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With the Pats loss the Fins are tied for 1st.

Jets-Pats play each other next week. Miami-Jets the following week.



Well the Bills just won so its a 4 way tie for 1st so probably shouldn't be too excited! lol

I'm happy as heck the Fins are tied for first.  With the exception of the Texans and Ravens, no other AFC team is doing really well.  Unfortunately after the bye the tough part of the season starts for Miami with (5) divisional games, a home game against the Seahawks (who inexplicably keep winning), and a road trip to the 49ers (which inspite of their loss today are probably one of the best NFC teams).

The Jets and Colts games are among the most winnable of the remaining (10) games, I think the only way Miami gets in the playoffs is if they tie for 1st in the division, and win the spot on tie breaker rules.

I was just going to say the entire division is 3-3 division games are going to be very important coming up.

I think the EASY part of the schedule is coming up for Miami. Jets, Bills TWICE, Tenn, Colts, Jags, Seattle (cross country trip, 1pm game). Yes they got SF and NE TWICE. Miami could easily find themselves at 8 or 9 wins and in some wild tiebreaker situation at the end of December for a wildcard. If NE isn't so hot they could end up possibly challenging them for the division. Although I think NE will right the ship soon though and run away with the AFC East.

Fins tied for last place!  The season is a disaster!

LOL, I knew someone would say that. I thought it would have been our resident Jets fan spinning it as Tannehill is the QB of a last place team! LOL

I am very proud of this team, but being a New York pessimist I can't help but say F#$%@ING CARPENTER!!!

I hope your right.  I always think of divisional games as being the toughest (no matter where the two teams are ranked) becuase there is so much familiarity and rivalries from playing so often.  I do like the attitude this TEAM seems to have versus recent teams.

Seriously, though, Miami is really in third place.  Division record is important, and based on division record right now, the standings are actually:

NYJ
NE
MIA
BUF

Furthermore, two of NE's losses are to NFC teams, which are the "best" losses you can get.  NE is sitting pretty from the tiebreaker standpoint.

Not sure how legit "easy" this is. I'd be shocked if they sweep the Bills. Division games don't seem to go that way. I don't think the Seattle game is an easy one either after they just beat NE. The bigger prob with this statement is that the rest of the division has most of the same schedule- with the Jets getting the Rams instead of SF and the Pats getting the Rams instead of Seattle. It's entirely possible they could be in position for a wild card or the division, but at this point, making that statement seems like counting your chickens, especially in light of what Spider noted about division record. The AFCE seems like the wackiest division this year. NE looked crazy good two weeks in a row, then they blow a lead late in a game they absolutely dominated the stats. The Jets looked like they were on the way to a 5 win season, then they blew up for 250 rushing yards this week. I doubt they do that against Miami, but somehow the Rams rushed for 6 yards a carry against them. IMO, it's too early to start thinking division title based on every team in the division having almost the same schedule. -EK

If it was September 1st, and someone told you:

"going into week 7, the Dolphins will be tied with the Patriots for 1st in the AFC East"

...you'd have laughed them out of the building.

Absolutely. If it was Sept. 1st, and someone told you:

"going into week 7, the Dolphins will be tied with the Bills for 4th in the AFC East"

...you'd have agreed whole-heartedly. There's still 10 games left to play. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. -EK

^^ wow, you really are the eternal pessimist.  So disappointing.  Way to pee in everyone's Cheerios.

I'm not a pessimist, I'm a REALIST. This board is the biggest group of manics I've ever come across. Hartline has one great game, now he's suddenly a very good receiver. Miami is realistically in third place in the division, but let's talk division titles. RG3 gets hit once, and now he's "fragile." Romo has a 5 INT game, now he should be cut. Marshall drops a fewer % of passes thrown to him than the aforementioned Hartline, but his "drop problem" means he should be shipped out. Every move that works out must be a Philbin move because he's great; every move that doesn't must be an Ireland move because he sucks. No room for a grey area. There's a big picture- a long term season that people just seem to discount. It's silly. No- it's fanatical. -EK

Lol everyone sits at .500 in the AFC east.

@ EK -
You do realize this is a "FAN SITE" right?  Its full of fans.  Which is short for "fanatic"

I agree with you on some points but call it like it is, Mr. Realist.  The standings are all tied.  Every team has the same record.  But instead of possibly having a positive point of view, and saying that they're tied with New England for 1st, you choose to say they're tied with Buffalo for last.  Both are true statements, but its all about perspective.

What's sad is that the negativity surrounding this team has been rampant for 10+ years, and finally there's something to be excited about and YOU are one of the few still pooping all over the team.  Maybe you should consider seeing the Dolphins' glass half full, instead.

I didn't say that they were tied for last or 4th. I refuted your Sept. comment with a similar "what if" scenario. Talking division title is not realistic, IMO, no matter how big a fan you are. It's interesting that you mention the negativity surrounding the tema for so long, because from my point of view, it looks less like, "wow, they're good, and we should be excited," and more like, "we've been bad for so long, we should settle for average and act like it's great, even if it's not." I'm not pooping all over the team; I'm just not going to act like chicken poop is chicken salad. I'm glad they won, but do you really think giving up 462 yards and only accounting for 192 total yards (like they did against a team giving up well over 300 per game) week in and week out is going to win a division? The team has made improvements in many key areas. Tannehill is far better at this point than I thought he would be. The defense keeps them in many games. I think a realistic finish at this point- and this is ammended from my 5-11 prediciton, so I'm not pooping on anything- is 8-8. Playoffs maybe next year, but I don't see it this year. That's not negative, it's reality. -EK

^^ Many points I don't disagree with here.  But I never said anything about division title.

In REALITY, every team has the same opponents (for the most part) going forward and every team has the same record.  So the Dolphins have put themselves in a position (thanks mostly to New England's ineptitude) to jockey for the division if they keep improving.

I know you didn't, but this:


Is what I was referring to. Citing the upcoming schedule as soft, when it's the essentially same for all four teams, AND in reality the Jets (who hold a tiebreaker) and Pats (who honestly still have more talent than any team in the division) having differences that *should* be even easier than Miami's schedule is not a recipe for "challenging for the division," or in my opinion, even a wild card. -EK

Agree with you EK that we should be cautious about being too optimistic at this point, but I think the point that was being made about the schedule being "soft" had more to do with the schedule that Miami has played to this point and their schedule over the next 4 games. Miami has played 2 teams that were ranked in the top 10 by ESPN's power rankings in their first 6 games and only 1 team ranked in the bottom third. By contrast in their next 4 games they only play teams ranked in the bottom third of the league. The Bills have to play 2 teams currently ranked in the top 10 in their next 4 and the Jets have to play 1. New England is the only team in the AFC East that has as easy of schedule as Miami over the next 4 games.

Coming off a bye week and playing 4 games that they should be competitive in is about as rosy a picture as one could have imagined at this point in the season. They have already pretty much won as many games as most "analysts" thought they would win this whole year. If they win 2 or 3 of the next 4 they will have pretty much already met the expectations of even the most optimistic of fans. Any win after that is just gravy.

Amen, bro.
Considering the season outlook, I for one am celebrating. Is the season over? No. If they somehow make the playoffs and lose, am I disappointed? No. If they finish 3-13, am I upset? No. They already exceeded my expectations. The important thing is they are laying the groundwork for good things to come. Realism has it's place. But doesn't exist to me this week.

Because he ISN'T a Dolphins fan! Save you're time! He ain't worth it. He is a Jets troll!

Exactly!

Actuall NE is still in first.  Both NE and Jets have the exact same division record (100%) but NE's conf record is better than the Jets.

Although it is very low down on the tiebreaker list...

Point difference is very wide:

NE +51
Fins +3
Jets -8
Bills -55

You would expect teams that have with a +3 or -8 to have a tied record.  But not teams that are +51 or -55. 

NE has been winning blowouts and losing squeakers, Bills are losing blowout and barely winning squeakers. 

Since when are records measured in percentages?

A team that is 2-0 is ahead of a team that is 1-0.

^^^ the phrase from the NFL is "won-lost-tied percentage"

More importantly than our record, is that Tannehill is playing well with a shit core of receivers. Don't let Hartline's big game fool you, he is not the new Welker. Plus, Bush has been playing hurt and his numbers have been bad, but Tanny is still doing well.

He has far exceeded my expectations so far.

Way too early to get concerned with rankings in the division, esp. when most of the division games are still ahead for the Dolphins and I don't care who you are, 3-3 is nothing to brag about and talking about points and schedule ant this point is moot.

While I like what I have seen so far, they need to continue to get better. Games should not come down to a last second FG determining your destiny.



 

^^This.

@MikeO, since you won't let go of this Jets thing, either point me in the direction of when I've EVER said I love, like, or even tolerate the Jets or drop it. Not only is no one buying it, but you look silly chasing me through threads to say this and nothing more. Let's not talk around it and be circumlocutious- I'm a Tebow fan, and I won't deny that. Now, just because he's a Jet, I should hate him and root for him to fail? I didn't root for JT to fail as a Jet. I didn't root for LT to fail as a Jet because I liked him too, even though he was never a Dolphin. This kind of black and white mentality is bipolar. When you draft your fantasy teams, do you pass on Brady or Welker or the Jets D because they play for a rival? -EK

It seems to me that today, we're tied for the division lead (tiebreakers not withstanding) but that we're also tied for both wildcard spots.  Is this the case?

Yes. 7-way tie for the WC. Effectively 5th if you include the tie-breakers. ESPN ran an interesting piece on the AFCE with the writer's opinion on likelihood of making the playoffs for each team. They have the Pats 90% "likely," with Miami second in the division at 40% "likely," citing the lack of depth straight across the board and the poor play of the secondary (4/6 QBs have gone for over 300 yards against them) as the biggest potential stumbling blocks. -EK

http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/49376/sizing-up-the-afc-east

Yes.
I have never once had a Jets player on my fantasy team.

You don't play for Miami. You have no stake in their winnings or losings. If I'm in a money league (or even a non-money league), I'm not passing on a better player at a position because he plays for a rival. -EK

Your choice.
I am in a money league, have been for 12 years.  Never had a Jets player on my team.

And what about New England? I did ask about them both. You really gonna pass on Brady and perhaps lose money? No one is that delusional. -EK

I have never had Brady on my team but my hatred for the Patriots is significantly less than that for the Jets.  But I still have never had Brady, or Welker, Moss, Corey Dillon, etc.  I currently have Brandon Bolden in one league and Patriots defense in another league.

I avoid having to root for players who play for teams that I want to rot in hell.

Some of you guys take this shit far too seriously. It's just a freaking game. Good lord. I just don't get it. If Miami wins, I don;t get up happier or feel like my life is in any way better. If they lose, I don't get upset or depressed. Likewise if the Jets/Pats/Bills win I'm not bummed, nor am I happy if they lose, unless they were playing Miami. There are far too many things in the real world that matter more than the outcome of a game to me. -EK

I won't play in a money leagues anymore.  Cause the problem isn't just not having rival players but also you oppenant might have a player you want to do well for the real game purposes but do poorly for FF purposes.  

I have no issues drafting Jets players, despite my hatred of them personally.

Well this revelation clears up a lot for me EK. You see I AM one of those guys that gets up happier on a Monday when the Dolphins win on Sunday. It used to get me depressed for a couple days when the Dolphins would lose, but I shrug it off better now then I did because it has been happening far too often for me to let it bother me that much. Everyone of my family/friends knows that if you want to buy me a gift, just get something with a Dolphins logo on it and I will like it. My password for a lot of sites is Dolphins related. My PIN on my credit card is related to the Dolphins. I pretty much spend a part of everyday doing something Dolphins related (like checking out these forums).

I'm like you when it comes to every other team and every other sport I'm a fan of. I'm a Blackhawks and WhiteSox fan too, but if they lose it's no big deal and if they win it's nice, but unless it's the playoffs, I really don't care. So yes the Dolphins are different for me and I suspect that they are different for some of the others here too. Maybe that's why it's been so hard for me to understand your stance on Tannehill, but now I understand. I'm sorry if I offended you for suggesting that maybe you weren't a Dolphins fan, I didn't mean to offend you, but I think it's clear now that you're not the same kind of Dolphins fan that I am and I suspect you're not the same kind of Dolphins fan as some of the others here as well. That's not on you, it's on me, but I think if you were to put yourself into my shoes, you could better understand where I was coming from. When you live and die with a team the way I do, it's hard to imagine another fan being so negative about one of their players.

If football isn't that important to you and if so many other things are so much more important then its very odd you spend a lot of time on this board arguing about it 24/7/365. Just an observation.

Not any longer. 

Fins are now in second place. 

was going to happen regardless, someone had to win

Not necessarily, Donovan. 

Yeah one of those "ties" that take place once every 10 years...lol

I guess so, but lets be real.

What place would MIA have been in if NE and NYJ were both 3-3-1?

I would tend to think they should have been in third, based on division record.

Yup.  But that was the status they were in when this thread was started.