundane minute details about something you don't care about, wouldn't you also get sick of hearing about it?

No, I'd change the channel. All I've heard about from this board about Marshall, Johnson, and Vontae is how happy everyone is about dumping those guys because, "character counts," "character is important," "good character guys are what the NFL needs." Tebow is- by every account- the ULTIMATE "good character," no- "great character" guy, and you guys villify him because of the media? What a bunch of hypocrisy! -EK

1) Teblow isn't on the Dolphins so I don't care about his character. Because he doesn't play for the team I root for. I don't care what guys on other teams do and if they are good "character guys."

2) You are right he isn't as bad as everyone makes him out to be, he is actually worse! Great college player, totally awful NFL QB. Had some miracle games but they are just that, miracle games. He can't play. If he could teams would have been knocking down Denver's door when they were trading him. They weren't.

The funny thing is that the people that can't stand the guy are almost entirely responsible for the media exposure that torments them.

1) So character only counts for Miami? All this time you've said the blanket statement that in the NFL, character counts. If it only counts for 1/32 teams that's an even bigger hypocrisy. So which is it? It counts for all, thus his counts, or it doesn't, thus the view is hypocritical?
2) Acknowledgement of the fact that he was a great college player disputes Brian's statement that he got "special treatment" all the way back to UF. He was a spectacular college player that many places list him as top 10-20 ALL TIME best college football player so he didn't get any special treatment at UF, he earned what he got. -EK

YES, character counts! But ,I only root for Miami.  I only care about them as a team. So as long as they are on the right side of the Character issue I am happy! I can't worry about the other 31 teams and how they operate their business! If some teams choose to ignore character and be STUPID, so be it! Some teams take character seriously, others don't. I applaud the ones that do and boo the ones that don't. But at the end of the day I ONLY care about the Miami Dolphins and their stance on character and I could care less what the other 31 teams do. Not hypocritical at all.


He is a great college player, but so what? Different debate for a different time. He was great in college, ok that doesn't give you a golden pass in the NFL. Time to move on! Seriously he sucks as an NFL player. He is getting worse not better. Guy went from starting QB on a team that went to the playoffs to being traded for a 4th round pick and backing up another mediocre to bad QB in Mark Sanchez. Not exactly and upward career path of someone who is "good" or "great."

But that wasn't the argument. Brian clearly stated he felt like Tebow got special treatment going back to UF and that was why he disliked him. Your own words indicate that he was such a great college player that he earned any media attention he got- thus, NO special treatment. Again, why the hate for him? It's misdirected. Be annoyed at the media, not the player.

Since you keep pointing out that you're a Dolphins fan, and Miami players are the only ones you care about, where's the same dislike for Dansby, who has been running his mouth the entire time he's been a Dolphin? I've pointed out his stupidity numerous times. He purposely draws media attention, but you defend him. Tebow does not but you hate the guy. Again, hypocrisy.

I honestly wish someone would just come out and say, "I'm petty and jealous and I dislike the guy because I'm uncomfortable with how good a person he seems to be and the fact that he's humble in the face of victory and gracious in defeat." At least you'd be being honest. -EK

Teblow brings most of it on himself. Forcing his "religion" down people's throat doesn't help his cause. Putting the religious scripture things under his eyes while in college. The over the top crying on the field after games. Doing antiabortion tv add's (which is a lightening rod issue in this country). If he learned to lay low on some things the hate wouldn't be there. I don't so much hate the guy as much as he sucks as a player and some people just can't admit he sucks. You can still root for the guy and admit he sucks.

P.S...I agree he was a great college football player, he ain't Top 10 alltime though. I don't know what UF homer put that list together but he ain't Top 10.  College football goes back many many years, and he ain't sniffing Top 10 of all time.

Tony Barnhart and Gary Danielson of CBS sports actually debated whether he is the single greatest college player of all time- not top 20 or 10, but #1. The media outside of this jaded and biased little board here does not share many of the sentiments about Tebow. -EK

^^ That's EXACTLY what I'm talking about.  Surely they can't be serious.  I suppose instead of having an opinion, you'd prefer if I wrote letters to those two buffoons telling them how stupid they are.

Brian, you ARE aware that Tebow had better colleg numbers than Peyton, Eli, Stafford, Tim Couch, and J. Russell, each of whom was supposed to be sooooo great in college they went #1 overall in their respective drafts. You know this right? He had 88 passing TDs vs. 15 INTs and a career 120 passing rating against the SEC- the best conference in college football. Heisman and 2 national titles. Tell me a college QB that clearly had a better college career. It's not crazy to put him as an all-time great college player. Look at his numbers. -EK

They can debate it, doesn't make it true! LOL! Skip Bayless debates whether Derek Jeter is on steroids, doesn't mean its true! lol  lol! Anyone can debate anything! Barnhart is an SEC homer you can't take him seriously in a debate like that. And Danielson gets a paycheck from the SEC for doing their games. Both have bias!

In any order you want...(all had better careers than Tebow)
Red Grange
Jim Thorpe
Archie Griffith
Bronko Nagurski
Ernie Davis
Herschel Walker
Earl Campbell
Sammy Baugh
OJ Simpson
Dick Butkus
Hugh Green
Jim Brown (who was screwed out of the Heisman because he was black)
Ricky Williams

Tebow might be Top 15, Top 20. Top 10 is pushing it. SEC homers are very vocal and would push for it but in my opinion they are nuts to think he is Top 10.

Have a read. From SI, not an "SEC homer":
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/kerry_byrne/03/22/tim.tebow/index.html

The very fact that Mike now admits Tebow may be top 20 all time only solidified my argument that Tebow got no special treatment in college. He really was that good. -EK

Top 20 MAYBE, NOT Top 10! Doesn't change the fact he is F'n terrible in the NFL. Which you refuse to admit! Just say he sucks as an NFL QB. is that so hard to admit?

And the article is worthless because it only compares modern era college QB's. Big Whoop! The history of college football goes back over 100 years and takes into account a lot of players!

Yes.  A thousand times, yes.

None of those players are anywhere near the "best player in college football history."

And in any case, nobody is complaining about the coverage Tebow got in college.  He did deserve it; he was the Heisman-winning QB of a national championship team.  IN COLLEGE.

In the NFL, he is none of those things.  He's a backup QB who finished in the bottom 5 in passer rating, and who willed his team to an 8-8 playoff berth (including a 3 game losing streak to close out the season).  He won an OT playoff game at home against a Steelers team ravaged by injury, then promptly went on the road and lost to NE by 5 touchdowns.  He is now the backup for a QB with a career passer rating of 73.2.

http://www.bobsblitz.com/2012/08/jim-cantore-tebowed-to-hurricane-isaac.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+TheNjFrogman+%28Bob%27s+Blitz%29

Weather Channel Host TEBOW'D during Hurricane Issac! lol lol

BS if you believe he seeks attention. We will just have to disagree on that. Regarding the comment that "nobody is complaining" about his college coverage- Briam specifically DID mention he has a problem with the special attention going back to his UF days. Guess you missed that in your hasty attempt to start another argument with me. -EK

You're really bent about that, huh?  So if I take back the "UF days" part of it, you're in full agreement with everything else?  Or you just keep mentioning that because its the only argument you can refute with numbers?

I'm bent out of shape about it because it is a microcosm for the general attitude of Tebow haters- they remember what they want, revise history to fit their argument and overlook what really is, which is STILL the fact that the guy has done nothing personally to garnish hate from anyone, yet some people insist on hating him anyway. No, he's not a very good QB. Yes, in spite of that he wins, and has won at every level. Even Spider- who basically is in direct opposition to anything that comes out of my mouth- had to credit him with "will[ing] his team to an 8-8 playoff berth." Is that what really bothers you? The fact that in terms of being a pretty passer or inside the box QB he stinks, but he won more games than anyone could have conceived? I just don't get why thread after thread keeps popping up about the guy. News flash- he's one of the top 2 or 3 most popular players in the NFL. So...what is it that the entire rest of the country sees in him that this board misses? Or is it just blatant jealousy? -EK

It is not that he gets special treatment because the media choose him.  The fans did.  Jets training camp broke records for attendence because people came by the bus load to see him.  So did Denver's whe he was there.  You can buy a Curtis Painter jersey if you want one...but nobody wants one.  Tebow happens to be one of the best selling jersey's.  That isn't the media, its the fans. 

EKnight, this conversation would probably go a lot smoother if you explained that you also (sincerely!) give Mark Sanchez credit for the wins he was "responsible" for.

When viewed in that light, a hearty defense of Tebow seems, if nothing else, consistent.  It makes sense that anyone who views Mark Sanchez as a "good" QB would also think Tebow is "good."

In fact, you could pretty much slap an endcap on this discussion by saying that Tebow was "every bit as responsible for [Denver's] wins as Sanchez [was] for the Jets" (link (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php/topic,19299.msg248777.html#msg248777)) or that Sanchez and Tebow are "basically the same player" (link (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=19299.msg248784#msg248784)).

I think everyone posting in this thread would agree with both of those statements.

So....it may come as a surprise to you, but I have no obligation to make the conversation go smoother or have everyone agree with me. I frankly don't care if everyone agrees with me. My stance on Tebow's play is immaterial to this particular conversation. There are literally hundreds of NFL players as bad or wrose than him, who don't get the hate he gets. No multiple threads about how much they suck. No articles written about how bad their arms are or how they can't hit the side of a barn. Why? Why the fixation with slamming a guy who basically seems like a pretty good person? In retrospect to last year, having taken a step back and looked at the totality of how he played, I can honestly say I got caught up in the fun time that watching a 1-4 team make the playoffs and have multiple come from behind wins in seemingly ridiculous circumstances brought with them. Is Tebow currently a top 10 QB? IMO, no. Is he even very good or good at that? Nope. Does that mean that he should consistently get attacked one thread after another because he can't throw? I don't think so, and that's my point.

"This is the year that Tebow gets exposed." As what? A sub-par passer who carries guys into the end zone running the ball and had one great game (and yes, I STILL do believe the Steelers game was great), but in general seems to win for reasons beyond my comprehension. How is that getting exposed? Why do we need yet another thread pointing out the obvious? Why not start a new thread every month on how bad Miami's defense played in the fourth quarter of games? Why not start one after each game on how the receivers drop everything thrown to them- because even without Marshall, Hartline had 7 drops last year and Bess had 6 more? Ooh ooh ooh- why not make a thread every time Dansby says something stupid to the media? Wait- I mentioned this in a few threads, and the board lambasted me for it. Why does Tebow get killed for his poor play, but Dansby gets a free pass for underachieving AND being an idiot to the media? There are a ton of players far worse than Tebow, yet this board- in the face of most of the rest of the country loving the guy- seems to just relish in tearing him down. I don't get it. -EK

Because he plays for the Stinkin NY Jets now!!! This is a Dolphins board! We HATE THE NY JETS!!!! Like asking Red Sox fans why they enjoy tearing down ARod and Jeter so much! Because they play for the enemy!! The bitter rival! The long-time rival! Every time he fails this year on the field for Rex and Tony I and others here are gonna love it!

And last year we got on him because people like you (the Tebow apologists), no matter how bad he played or how lucky he got, wouldn't just admit he was lucky in a given week. Or he played like crap for 56 min and only showed up for the final 4. Or even worse you tried to tell us he is a "one in a million talent" and a "Top 10 NFL QB". Instead of just being honest and saying something like..." I like the guy and boy he gets lucky a lot", you tried making him and portraying him into something he wasn't, isn't, and never will be! A quality NFL QB! And all of us called you out on it.

We got no problem with you liking the guy and cheering for him ( I find it odd for a Fins fan to cheer for a Jets QB, but to each their own.)  But you can't tell us NOT to tear him down when he plays for the Jets. Or say criticizing him is somehow off limits. He is just another player who has to put up with it.  And you don't have to read the thread or be active in it either. If you don't like reading Negative-Tebow posts, just skip the thread!

Really? It's ONLY a Dolphins message board? Does that mean that anyone who says something- no matter how correct or logical it may be- that doesn't bow down to Dolphin mania isn't allowed to post? And what's this business about: http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?board=3.0  Actually, this very thread is in the "around the NFL" section. Has nothing to do with Miami in particular. I, of course, presume when Dansby goes to another team, you'll get off his jock? If he went to the Jets, I'm guessing you'd be the first in line saying, "Man he's an idiot for predicting a Super Bowl appearance after playing a 6-10 season or for claiming to be the best linebacker in the NFL just before overwhelming the stat sheet with a whopping 4 tackles, then 6 in his next two games or for second guessing the coaches for cutting Chad." I think we all know that won't happen.


I actually never said either of those things. I asked WHY people hate the guy so much, and have yet to get anything that's not fanatical for an answer.


The same way you don't have to respond to anything I say that you don't like. See how that works both ways? -EK

But nobody else here is bitching about negative Tebow posts   ::)  Nobody else is asking for the Anti-Tebow posts to stop!

I would imagine for the same reason that there are plenty of NFL players that are better than Tebow, and yet do not have ESPN running multiple segments celebrating their birthday.

When the media goes crazy over a player (any player), there will be a contingent of contrarian fans that object.  This much is certain.  It's bad enough when that kind of excessive coverage is on a multiple-MVP league champion like Tom Brady, or LeBron James, or Albert Pujols.  But when it's for a player who hasn't really even done anything of note... well, you get the result that you see here now.

Really?


-EK

Why is it "bad enough" though? This goes back to my original question which no one has yet to answer- can't anybody just be happy for someone's success without acting like a four year old whose neighbor in the next play pen got more candy than they did? -EK

I said lets make 1 GIANT Anti-Tebow thread and sticky it/pin it to the top of the forum! I wasn't trying to STOP anti-Tebow talk. I am encouraging it! LOL LOL Bad example you used there!

Again, another thread with a great topic for football conversation gets derailed because of these pissing contests between the two of you.  I thought Maine told one of you to go this way <----------- and the other to go that way ----------->.   

Pretty please, give it a rest.

I have to honestly say Mike is right on this one. No one has started name calling or insult slinging. Pretty tame debate for the most part, considering who is involved. -EK

Thank you! Actually we have been very peaceful and respectful towards each other the past 2 weeks and I hope it continues!

Buried hatchet? -EK

Hello pot.  A Mr. Kettle is on the phone.  Calling me a drama queen is a little extreme when you're posting dumbass comments like this:



Comments like this cause threads to get locked because the thread is going OFF TOPIC

This would be a reasonable post if the topic were "this is the year that Belichick gets exposed", but that is not the topic.

The problem that people have with Tebow is that the amount of attention being showered on him is not commensurate with his accomplishments.  Now if you want to argue that people should just be happy for all the coverage he's getting (regardless of whether or not they think he deserves it)... honestly, that position is ridiculous.  That's like asking Cleveland Cavalier fans to Just Be Happy that LeBron finally won a title.

I think he would make a great TE or FB.

Riiiiiiiiight. Because juxtaposing a guy who is nationally one of the most popular players in the NFL with a guy who is nationally one of the most disliked players in his sport is a valid comparison. Talk about ridiculous. -EK

But it is commensurate with the general interest in Tebow nationally. 

I don't have more recent statistic, but recently Tebow was the 2nd best selling NFL jersey.  http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/05/29/peyton-tops-tebow-for-best-selling-jersey/

If Jersey sales are a measure of fan interest in a player (and they are, maybe not the only one, but certainly a measure) than Tebow should be getting less attention than Peyton Manning and more than pretty much everyone else. 

I have a solution for EK, start your own thread about how great Tebow is and post your love for him there, and just ignore any thread that derides Tim Tebow.