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The Cards are up next..in AZ. They are 3-0 and have a tremendous defense. Yesterday against Philly, Vick was sacked 5 times and knocked down a whopping 13 times. Not sure how our O line compares to Philly's, but if I were Tanny, I would be practicing my roll-outs.

FWIW, I think Zona is better than most people think. Their big question was at QB and since Skelton got hurt, Kolb has done a VG job. This one could be ugly!

Our O-Line is playing lights out right now. It's the lack of weapons that screws our offense.

With Jon Jerry finally in shape and living up to his 3rd round draft pick potential and Martin playing really really well for a rookie RT this o-line is outstanding right now. It went from a great weakness to a great strength on this team.  Even when Bush went out yesterday the Fins ran for over 100+ yards on the vaunted Jets defense.

I have no expectations for the rest of the year...

LMAO! Really? the vaunted Jets defense? The Jets are 28th in the league in run defense. Gaining 100 yards on them is no feat. Teams are averaging 148 yards per game against them, lol. -EK

This will be an interesting game.....the Cards D is fast and they are good. If we can get pressure on Kolb he has a tendency to go into happy feet mode and make mistakes. I am hoping for a lot of the later.

Seriously?  YOU are running to the stat sheet to hide behind? You are the one who for months upon months on this site said Miami being 3rd in rushing defense and 6th in scoring defense didn't matter last year! Now you are running to bring up the Jets rushing defense ranking on Sep 24th only 3 weeks into the season?  You are the one who said you don't judge these things on a single year and you must take into account last year and the year before. Now you are hiding behind team rushing defense 3 weeks into the season. So now the Jets defense sucks I take it in your world? Last year great, now 3 weeks into the season it sucks.


Oh and that first round can't miss stud rookie for the Jets Coples has 4 tackles in 3 games!

If Reggie Bush doesn't play Miami has no shot in hell. The Cards defense is very fast and will eat up an offense like Miami that has few playmakers at WR.  If Bush plays Miami might be able to control the clock and keep it close and make it a field goal game late and hopefully this week Carpenter will come through. With no Bush though it's a tall task asking this offense to beat anyone let alone a very good Arizona team on the road

I'm not running behind anything- the back-up RB for the Bills burned the Jets for over 150 yards by himself. That's not a good run D. You don't need stats to see that. Sorry that reality doesn't match your skewed view. Maybe you should pop in to the Hartline thread for another dose of reality. I'll save you the trip: Hartline dropped a higher % of passes than Marshall did last year. Glad we got rid of 1200+ yards, and 7-+ receptions to keep a player who is more likely to drop passes.

Speaking of first rounders who can't miss- your boy Tannehill? Dead last in the league in passer rating for starters. -EK

When did Tannehill become my boy? Who ever stated he was a can't miss? Find a post where anyone here ever said that? Save your time, nobody ever did! As I stated in April like 10,000 times I said if Philbin/Sherman/Irleand believe in him I support their decision to draft him. If they don't, I am fine with that too. Hey he beat the Raiders and if Carpenter makes a kick he beats the Jets. He is doing fine by me, I am pleased 3 games into the Tannehill era. With NO WR's really he is doing just fine in my book. And he led 2 LATE DRIVES vs the Jets with no Reggie Bush. He did it with Hartline, Bess, and Daniel Thomas. Not exactly Irvin, Harper, and Emmitt! Some rookie mistakes thus far but oh well, it's expected.Kurt Warner and Trent Dilfer are higher on Tannehill than I am, go read them. But I have no problem with Ryan so far. He has played Houston and the Jets (2 very good defenses) so if the stats aren't great oh well. In my book Ryan and the Fins could easily be 2-1 if Carpenter makes a kick and instead of a loss all people are talking about is how Tanny led a game winning drive in OT with maybe the worst supporting cast in the NFL vs a very good defense.

We know, you HATE Tannehill. You won't be here on this site weeks he plays good. You will be here weeks he plays bad to repeat over and over again how much you HATE him. Tebow is God, Tannehill is the Devil. We got it EK. The Fireman EK character, we all get it!

Agreed....this is why I breathed a big sigh of relief to hear that Reggie did not suffer a devastating injury like Revis. He is an explosive and exciting player to watch and he really is our offense. I'd like to see him play live this weekend.

Against a very good defense? What planet are you living on? They're a middle of the pack defense at best this year, and they were without Revis. That's NO accomplishment. -EK

Revis didn't play at all yesterday? Interesting. Saw him out there for most of 3 quarters. Must have seen a different game than the rest of us.

You specifically said "two late drives." No Revis on those, thus not impressive. Trapped by your own words or were you watching a different game than the rest of us?

So, to recap, the Jets are in the bottom third of the league in total defense, bottom half of the league in scoring defense, nearly LAST (28th) in run defense, but they're a "very good" defense? And it was an accomplishment for Miami to run on them and Tannehill to have two late drives without Revis there? Wtf? When you sober up, you may want to note that Tannehill went 1/7 on long pass attempts in the fourth quarter and OT (you know, without Revis) and had a QB rating of 50 in said game. Yeah... He's real impressive. -EK

So EVERY QB who has a late drive in a game that isn't against Revis makes it a non-impressive drive?  You have to be kidding me.  This has to be a joke.

Also Tannehill converted 3 third downs (2 third and long's) late in the game to get Miami in field goal range. But that doesn't count either cause no Revis! lol

So nothing Tannehill does the rest of the year will matter because he won't be facing Revis so, he can't be impressive. ::)

We're not talking about EVERY QB in EVERY game. We're talking about Tannehill against the Jets. Don't reduce your argument by reductio ad absurdum because you were wrong. The Jets defense is nothing special this year. Calling them "very good" is ludicrous and shows- how's that phrase of yours go? Wait, got it- football IQ. They may have been very good last year, but his year they are pretty mediocre. Evaluating any success Tannehill had against them as some sort of accomplishment is indicative of the entire issue with Tannehill- some fans are so happy to have someone under center drafted in round one, or someone not named Henne or Moore, they will happily pretend shit doesn't stink, even in the face of absolute facts: WORST QB in football. WORST. And he couldn't finish late drives against an average defense without their top player. -EK

Remind me to give your boss a call on your third day of a new job.  If you aren't making the grade after that third day, you're out.

Easy being judge, jury and executioner from your recliner.

Me?  I'd like to see how the kid is going to do over a little more than THREE games.  I'm so unreasonable like that.

Not the same thing- if I was the "boss," as per your comparison, I wouldn't have hired the guy to start with. I said from the get go he isn't an NFL ready QB, and certainly not worth the 8th pick. But if you really want to use your comparison, be honest- he's been a Dolphin longer than three days. He was drafted in April. So, if after 5 months of me working at a job, which I was hired at with very high expectations, and the entire company changed it's philosophies to suit my background and talents, I would certainly hope that ANYONE's boss would make some changes if there's not improvement. -EK

Funny how you are one of the few not seeing any improvement considering you are one of the few who thought he was mistake to begin with. Funny how that is  ... don't you think?

He's got the worst QB rating in the entire league. There's NO WAY to interpret that as improvement. "Funny" how no one else seems to see this. Against an average Jets team his QB rating was a 50, and his total QBR was just under 32. How is that improvement? -EK

Bill Belichik said it the best I've ever heard. Ugg I think I threw up a little. He said he never evaluates people based on stats and that stats are for losers. Too many variables between one invidual and another.

OK, so throw out all the stats, records, whatever. Where is there improvement? I could have intercepted his pass to Landry. He rolled out in his own freakin end zone and never looked anywhere BUT his receiver. And just so you don't think I'm the only one who sees no improvement, from the Miami Herald:

"The Jets didn’t blitz Ryan Tannehill as often as feared but they didn’t have to. The rookie had some accuracy issues. He had a big mistake in locking onto Anthony Fasano — allowing Jets safety LaRon Landry to read his eyes and intercept a pass he returned for a touchdown. Tannehill did have the 41-yard completion to Brian Hartline but the two failed to hook up most of the afternoon. GRADE: D. "

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/09/24/3017871/grading-the-game-dolphins-vs-jets.html#storylink=cpy

And from CBS Sports: "With the way that Weeden is improving, it appears that Tannehill is struggling the most of any of the rookie quarterbacks. Grade: C-"

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/20341408/nfl-week-3-grading-the-rookies

You guys need to get your heads out of the sand on this guy. He stinks. -EK

Let's be honest. Tanny was not ready to start in the NFL. Garrard getting hurt and Moore laying a turd in PS pushed the issue. He is doing the best he can and will get better. He has one of the worst WR corps in the league. Thank goodness for Bush and the running game.

My biggest concern is his recent tendency to lock in on a receiver. I never saw it much in pre-season, but it was very evident  against the jets, including the pick 6. THAT IS A PROBLEM!

My biggest concern- my concern from the get go, is that Miami drafts him, despite numerous sources saying he sucks, and play him for a couple of years, miss out on better quarterbacks they could draft in the future, realize that he actually DOES suck in year 3 and then start the whole QB search over again. Freaking Ryan Mallett would have been a better pick, but no, the boneheads in the front office traded UP to pass on him and get Dan Thomas. I didn't need three years to realize he sucked. I watched him play in college and he sucked then. He got balls tipped, he completed a low % of balls (and let's be honest, that's a metirc that goes down, not up when QB's turn pro), and was over rated by quite a few (but not all, as some would have you believe) people going into the draft. Not sure why the board is all pissy now that it turns out he started out as crap and is actually NOT improving. Well, at least there's this- I have agreed not to label him a bust for 8 more weeks. By then, he could have led Miami to a 1-6 record, and have 20 INTs. -EK

If I understand you correctly, passer rating is now a valuable tool in evaluating a quarterback's effectiveness?

Because last year when Tebow was stinking up the joint, passer rating was a meaningless number for nerds.

 :D  :D  :D

Which is why I followed up that post with


If you're going to go out of your way to single me out in a thread without actually offering anything to the topic at hand, at least quote me in my entirety. -EK

I quoted your entire post and you're complaining that... I didn't also quote another later post, too?

Should I quote every single post in a thread before I reply?

Barry Jackson had this Tannehill stat in the Herald today...

Tannehill’s 94.8 rating in the fourth quarter this season is 11th-best in the league.

Wait what? All I heard from every person here last year when I mentioned Tebow's astounding 4th quarter rating was that one quarter doesn't count- you play the whole game. Now we're throwing that at the window for RT? His overall QB rating is still next to last in the league. Consistency, please? -EK

Difference is I am NOT using this stat to say Tannehill is a "one in a million talent" or a "Top 10 NFL QB"....I am just presenting the stat as something interesting I came across and I didn't use it to prop up any opinion. Because I didn't give an opinion. I just shared the stat I found.

Don't read so much into every little thing I post.

And I pointed out that his overall rating is next to last. Don't look so much into my posts. -EK

I wasn't even quoting or responding to you bro when I made my original post. Take a chill pill