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Hi to all of my fellow fin fans

Welcome to another exciting season of NFL football.

Will this be the year the Dolphins FINALLY defeat the Houston Texans?

This year's Dolphins team is filled with so many question marks?

My wife and I had a disagreement of sorts this morning, so I am actually at the marina on a neighbor's boat who has Directv enjoying the game.

Any links or streams that anyone knows of ?

Flag on the opening kickoff.  Typical Miami

And what starts off as a promising looking drive stalls due to a botched snap. 

Typical replacement refs. Making themselves part of the game

I am waiting for work to start while following the game.

I'm guessing Ryan wasn't paying attention or Pouncy hiked it early. At least Thomas picked it up.

cbs.sportsline.com says former Dolphin John Beck is playing quarterback for the Texans.

They corrected it now, to say Matt Schaub and he is moving the ball well

The Defense looks like swiss cheese right now

fourth and 14 decision time for the Texans, I say go for the points.

HE MISSED IT!!!!!

Maybe that's why I'm not a football coach

Good thing the refs got the call right.

I'm glad the defense held them to a FG and they missed the FG. Hopefully they'll do something with the short field.

Trying to get the run going here and Bush is having some success.

Marc Colombo doesn't make that fumble recovery! lol

two fumbles, yikes, that's not a good start.

At least Carpenter made the field goal attempt. 

New players, same old problem.  Can't score from the red zone

Tanne looks better than I expected.

1st quarter of Week 1. Chill...lol

Nice defense on 3rd and 1.

Nice stop on third and short!!!

Wow. Good catch Fasano.

We don't look bad. I know that's far from a compliment, but, it's more than I expected.

Tannehill looks sharp, the running game is picking up yards. Awaiting the wheels to fall off now... -EK

Penalty killed that drive

dolphin receivers need to catch the damn ball :'(

^^^ Tannehill is a tad off on some catches which could have gone for some good yards.

the ball touched the receivers hands,  its on him to catch it.  bad footwork or not

God bless you, Reggie Bush.

Javorski!!!!!

Wow. Rookie QB and Reggie Bush convert on 3rd and 12. Nice.

Damn.

tip your cap to the defender on the INT he made a good play

You've gotta be fucking kidding me.

defense is looking strong

Kubiak plays for 3! gutless!

wow nice screen pass

So far so good....Bush and Thomas look really good!

Aaaaaand another ball tipped at the line. I don't wanna say I told you so... -EK

More Dolphin mistakes kill yet another drive  >:(

What gets me is that everyone was watching the ball and NO ONE made a move to knock Cushing on his ass!!!

Griffin lighting it up, but with Moss, Garçon and company.

We haven't made it very easy for Tannehill with are wideouts....

too many dropped balls still. Tannehill playing well though vs a very good team. Defense playing well also.

Foster went unmolested and raped us !!!!

pull tannehill

are you nuts

3 picks in the 1st half. Good luck with that !!!!

ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME??  ANOTHER TIPPED INTERCEPTION??  ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING  ME??

There's the game.....we will have trouble scoring 20....too bad, I thought the defense played well....

Also, why did they go away from the RUN?

what a disaster this has been for Miami.

2 INTs off balls tipped at the line. Pointed this out in preseason and told those games don't count. Can I complain now- especially after I watched Barkley pass for 6 TDs yesterday? Tannehill isn't ready. He's getting ZERO help, but he's not ready. -EK

Well that's the year guys, maybe next year, LOL.............

Barkley played vs SYRACUSE! The worst team in the BIG EAST conference!!  Tannehill is playing the #2 Defense in the NFL! Give me a break with this nonsense!!!! Like Miami would automatcially get Barkley next year, like they were a "sure thing" to get Luck. How did that work out!

P.S...the preseason games still don't count! So every time there is a tipped ball it means that preseason games matter? Rookie QB in the 2nd Quarter Week 1 and one idiot fan wants him benched and another wants to draft another QB next year.

Fireman EK is back!

wow what has happened to this team

And a fumble to take the cake. This circus must end now. Forfeit the game now, ha ha ha

Are the picks off the receivers hands?  I don't have a stream for this game.    

Houston is batting balls at the line of scrimmage

At the end of the year- after 16 games (which I doubt Tannehill will finish)- can I say THEN that I told you so about him? Shoulda gone after a receiver and drafted a QB next year. -EK

4 turnovers, 24 points off.

Put this one down for a loss, and maybe try another quarterback in the second half, just for fun.

yeah, see ya in December then. Keep rooting for the Fins to lose. Fireman EK

P.S..if the preseason matters how come the Jets scored more TD's in 1 quarter than they did in the entire preseason! Sorta blows up your "preseason matters" stance

That's it bench a rookie QB after 1 half in Week 1

Football IQ is low today people. Seriously.

4 turnovers in the 1st half.  thats where houston got all of their points from

Oh and one here we come. As scheduled.....

I didn't say it mattered- don't twist my words. I said throughout the preseason that Tannehill stares down his receivers and gets waaaaaay to many balls tipped at the line. I pointed out that this was a sign of things to come. And I was right. -EK

Is the season over yet?

Did you watch Luck? Same thing happened to him. Damn near all rookie QB stares down receivers.

This is beyond a silly discussion. People expect rookie QB's to be Joe Montana come the 1st quarter of the 1st game.

did you watch RG3?  he doesn't look like a rookie

also vs a bad saints defense

defense needs to get a pick

a bright spark as a punt is returned for a TD.

Now can the defense, which has been SUPERB today, force another stop?

That's a weak excuse. You said it's a silly discussion because of what rookies do realistically vs. expectations. He pointed out a flaw in your argument. You can't now make excuses for the defense. Either way- it's off topic of the fact that Tannehill is not the solution at QB. I said it before they drafted him, throughout the preseason, and continue saying it. That doesn't make me not a Dolphin's fan. I want success for the team. I'm tired of them over-reaching on players and having to then act like they're better than they are because I'm a loyal "fan." As a fan I should be allowed to say, "this team stinks. As fans we deserve better. Every year I drive all over half the country for either a preseason or regular season game. I invest my time, money, and passion in the team." Pointing out that this week's flavor for Marino's replacement is no better than any of the rest doesn't make me less of a fan. NOT realizing it means your head's in the sand. -EK

well, the defense is getting shredded now.

Defense is folding...

Based on 2 quarters of play. WOW! unreal.  F'n unreal.

The Defense couldn't come up with a stop.

You gotta give tannehill more time than his first preseason and 2 quarters. I'm sure you gave Chad Henne more time than that.

everyone knows its a rebuilding year and we have no weapons on offense but people want Tannehill benched after 2 quarters and want to draft a QB next year already.

This is called TAKING YOUR LUMPS! This is what Troy Aikman went through in the 1-15 year. It's what was somewhat expected.

Some fans are just clueless

And this is my point exactly. Throughout the preseason I said it, and your response was "preseason doesn't matter." Now it's the regular season and he looks the exact same. How long before it's OK to say- no go. The guy's not the answer. Give me a solid answer. 3 games? 8 games? An 0-16 season?

Regarding Henne- I heard from multiple people here that he sucked as soon as he came in for Pennington. At least be consistent. Admit that you just love or hate a guy with no actual reason. -EK

Henne didn't suck when he came in for Pennington he ripped the Jets defense up and WON his first start. Stop making stuff up.

Tannehill isn't the answer after 2 quarters....CLUELESS! You are clueless! Did you say the same thing after Peyton Manning's bad rookie year? Or Aikman's? You are clueless on this and lost! You don't know what you are talking about.

2 quarters and he is already a bust. Give me  a break

I too thought throughout preseason Tannehill stared down his receivers and figured it would be a problem. I also thought it could be coached to not do such a thing but it would be a bad year because of it. So far it has. But I'm not going to think Tannehill is going to be Cam Newton or RG3. I should also say I wanted Henne in up until last year. Tannehill needs coaching and some weapons.

Fine. Answer the question, then. How long before- in your eyes- it's a fair assessment? I'm at a loss for how you can make excuses for his play on the field. It's been horrible! -EK

he isn't the first rookie QB to struggle in 1 half of play. And as Dan Fouts (who knows a few things about QB's) said...only 1 of those INT's were his fault. The other 2 were just great plays by a great defender on a great defense!

More than 2 quarters!  ::)

Talk to me at Columbus Day. Jesus christ, 2 quarters and you are labeling a guy a bust. Get a clue!

Give the kid a break!!!!!!

Have you seen Staffords, Bree's and Fitzpatricks day so far???


I'd rather lose every game, building the kids confidence than watch Moore come in and do what??????

Stop dodging the freaking question. I've been saying he's not the answer for months and gotten nothing but grief for it. He's done nothing to show otherwise- in fact his play has gotten worse throughout the preseason and he looks so far out of his element today there's no defensible position that can be made about how good he is. So for the last time, at what point in the season can I say he sucks? Or will you just never admit he sucks no matter what because you liked the pick? -EK

Damn only the end of the 3rd. A whole quarter of this shit left. Where's my bottles of Gin and Jägermeister, time to pass out for the day !!!

One again it looks like we won't score anything on offense, what a crapfest.....

I have answered the question you either can't read or are ignoring it. Stop TROLLING

Because of the punt return we only ran 3 offensive snaps in the 3rd quarter

Fine. Come December, I'll expect no more excuses from you about Tannehill. Till then, ignore my posts. They're going to be brutally honest about how bad the kid is. -EK

Fireman EK! Jets #1 Homer! How's Tebow stat line look today? Oh wait...lol

Really?????????

That bad?????  Based on what???? 1 game against a team expected to win 12 plus games....on the road????

Really???????

Yeah really.  They put up a fight in the first quarter then gave the game away.  Meanwhile, Brandon Marshall is catching balls left and right in Chicago today.  Which confirms my suspicions.  He just didn't want to play for Fireland.

We're not allowed to mention Marshall. I've been told in no unspecific terms that he's gone and not coming back and to get over it. -EK

Nice pass by Tannehill!  Better catch by Hartline!

At least Philbin is using his challenge flags...a little more on the ball than our last HC

Well imagine that- another tipped ball. Does he have more tips or completions this half? -EK

Coaching was good today. Playcalling was good also. Miami just doesn't have the horses to compete with a team like Houston who on par with NE as the best team in the AFC.

Peyton Mannings 1st start statline:

1998:   21/37   302 yds.  1td/ 3 int. in a LOSS...one of 13 that season


Did the Colts give up on him....just saying Tannehill needs time.

Already seeing the difference in Ponder, Gabbert and Locker in their 2nd season.

You're not seriously going to compare Manning's 11,000 yards, 89 TDs, and 39-6 NCAA career record with Tannehill's 19 starts in college are you? You can't compare him with other guys who came out of college with substantial experience. It's not apples to apples. -EK

No, but I can compare there 1st starts and for that matter most rookie QB's 1 st starts.

Who gives a fuck about college stats now? They are in the NFL

Who is this guy that keeps doing this-UO


 ::)

It's assinine to compare Manning with what everyone KNEW he could do coming out of college, to Tannehill and his unproven track record. That clear enough for ya? -EK

he wasn't comparing that. He was comparing their first ever NFL starts   ::)

Which is stupid because they are NOT the same caliber player. Future hall of fame QB who is one of the top five QBs of all time juxtaposed against a rookie who can't throw over the line of scrimmage. Really?

You guys keep drinking the Tannehill Kool Aid. It amazes me that now he's being compared to Manning and people are backing up this comparison, not shooting it down. Have fun with that. 2 years from now when Miami is in the same boat they've been in for the past 20 years, what will you guys say then? -EK

Holy crap!!! I listened to the game on the radio and didn't expect to see all the "sky is falling" stuff on here. Let's see ... according to Bob Griese, Jimmy Cefelo, Joe Rose and Kim Bokamper the three INTs came from a bad route from a reciever, and two tipped balls. All of them blamed the tipped balls on the offensive line not engaging the defenders. They blamed a fumble on a very hard head shot that knocked him out of the game.

Other than a 5 minute meltdown we did some good things today.  So we don't make the Super Bowl this year? Who freaking thought we would?

Next week we take care of the Raiders and go to 1-1.

We'll see how Tannehill moves forward from this and against a projected middle of the pack defense.

Well I watched the game and saw the same thing I saw all preseason from Tannehill. He's not ready to be a starter. Maybe he will be someday if he gets a chance to learn, but this "throw him out there and let him take his lumps" mentality is a mistake. If the team was going to suck all year any way, I don't see the logic and not letting him sit a year. Next week if Miami gets thumped by Oakland behind more bad plays from Tannehill- and no the line was not responsible for the tips; he did this numerous times in the preseason, as well- what will the excuses be then?? -EK

The radio people are right. Dan Fouts said the same exact thing. 3 INT's, and 2 weren't Tanny's fault.  We got a couple fans here who HATE Tannehill and are happy to see him fail.

The Sun Sentinal- and most non-Miami fans- disagree:

"1. Let’s get right to the prime question of the opening loss: Why are so many Ryan Tannehill passes being tipped and intercepted. These help changed Sunday from a 3-3 game after the first quarter into a 24-3 Houston lead at half. First, Houston led the league last year in knocking down passes. So they’re – and primarily defensive end J.J. Watt – good at it. But this was a preseason issue for the Dolphins and it’s one to clear up. Of Tannehill’s three interceptions in the first half, two were on deflections..."

If you only listen to Miami media, you're only going to get homer point of view. -EK

Dan Fouts is part of the Miami media?

No not Fouts. I wasn't specifically speaking to him. I have no idea what he or anyone else "saw" but Tannehill was not blameless on those tips. This has been a concern throughout the preseason and now it's a concern in the game. To say they were "not his fault" is the ultimate homer statement. -EK

NFL.com as well. I watched the highlights.... but that could have been Fouts now that I think of it.

Either way if the lineman are knocking balls down then they aren't engaged ... I don't care who says it. I'll take Jimmy's word on the route running as both being a reliever and Dolphin insider he would know more than most.

Miami was a 13 pt dog for a reason, Houston is really really good. Their defense was #2 ranked last year. As the Sun Sentinel said, Houston led the league in knocking down balls at the LOS and JJ Watts is a master of doing that. The sky isn't falling. Only 1 guy is happy that Tannehill failed.

Most level headed fans didn't expect greatness from Day 1, not with the supporting cast he has. This is why its a rebuilding year. This is called taking your lumps now. Working out issues now. Why some people are "surprised" by this I have no idea. Was Tanny great today, no. But he wasn't awful either.

So, to recap:

If you were a longtime college starter, then you get years and years to prove yourself (e.g. Sam Bradford, whose first stat line was 32/55 for 253, 1 TD, 3 INT).

However, if you started less than 20 games in college (e.g. Tannehill) then you get exactly one half of one game to prove whether or not you are ready for the NFL.

That's the logic by one jaded fool!!

After 2 quarters a guy is a BUST! lol

No TD's versus 3 INTs and a fumble; 216 yards passing and it took nearly 40 attempts to get there; QB rating of 39.0. That's not awful? While you believe I want Tannehill to fail, I do not. I believe he is not a good QB. After one week, I'm pointing out the obvious- he's not a good QB.

He didn't do anything in college to warrant a first round pick. Comparing him now to Manning or Bradford or players who actually played significant time at QB in college is just silly. Why do you suppose he only got 19 starts? Clearly he wasn't as good as some people believed or he would have been a clear cut starter from the get go. Hope you folks are stocking up on crow, because I'm telling you he isn't the answer and sooner or later one of two things happens- you all see it and can admit you're wrong and I was right, OR he turns oh to be the team savior and wins a ton of games, at which point I'll gladly admit I was wrong. Either way I'm happy! -EK

He had MORE college starts than Cam Newton and Mark Sanchez. WTF is it with you and college starts. It's a meaningless thing to judge things by.

What is it with college starts? What kind of redshirt senior has only 20 of them? Every drawback on the guy in terms of his scouting report was lack of experience. He doesn't have the talent that a Cam Newton has to overcome that. Going back to April, Mike Mayock said Tannehill "will get eaten alive" if he has to play in 2012. No one outside of Miami felt like he had the experience or talent to start this year. That's what it is with me and his college starts- he lacks the experience at QB to be successful, and further, lacks the talent to overcome that. 3-13 is 3-13 whether he sits and develops or gets killed physically and mentally every week. He's off to a pretty good indicator that maybe sittin him for a year may have been a better decision. -EK

You look at Alex Smith and think about how he was almost run out of SF.......but with time and a solid supporting cast he arguably has been one of the better Qbs in the NFL from last season and including today...staying with and even outperforming Rodgers.

Tannehill should be judged after a few more starts....meaning if by week 4, his stat line consistently shows too many batted down balls, and INTS, then put the clipboard in his hands.  Until then, I think he will show improvement and win us a few games.  Oakland and Houston are 2 different teams on both sides of the ball.....the latter being elite.

By the way...
Stafford 3 INTS
Vick.      4 INTS
Fitz.       3 INTS
Weeden. 4 INTS
Luck.       3 INTS
Newton.   2 INTS / game in progress

He wasn't alone in having a less than stellar performance.

Perhaps you should go tell that to the professional NFL talent evaluators, who rated him higher than last year's #1 overall pick.

This is among the most ridiculous statements you've ever made, on multiple levels:

1) Ryan Tannehill started the very first regular-season game after being drafted and you're bashing him for... not earning the starting job fast enough?  Or perhaps you're just bashing him because the coaching staff actually made him earn the spot, instead of just handing to him on draft day?

2) Whether or not you are handed the starting job on day 1 has very little to do with how good you are and everything to do with how bad your team's QB situation is.  Eli Manning did not start on day 1.  Neither did Aaron Rodgers, Philip Rivers, or Jay Cutler.

So basically, if Tannehill wins a bunch of rings and/or makes multiple Pro Bowls, then you're wrong, but otherwise, you're right.  What a bold and risky position you have taken!

Using this same logic, the Dolphins have drafted, what, five "good" players in the last 35 years?

When did I say he needed to do any of those things? You looooove taking the Reductio ad absurdum approach, but honestly- it's tired. Get some new material.  If he wins a ton of games over the next, say, three years- and by a ton, I mean more than 30, which would be 30-18 in three years- I'd consider myself wrong. If he's, say 18-30, or if he doesn't even make it that far (this would be my guess) then I'm not. -EK

I think everyone is flying off the handle.  I was the person who said they should pull Tannehill, and its not because I think he is the worst player ever.  The reasons why I said pull him was becasue we were only down by 17pts and we had lots of time to try and get back into the game.  Also after throwing 3 picks I was more concerned with his confidence.   he was getting beaten on pretty hard and maybe throwing Moore into the game could get the team moving.   But next game start Tannehill.   I like Tannehill and his skills i just didnt want the rookie getting thrown to the wolves.  

So in other words, he needs to average 10 wins a year (0.625 win pct) in his first three years for you to retract your opinion (issued after one half of the first game) that he is not an NFL quality starter (read: a bust).

Here are some totally unrelated statistics for the consumption of the viewing public:

Mark Sanchez- 27-20 over his first three years (average of 9 wins per year, 0.574 win pct)
Tim Tebow- 8-6 over his first two years (0.571 win pct)

I'm sure that your publicly stated evaluations of those two players (relative to their win percentages) is perfectly consistent with the expectations you just laid on Tannehill, right?

My publicly stated opinion that Sanchez sucked the second half of last year and that I got caught up in the Tebow hype and completely overrated him as a QB? Guess you missed those posts. Just stop, Spider. You have no chance WHATSOEVER of convincing me of your POV. Tannehill is not NFL ready. I don't care what you say, how you say it, or what previous posts you bring up- it isn't going to change my opinion of him. So stop wasting your time. -EK

I actually have no expectation that your position will be consistent, because I vividly remember that you were trashing Sanchez (during the FIRST half of last season) until I pointed out that any evaluation that grades Tebow as good would have to grade Sanchez as great.  Then you immediately turned on a dime and started praising Sanchez.

So as far as this relates to Ryan Tannehill, I fully expect that you will trash him until such time that it becomes inconvenient for some new argument that you're in, at which point you'll pull a 180 and "change your mind" to avoid having to abandon some other position you've taken.  I am doing this to point out to astute readers that while there will be detractors to Tannehill, some of the points being made against him are not entirely consistent and should be weighed as such.

As for my own position on Tannehill: I neither proclaim him a savior, nor a bust.  I say that (given the position at which he was drafted, not his performance in college or any other such nonsense) Miami needs to give him at least two full seasons before they can properly evaluate him.  Chad Henne got more than that, and he was a second-rounder.

Well said! ;D

Preach Spider!

Shocker! Spider's bandwagon chimes in. There were three or four other people who also said the loss was on Tannehill and that he stunk Sunday. The "Shame of the Game" thread is predominantly naming Tannehill, but as usual, I'm the one Spider and Mike go after. If anyone else said the exact same thing, you'd have nothing to say- and your silence toward others validates that. Credibility? Zero. -EK