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I thought about this when I hear about some one dying,Phyllis Diller dying, Neil Armstrong,Etc,etc.Talking to my Mom,asking if she had heard about their passing,then listen to her gush about them,and their greatness...Alot of these people are more of her generation,Most of the stuff they did was long before I was born.

Don't get me wrong I love a lot her heroes and legends,but it was a different time,and era...

So I'm wondering who are our Generations,Heroes,an Legends?

Steve Jobs,Maybe Bill Gates....(Sorry My brain isn't working well on a Monday Morning)

In terms of military, I would say Norman Schwarzkopf.

I think there are quite a few, some that we probably don't recognize as such right now. Time tends to increase the status of individuals.

Bill Gates
Steven Spielberg
Robert Redford
Harrison Ford
Kevin Costner
Robin Williams
Meryl Streep
Oprah Winfrey
Rosie O'Donnell
Madonna

That is a sad list.

Sully seems to be pretty beloved by everyone.

Like I said, in 20 years LOTS of people will be mourning their loss. I'm sure that there are TONS of names that I have left off the list too, I just tried to think up a few off the top of my head.

My bad. I was focused on 'heroes'. 'Legends' is more acceptable. Spielberg is my favorite director but I wouldn't attach the word hero to him.

I can't say I even know who that is.

Who the hell is Sully? Is this a code name or something?

I think Sully was that airline pilot who landed in the Hudson.

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When multiple people don't know who it is, I doubt he's a national hero.

To me when you said Sully, I thought of the singer of Godsmack, then the dude pictured above, and then the pilot guy.  He's not even the most famous guy named Sully.

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Captain Sullenberger.  The dude who landed the plane in the Hudson and was really humble and said all the right things --- he also refused to let it get politicized.  Basically, everyone loved him.

He was (and is) in the media a lot.


There will probably be some political heroes, too, but you have to be dead for a while before the stigma wears off (Reagan, for example).  Perhaps Clinton could have that level in 20 years.

Maybe I'm an asshole, but that dude is not even on my radar. Wasn't he doing his job?

You could say the same of Neil Armstrong.

First person to land a plane. First person to be credited with walking on the moon. Yeah, they're EXACTLY the same. -EK

Did I say they were exactly the same? (even without the caps)

No, I did not.

I did say that the "doing his job" label could equally well be applied to Armstrong. Upon reflection, that was actually incorrect. Armstrong was just doing his job, while the emergency landing in the Hudson by Sullenberger probably wasn't specified in his contract ;)

Now, it should have been perfectly obvious to anyone that my intention previously was simply to point out that "doing his job" shouldn't be a measuring stick for much of anything, let alone determining whether or not one is a hero. Members of the presidential protection detail are trained to take a bullet for their protectee, and plenty of other jobs involve putting oneself at considerable risk for others or "the common good", and belittling their "hero" status using the argument that they are just "doing their job" is, IMHO, incredibly insulting.

I almost feel compelled to point out the factual inaccuracies of your post... No, Sullenberger wasn't the first person to land a plane (wtf?). And Armstrong wasn't just CREDITED as the first person to walk on the moon, he WAS the first person to walk on the moon. Suggesting anything else is moronic.

Yes, exactly.  I think that's why he's seen as so extraordinary.

He was prepared.  When things got their worst, he stayed calm, trusted his preparation, trusted his team, and did his job.  In that, he saved a lot of lives.  And after it was over, he sent that message, rather than playing like he was the hero.

I think Sully represents the extraordinary person in all of us.  The fact that he was extraordinary while himself being not is what makes him so special a character.

Any landing you can walk away from is a good one.

You may have not said it, but it was certainly implied. What else do you think people are going to infer from "You could say the same of Neil Armstrong." in response to "wasn't he just doing his job?" And I certainly didn't suggest that Armstrong wasn't the first person to walk on the moon. What factual inaccuracies were in my post? My guess is the only inaccuracy was to suggest that emergency landings were not part of Sully's "contract" whatever that means. You really think they let pilots take aircraft up without training them- as part of their job- how to do an emergency landing? Suggesting anything else is moronic. -EK

Agreed. I would expect any captain to attempt to do the same thing. They are trained to do that. He deserves a slap on the back and a "Good job!". But that's about it.

Rough crowd LOL

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I'm happy to see,it's not me just being out of touch,and this question is a bit tougher to flesh out.

Heroes,I draw a blank,partially I think because of the way we cover things that happen.24/7 coverage,news shows,and internet over exposes everyone possible one,to the point we're sick of hearing about them...

For me it seems like most of the names I come up with are pre-internet boom people.

I could see how these people on this type of list,in entertainment.I think like them or hate them,they've left a lasting mark on the entertainment world.
Jerry Sienfeld
Larry David
Jon Stewart
Judd Apatow

Music is also very hard for me,because I think it's the most splintered into what genre you listen too....

No, the implication was simply that "doing their job" isn't much of an indicator of any level of heroics.


Apologies if you didn't mean it as such, but when "people" write things like "first person to be credited with" in this context... well, let's just say there are more "Moon-landing-was-a-hoax" people out there than you'd think (more than one on this board, IIRC).


You wrote "first person to land a plane", suggesting you don't know who Sullenberger is (not unrealistic considering several others said they hadn't heard of him).

That's exactly WHY I wrote "credited with"- so the people who don't believe he did it have nothing to argue about- whether he was the first or not (and I believe he was) he is credited with doing so, so there's nothing for them to argue about.


I know who he is, but I didn't find any difference between him doing his job- and pilots performing an emergency landing IS part of their job- and Armstrong doing his in this context. -EK

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I would add....

Obama - First African American President.  (In 100 years from now the he will be the fourth best known historical President only being beaten out by Washington, Lincoln and whoever is the first female president) 

Micheal Phelps -- the generations Mark Spitz or Bruce Jenner

Pat Tilman

Private Jessica Lynch  - maybe not as big as some of the others, but everybody can remember what they were doing when they heard she was rescued. 


 

I don't even remember who Jessica Lynch is. Of course, I drink a lot so maybe that's it.

Interesting choices seeing neither of them wanted to be recognized as heroes and both of them are considered as Pentagon "manufactured" heroes.

I would bet that if 100 pilots had to actually try and make that landing that 99 of them would fail, and most of the people would die.  Have you ever heard of another water landing by a large jet that didn't result in multiple fatalities and the plane being torn apart??

Rosie O'Donuts???  Are you serious??

I would agree with that.  Consider this both Dan Marino and Cleo Lemon just "did his job" on Sundays, one is rightfully the HOF, the other will never be nominated. 

However I won't put Sullenberger in the "truely heroic" category, as I would the firefighter who rushed into the WTC on 9/11.

To be a true hero (in my book) you must choose (can be a part of your job, but it must be a choice not something your are forced to do) to take yourself from a position of relative safety and place yourself in danger for the benifit of other or society at large.  Firefighers do that.  People who join the military do that (being drafted doesn't count, but once drafted volenteering for a dangerous mission does).  Neil Armstrong did that.

What Sullenberger did was save his own neck.  He as on the plane, if he didn't land it safely he would have died.  Running out of a burning building (no matter how challenging it is to accomplish) is not heroic, it is saving your own neck.  Running into a burning building is heroic. 

Absolutely. She's a fairly influential person.  From her wikipedia page:

"Roseann "Rosie" O'Donnell (born March 21, 1962)[3] is an American comedienne, actress, author and television personality. She has also been a magazine editor and continues to be a celebrity blogger, LGBT rights activist, television producer and collaborative partner in the LGBT family vacation company R Family Vacations."

You may not agree with her on a lot of things, but there are lots of people who do and time has a way of washing away any "sins" by the person and leaves only good memories of the person. If she were to die in 20 years or so, I think she'd be mourned greatly. Not necessarily a "hero" or "legend", but neither was Phyliss Diller.

I'd think Ellen Degeneres (sp?) could be a name on that list...Perhaps less polarizing than Rosie,but both probably fly under the radar in terms of their impact...