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Donald Trump came out yesterday and stated that he is going to make an announcement today that is going to make the entire country turn against Obama.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1012/82701.html

Anyone know what this mega-announcement is?  What could it possibly be?

I'm guessing he's going to say Obama is gay.

More like that Obama is his gay lover.  >:D Donald Trump kinda scares me now. Every time I think it's not possible for him to get any creepier, he just keeps on proving me wrong.

After the way Obama acted and his condescending comments in the debate the other night, does anyone really need to say anything? He displayed the maturity of a 2nd grader.

Was listening to talk radio this morning and they were talking about the election. A caller from Philly called in and said he was a member of the Teamsters union and they were all sick of Obama, but most were afraid to say anything. He went on to say that while he was a huge Obama supporter, after the 3rd debate, THAT WAS IT. He said, "I HAVE HAD ENOUGH OF THAT GUY."

ME too! 

What was it that was so condescending? Was it just the bit about the navy/bayonets/horses?

The rumor is that he's going to release divorce papers that Michelle Obama filed years (like, a decade) ago.

He posted a Youtrube video.  I haven't watched it yet. Something like he will donate 5 million to charity if Obama releases a bunch of personal information.

Sounds like Trump is still barking up that "he's not a US citizen" tree. Thought they already put this to bed...  Sad.

An announcement that there is to be an announcement. Yawn. I expect little to nothing of substance.

There was an announcement as Brian just stated.  He didn't say what was in the documents but is willing to give 5 million dollars to a charity of Obama's choice to have them public.

I can't imagine what is in his past that wouldn't be worth revealing for 5 million dollars.

With that said I hate that this is involved because of the election. I would rather it had been prior to or after if it really is that big.

They said on the radio that they want him to release his full college and passport transcripts, records, and history and they would donate $5mil to a charity of Obama's choice. If indeed that info hasn't been released, I really don't understand why Obama hasn't released that info just to shut people up. Seems kind of suspicious not releasing them.  Anyhow, it seems to me that if you had $5 mil. to spend, that you could get that info rather easily.

Trump is out of line.  I expect Obama to ignore him.  Trump needs to remember he's speaking to the President. Hate him or love him, but show him respect.

As I expected, a great big yawn.

He should wait until Election Night, then if Romney wins announce, "Barak Obama, you're fired"

I have slightly modified the above quote.  I am certain it will be seen as equally valid, though.

Please focus Spider, don't change the subject. We're talking about Donald Trump's announcement regarding Obama. His announcement has nothing to do with Romney, therefore this thread has nothing to do with Romney. Please, I know you like changing the subject and baiting people into getting off topic to deflect attention away from certain things. If you want to discuss Romney's tax returns, by all means start your own thread. Thanks, hope you are having a great day !!!

Let me be more direct:

Obama choosing not to release his college transcripts (something that Presidential candidates virtually never do) is not at all suspicious.  And most of the people who think that it is have no issue with Romney releasing only two years of tax returns (which is significantly less than the standard for Presidential candidates).

So any claims about the "suspicious" refusal to release college transcripts are naked partisanship.

Uh, they have boats they go under water. They are called submarines. Uh, they have big ships called aircraft carriers that they carry and land planes on!!


Just what to YOU call condescending? Please do tell. 

What is the minimum requirement for a Presidential nominee submission of tax returns? I really don't know.

I'll admit, I was a little surprised to see such an exchange, but the point was we don't need more military spending when the war has changed to needing a more agile force with a focus on less conventional things. Oh well.

And Romney should have replied, "But we don't have marines that can go to Libya or ammunition for their weapons."

George Romney released 12 years.

Didn't Romney release his tax returns? I mean ... isn't that the whole thing where everyone is comparing his capital gain taxes to their income tax? If so then I paid significantly less.

The REQUIREMENT is very low.  1 year...something like that.  Hell, it might be none.

For the past 30 years, until McCain, every candidate released at least 5 years.  Romney's father set the trend with 12 years.

How many presidential candidates, let alone presidents, have publicly released their application to college?  Or their passport applications?

This is not a normal request and should not even be entertained.  Next you want him to release his social security number and personal credit card info?

Trump needs to announce that he's giving up wearing those ridiculous wigs...

And self tanner. I will never understand self tanner.

There is no constitutional requirement for tax returns.  It is simply something that is expected as part of campaigning.

(http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/07/RepTaxReturns1.png)
(http://cdn.factcheck.org/UploadedFiles/2012/07/DemTaxReturns.png)

I am still waiting for G.W.B to release his attendence records for the Alabama National Air Guard.

And now from the other idiot -- Sarah Palin is here to remind us that Obama is black, and you can't trust n*****s. 


http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/palin-accuses-obama-shuck-jive-schtick-212555554--politics.html;_ylt=Av4OZ3QsWY06gUcWm_P3gyXNt.d_;_ylu=X3oDMTFka3BkYnE0BG1pdANCbG9nIEJvZHkEcG9zAzEEc2VjA01lZGlhQmxvZ0JvZHlBc3NlbWJseQ--;_ylg=X3oDMTMzZHM4ZHM5BGludGwDdXMEbGFuZwNlbi11cwRwc3RhaWQDNDNmZjk3OTItMmU2Zi0zM2FiLTlhZDYtNTU2MGExNWVlMzYwBHBzdGNhdANibG9nc3x0aGVsb29rb3V0BHB0A3N0b3J5cGFnZQ--;_ylv=3

^^What I find amusing is that all her comments really do is dissuade African Americans who might otherwise vote Republican from doing so.

so what was trump's big announcement?  he's finally admitting to having a toupee?

As was pointed out by one of my very democratic friends if this is offensive then they are going to have to address it on a national scale because it is a very common phrase among whites and blacks. With every ounce of honesty in my bones I had no idea "shuck and jive" was anything and still am not convinced.

From wikipedia ... Shuckin' and jivin' (or shucking and jiving) is a slang term for the behavior of joking and acting facetiously. More generally, the term can also refer to the speech and behavioral mechanisms adopted in the presence of an authoritative figure.[1] Shuckin' and jivin' usually involves clever lies and impromptu storytelling, used to one-up an opponent or avoid punishment. The term is also used in the Southern United States referring to deceit or mischief involving lies.[citation needed]

^^^^ did you see the date that wiki entry was made?

Checks something more reliable and you will see it has strong racial undertones. 

   

President Obama applied for college aid as a foreign student.

Regardless of the truth there is 5 million dollars on the line. That's a lot of money to leave on the table for no reason.

Sept. 29th. I don't get it. What does that prove? Anything could have been edited right? I'm asking because i don't know how it works.

I googled again and found this.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/shuck+jive
shucking and jiving 
noun Slang .
misleading or deceptive talk or behavior, as to give a false impression.

shucking and jive
 
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Main Entry:   dissemble  [dih-sem-buhl] Show IPA
Part of Speech:   verb
Definition:   disguise, pretend
Synonyms:    affect, camouflage, cloak, conceal, counterfeit, cover, cover up, dissimulate, double-talk, doublespeak, dress up, fake, falsify, feign, four-flush, hide, let on, make like, mask, pass, play possum, pussyfoot, put on a false front, put on a front, put on an act, put up a front, put up a smoke screen, sham*, shroud, shuck and jive, signify, simulate, stonewall, whitewash


Not too mention ... there are several restaurants called "shuck and jive". Seems if they were offensive they would be have been changed.

Um, there were a bunch of edits to that page on October 28th.  Does the point seem clear now?

This is not unlike when Palin claimed that Paul Revere was "warning the British" and the Palin-bots went on a rampage trying to edit Wikipedia after-the-fact to match up to her story.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/sarah-palin-fans-fight-over-paul-revere-wikipedia-page/2011/06/06/AGxtzHKH_blog.html

I didnt see that as I noted the Sept date but I don't really know what I'm looking for either on there.   I could argue it must have been changed after I looked but it really doesn't matter who edited what. The fact remains it's such common term that restaurants use it ....  but because an unpopular, irrelevant conservative used it ... it now becomes a big deal? Do you know how silly that sounds to unbiased people?

The same people that say the "possibility" that our president isn't even an American is a non story but yet Palin saying anything is a big deal. This does nothing for your cause outside of your base. Palin isn't even popular with all Republicans let alone independents.



.... Edited to add that I just googled again to find the Wikipedia page and I saw this page where a white man, in the White House, under Obama, used it not once but twice last year.

White House press secretary Jay Carney at the beginning of his Wednesday briefing reacts after bringing out the wrong notebook: "Sorry. I'm going to shuck and jive! Time to shuck and jive."
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/09/07/carney_im_going_to_shuck_and_jive.html

It matters in that if Palin fans run to edit the Wikipedia page the moment after she says something, it loses its value as a point of reference to defend her.

I humbly submit that no one offering an opinion on this topic is "unbiased," and so is unqualified to comment on what "unbiased" people think of this story.

"Nobody really cares about Palin" (something you claimed twice in this post) is kind of a tough story to sell when she was the most recent keynote speaker at CPAC (http://www.humanevents.com/2012/01/05/sarah-palin-announced-as-cpac-2012-keynote-speaker/).  I might as well claim that the Clintons are "irrelevant."

If Palin had used that phrase to refer to herself, I imagine this controversy would not exist.

You have your definitions right there. I think all this shuck and jive talk around here is just that, shuck and jive. Just a smoke screen sham in order to play the race card. Using shuck and jive is only racist if you are white, conservative, or republican. Just another hypocritical double standard from the black community.

So according to your racist morality line ...  if she had said "I'm a ni**er that loves to eat watermelon" then it would be OK because she was referring to herself?

It's either racist or it isn't.

If Obama himself was caught saying the n-word, fainting couches would sell out all over the republic.  So let's try to avoid racial slurs as a point of comparison.

If Sarah Palin had made some excuse about being sleepy today because she had too much fried chicken last night, it's perfectly innocuous.  If she had said that [any black person] was sleepy because they "probably ate too much fried chicken last night," that's not even close to the same thing.

The idea that a statement "is racist or it isn't" is just absurd.  Do you seriously think that Jeff Foxworthy, Chris Rock, and George Lopez could all trade comedy routines with no backlash?  It makes a huge difference when you belong to the group that you are potentially offending.  This is why you frequently see black commentators appear on Fox News when it's time to do a story on the problems of black society (e.g. here (http://video.foxnews.com/v/1801751276001/controversy-over-nikes-lebron-x-sneaker/)).

Seems to me that the majority of the time it's the same group that is offended. I'm glad we have the 1st amendment to counter this horseshit "feel sorry for me/you hurt my feelings" attitude that this country has let continue for too long.

You know that the First Amendment applies exclusively to the government attempting to censor you, right?

It has literally nothing to do with private persons and/or corporations criticizing other private persons based on what they say.

Yep

People like Chris Rock, Eddie Murphy, and Richard Pryor make fun of everyone and are very funny doing it. Actually many comedians do. Comedy is the one place making fun of stereotypes is aloud. Some comedians have "schtick" that they do a type of comedy like Jeff Foxworthy about rednecks or George Lopez and Mexicans but there are many, many comedians that make fun of both and get away with it.

When did Chris Rock join the "cracker ass cracker" club? (I loved the routine by the way as to not confuse). What makes a statement racist is the intent behind it, not who says it.

Name one.   

For the record, the "cracker ass cracker" routine is Chris Rock talking about how racist old black men are (link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJZiygvTZ9o)), which kind of proves my point.  Do you seriously believe Jeff Foxworthy could say the words "the most racist people you'll ever meet are old black men" and keep a job?  Ask Michael Richards.

I know the routine, I said I enjoyed it. I didn't mean to insinuate that was Rock speaking or his opinion. It was a play on old black men being racist because of the racism they faced. It still can be considered controversial by those looking to make waves.

But only by those looking to make waves.

I can tell Jewish jokes and nobody is going to get offended unless they are looking to make waves.  If I do Jeff Foxworthy's bit I will offend half the people who live below the Mason Dixie line. If Jeff Foxworthy starts cracking on Jews or Blacks his career as a comedian is over. 

Yes, and Rock can comment on the racism of (old) black people without an uproar because he is a member of that group, which was my whole point.  A great deal of Rock's comedy is about his own community/culture, just like Lopez and Foxworthy.  That's why it works.

Do you recall why the old black men are racsists though? He addresses the racsim of the old white men as being the cause.

Yes, he addressed the racism of old white men at a time when that racism was coded into law.  The "cracker ass cracker" comment (which Rock delivered from the perspective of the old black man) was in response to that history of institutionalized racism.

I'm not sure I get your point, here.

That's ridiculous, either something is racist or it isn't. If we are supposedly all equal, everyone should have the same set of rules. The suggestion that someone of one race can do something or have something that someone of another race can't is racist in itself. That implies superiority, not equality. Blacks seem to want to have things that whites don't or can't have. NAACP, BET, Miss Black America, Black History Month, etc etc etc, are all examples of things that blacks have. Imagine the black outrage and cries of racism if white people were to have the same organizations. The same goes for the N word or any derivative of it. If you don't like other people saying it, then don't use it. Protest anyone who says it regardless of race. Otherwise you are part of the problem....

Nice rant, not sure what it has to do with me or my post at all. Do you deny that intent is what makes something racist? That is my point.

Lisa Lampenelli, Greg Giraldo, Sarah Silverman, Gilbert Gotfriend, Daniel Tosh, Ricky Gervais and on and on. Many comedians talk about everyone and use colorful language to do it.

Using a word is either racist or not. If one group of people uses it, the world should use it.

Which one of those comedians bases a large portion of their comedy routine on analyzing a race other than their own?

You're being incredibly naive if you think George Lopez could base his career on "You Might Be A Redneck If..." jokes.  That's not to say that all comedians don't venture into occasional jokes involving various races... but Lopez and Rock and Foxworthy don't make occasional jokes about their own race.  They pay their bills with them.

You are completely incorrect in that. A word is simply a word, the intent behind the word is the issue. If I say "Chris Rock uses the word n*****" I am not being racist. If I called Chris Rock "a low down, dirty ni**er", that is racist. I would be using the same word but have completely different uses of that word.

Lisa Lampenelli is known for her digs against blacks and her relationships with them. All you need to do is watch any of the Comedy Central roasts for that. She's hilarious. I know Daniel Tosh will rag on any race and he doesn't care and he gets his own show. I don't know about the others and what their comedy routine is like.

Phishfan, there isn't much point to discussing issues of race with badger6.  He has a... unique perspective.

There's a difference between targeting all races (which is something that Carlin and Pryor did frequently) and basing the majority of your material on one race, as Foxworthy and Lopez do.  Lampanelli insults everyone (and to be fair, bigotry is practically her schtick), but she doesn't specifically base her comedy on the black community; she may go into great detail on her dating experiences with black men, but (IMO) there is no such thing as racism or discrimination when it comes to dating.  You likes what you likes.

Well going by that standard. A black person that calls another black person a n*****/nigga, is a racist.



If you call a hypocritical double standard from the black community a unique perspective then so be it. Or conversely, if you're insinuating that I'm a racist, that is hardly a unique perspective in this country. Blacks are racist just as much as whites, if not more. 

Again you are completely off base. I said the intent is what makes it racist forget usage by who or when and completely focus on intent. In this example again the intent is different. Now, people may not like their use of the word but it was not used in a racisit fashion.

How do you know what someones intent is ? I have seen many black people call each other by the N word and their intent wasn't good. As in, about to beat the shit out of each other. So I guess only in that case, it's racist, huh ? All you are doing is justifying racism by excluding other races from doing what blacks do with no consequences. Same as in my above examples of black organizations. It's OK if blacks do it, but no one else can. Such a sense of entitlement !!!

^^^ Different scenario that I envisioned and you portrayed by using the "a" variation of the word. Are you asking if I think a black person could be racist against other blacks? By pure definition I think not. Now does that mean that they can still use a word in a derogatory manner against someone else, yes they can. Does it also mean they may have a resentment for others of their race, yes they can but that would fall under something else by definition I assume.

The "a" variation is the same word. Not only do they sound the same, but being an idiot and removing "er" and replacing with an "a" doesn't change the word, ie playa, holla, gangsta. Those words still mean basically the same thing, just as n*****/nigga means the same thing. That's just another way to justify the blatant racism. 

So basically, what you are saying is that it's OK for a black person to use racist terms and not OK for white people to use them ?

In 2012, is it OK if only white people vote and not black people. In 2012, is it OK for only white people to sit in the front of the bus and blacks have to sit in the rear ?

It's the same thing. You are saying that someone of one race can do something that someone of another race can't based on their color. Anyone who agrees with that is pushing superiority instead of equality and is a racist by definition.

Where do you keep pulling this from? Your reading comprehension may be the worst I have ever seen. I keep saying the intent behind the word is the damage, not the word itself or who says it. I can't say it any fucking plainer. Can a white person say it harmfully, yes. Can a blck person say it harmfully, yes. Can either say it without harmful intent, yes. Hopefully you get it now.

I disagree with your logic. How do you determine someones intent of a word. It's all up to interpretation, and different peoples interpretations will be vary greatly.

It is pretty simple. Don't be obtuse on purpose. Even a child can recognize when someone is saying something in a hateful manner.

It is very simple. Don't complain about what someone does if you do it yourself. And if you do complain, complain about everyone that does it, not just people that are a different color than you are. If you do you are a racist and a hypocrite......

In this thread:

Racism isn't dead until white people can call black people n*ggers again.

It's actually quite the opposite. You can't bitch about racism unless what's wrong for one person is wrong for another.

Phish is right...it is about intent of using a word. And you are right too badger, it's because people have different interpretations of intent or use of certain words is why we have such broad disagreements of it.

This thread is full of LOL's.

I am loathe to even address such an obvious point, but since I guess more than the usual expected person might need this pointed out:

Do you think that when black people say the n-word to each other, it carries the same intent as when white people said it to them 100 years ago?

The entire purpose of language is to use words to communicate ideas.  The belief that intent doesn't matter and that it's somehow a specific configuration of letters that we should find offensive is among the dumbest things I've ever heard; by this absurd logic, calling a person a n***** is bad, but calling them a n*gg*r is just fine, because you didn't technically use that word!

Intent is all that matters.

BULLFUCKINGSHIT

The "N" word is just another in the long line of hypocritical double standards that colored people feel entitled to. The BLACK community and entitlement organizations would go ape shit crazy in the street like a bunch of savages if whites suddenly formed the same organizations for themselves. See that's the problem, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either everyone can say certain words or no one does. Blacks always demonize people of other color before they ever say anything about their own. That's why 95% support Obama even if they don't agree with anything he says or his policies. If a black person is murdered by a white person, there's a riot. In contrast, blacks can kill each other everyday and you don't hear about it from the black community in anywhere near the same context. It's ironic that some here call me a racist, when in fact they are the real racists and support racial double standards. What a joke !!!

The "colored people" are an unruly bunch, are they not?

The only "ape shit savages" I've seen on the streets in the past few years have been the tea parties.

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Lest we forget poor Travon....

How was preschool today ?

I don't think you have any idea what a riot is if you think that is going ape shit in the streets.

It was great, brah! How was your 'Bigoted Trolling 101' class?

I meant "outrage", err "justice", ummm "lynch mob"

Seriously?

Well you taught me a lot about black racism, bigoted trolls, black hypocrisy, and you people in general. Unfortunately, I'm not into black propaganda, so I will leave it with you.

No, I made it all up.....

Ok,Enough now....