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So far, through 8 games, Brandon Marshall has 59 receptions for 797 yards and 7 TDs; he is currently 4th in receptions, 2nd in yards, and T-3rd in TDs.  While the Dolphins' leading receiver, Brian Hartline, has improved his performance over last year, he has only 1 TD on the year (one of the biggest criticisms that was made of Marshall).

MIA received 2 third-round picks for him.  The first of those was traded for two other picks, which were used on Michael Egnew (who has yet to participate in a single play) and B.J. Cunningham (who did not make the 53-man roster).

Given what Marshall has accomplished with the... streaky... Jay Cutler, one can only wonder how Tannehill might be performing with a true #1 to throw to.  The argument can be made for trading Marshall for salary cap relief, but so far, the compensation that the Dolphins received for him has been utterly without value.  (And given CHI's current record, it appears likely that the 3rd round pick received next year will be significantly later in the round than the pick that MIA received this year.)

Ireland still has a chance to get a miracle pick in the third next year (e.g. Jason Taylor), but barring that, this trade appears to be a colossal blunder on the part of the Dolphins.  Ireland clearly undervalued Marshall and should have been able to get more than he did.

the dude is a psycho, got stabbed by his wife, and punched a woman in the face.  good riddance.

The man wasn't traded for his ability (even with all the drops). So looking at the stat sheet to judge the trade is a waste of time. The trade had NOTHING to do with stats or ability.

Nobody liked the man in Miami. Many Teammates didn't like him. The new coaches didn't want to put up with his B.S and baggage he brings to a locker-room, and management was sick of the constant drama off the field. They didn't want him around anymore..period!

Just be happy they got anything in return for him and didn't just cut him and get nothing!

It doesn't matter what happened off the field.  What matters is what he is doing on the field.  The Dolphins could really use those numbers right about now.  They might be sitting at 7-1 instead of 4-4.

The list of people who think we should have kept him is pretty small for a reason. He bropught more negativity to the team than he produced for us.

For whatever reason, every time we get someone from UCF they are more headache then they are worth. I sure wish we could have landed Assante Samuel instead of Marshall and Culpepper as one day I really hope to see a local UCF guy go on to do well in Miami. 

Here it is again, Spider's bi-monthly cry about Marshall. We get it, you didn't like the trade. Has that much really happened to warrant you bringing it up again?

The leash is tight on receivers. If we'd drop Chad J. over a minor altercation w/ his wife, I can understand why we'd send Marshall packing. The coaching crew appears to be low key. They probably cant' stand drama. So they rid themselves of it, to the extent they can do so...

I know it seems counter intuitive that Miami would be better without Johnson and Marshall, but I believe that's the case.  In Miami they were both distractions.  It can never be proven, but I think the current team psyche, as well as the bond is based on having guys who are team players. 

Yeah and the Dolphins got hosed on Wes Welker too. 

Point is that Marshall wouldn't have anywhere NEAR those numbers if he was still wearing aqua.  Marshall was a bad fit for this team and crippled the team in a year when they needed cap money.  I still support the trade.

No one disputes Marshall's ability, but the drops haven't gone away.  Its convenient that this thread gets posted on the day he went for 122 and 3 scores.

I think the main issue with dumping Marshall is not how he's done versus how Fins' Receivers have performed since. The main issue is the VALUE Miami got, and what that says about the team's Front Office. The guy was problems. You want to dump him, we can all see the sense in that. But the team didn't even TRY to replace Marshall's talent or production. I don't care what happens off the field. On the field Miami suddenly had a big hole to fill and what did they do? Legedu Naanae, Chad Oh-So-Sinkhole and now Jabar Gaffney.

Don't tell me that was intelligent.

I still remember Jeff Ireland on the phone in "Hard Knocks" talking about the Miami Receivers: "We've got a bunch of fours, fives and sixes. We need some ones, two and threes..."

How dumb is this guy?

And while we're on the subject, let's talk about Vontae Davis. Correct me if I am wrong (and I am not) but watching Miami's secondary against Andrew Luck I think we could've used a little more talent a Cornerback.

While it is rare that I agree with anything Mike writes.  On this I agree with him 100%.

Marshall wanted to be in Miami about as much as Randy Moss wanted to be in Oakland.  Granted with Moss a factor in the improvement was a much improved QB, it wasn't the only factor or the largest.  Both Moss and Marshall put forth effort when they want to and are useless when they don't want to. 

I agree with Brian the fins were stupid with Wes Welker.  His improvement had zero to do with effort and 100% with having a better QB, but if he had remained on the Fins he would have been a huge asset for the Fins and not greatly improved a division rival.    I, of course, am thrilled with the WW trade to NE. 

122 yards and 3 TDs yesterday. IMO, that warrants bringing it up. -EK

These threads are such a waste of time. Football is a team sport, it's not golf or tennis, what a guy does on one team is not necessarily what he would do on another team.  I swear some of you guys probably take a dump then spend 10 minutes staring at the toilet bowl analyzing it.

+1 on Phishes post...

word....

Fire me I lied,I said I wouldn't say anything else about Marshall,How Soon we forget what Brandon did to get out of Denver because he wasn't happy.
(The video of his video of his practice tantram,is gone now)

The fact is Spider that Marshall is a better fit with Jay Cutler than he would have been with Ryan Tannehill. If Marshall would have been here instead of Miami, I doubt his stats would look significantly better than Hartline's do at the moment. Maybe he would have 2 TD's. :)

We don't have to wonder how Marshall would perform here.  We had him on the field and he didn't get things done.  He's a headcase.  But, on top of this, as I've said many times before, he isn't "clutch".  His big games come when it doesn't matter.  He had 3 TDs in a game that they won by 30 points.  He's a garbage time stats player.  When you need a big catch, he isn't there for you.

You sure didn't seem to think so when you were busy praising Ireland for the Davis trade (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?topic=20821.msg272634#msg272634) less than a week ago.

Now, to address several different points made:

- everyone seems to be happy to crow about how smart the Davis trade was, so fair is fair
- Welker was an RFA, not a player with multiple years left on his just-recently-signed contract
- Welker did not cost Miami 2 second-round picks to acquire
- Welker was not even the leading receiver on the team when he was allowed to leave
- it was a minor miracle that Miami was able to get anything for Welker at all, given the poison pill offer from NE that he signed
- the halfway point of the season is not "waiting to post until after Marshall has a good game"
- dismissing Marshall's 3 TDs because they came in a blowout is ridiculous; without his 3 TDs, it's not a blowout

So far, Marshall has backed up his talk about what he can do when he has a good QB.  The question, then, is: is Ryan Tannehill a good QB?

There is no answer to that question that does not reflect poorly on either a) Ireland's ability to evaluate Marshall as a player, b) Ireland's ability to evaluate Tannehill as a player, or c) Ireland's plan for the previous offseason.

Furthermore, to blame Marshall for "not getting things done in Miami" with QBs that the Dolphins front office found unacceptable is not reasonable.  Ireland was turning over rocks and bringing in anyone he could find just to NOT give the job to Matt Moore, and Chad Henne can't win a job from Blaine Gabbert.  Given what Marshall has done when someone not wearing aqua and orange is throwing to him, how can you not say that the problem with Miami's passing game was not at the QB position?

And finally, I would just like to point out that my problem is not necessarily that Miami got rid of Marshall.  My problem is that 1) Ireland overpaid to bring him in and 2) Ireland got less than what he should have when he sent him away.  If MIA got Marshall from DEN for 2 thirds and traded him to CHI for 2 seconds, I would have nothing but praise for Ireland.  As it is, the entire Marshall situation was an unmitigated disaster.

And it all falls directly on Ireland's shoulders.

None of us have clue,If Marshall said to (or through his agent) Irelend I want out of Miami.As a fan it's a luxury of bitching about the past...

Even if Marshall did want a trade, so what?

Mike Wallace and Wes Welker wanted new contracts.  What did that get them from their front offices?

I believe in credit where credit is due.  Ireland fleeced IND with Davis, so he gets credit there.  He also gets credit for accurately recognizing that he did not need to trade up to get Tannehill.  But the Marshall trade (on both ends) was a complete failure.

Ireland got what he got because of 2 years of terrible production.  The Bears bought low on a high-reward guy and its working out for them.  Congrats.  But looking at numbers and production (and salary) and removing the name, They got what he was worth.  An above-average receiver who caught 6 TD's.  The past 2 seasons, he DID NOT play to his potential.  You can't set your price tag based on potential, when the numbers speak otherwise. 

Marshall was the perfect trade target.

I can't speak for the lack of replacement.  That is something that still needs to be addressed.  I think they expected more out of Naanee and Johnson.  Unfortunately, neither worked out.

So far. Still have a ways to go to determine who ultimately does better. I still have a lot of hope in Egnew. He's being asked to convert from a WR (essentially) to a TE and he has Fasano and Clay in front of him. Without being more a special teams player, there's no room on the active roster for him, but unless Clay picks it up, I would expect that he'll get a chance before the end of the year.

Making the Pro Bowl while finishing in the top 10 in receptions and yards is "terrible production"?  Can we hope to see that same kind of terrible production from anyone else on the Dolphins this year?

good for you Lah-Dee Fuckin-Dah!

Are you serious?is this rhetorical? I can't stop laughing to type....You're a fan on a message board bitching in complete hindsight about Value? That you have no clue what anyone was willing to give,think none of that matters,it doesn't fit your logic...Spider you're the guy that shows up on Pawn stars,and Says I think this is a worth $5000,they Say I'll $500..Value is only what someone is willing to give you for something..

Keep going,Blah,Blah..Blah....Go ahead...back to your spilled milk,panties in a wad...

I agree with this COMPLETELY, especially since there were Miami fans popping off about how "great" Hartline was when he was leading the league in receiving yards (after 4 games), and starting threads about his numbers vs. Marshall's. If that kind of lunacy is acceptable, then pointing out that Brandon was the best thing at WR Miami has had in years and is doing exactly what he said he'd do with a good QB should be fair game and acceptable as well. -EK

To you!!!!!

It did to Philbin, Ireland and Ross. Which is why he is gone. They didn't like him as a person! End of debate.  To argue this and come up with wild specualation is pointless. They didn't like him and didn't want him around. So they got rid of him.

Lil B, if posting meaningless opinions to a message board is such a colossal waste of time, why do you have over 11,000 posts here?

The only thing more useless than my "bitching" about Ireland's blunders is your whining about my complaints.  If you don't like the idea of fans commenting on the moves of a sports team, I humbly submit that you're in the wrong place.

Because I like some people here,and appreciate their opinion,but yet when I come here to see peoples opinions on the current season,the game played yesterday...I find the same guy whining about spilled milk from 6 months ago,and the past that we can't do anything about now.Maybe if people keep pointing out,your whining about spilled milk,you might stop... Apparently it's wishful thinking...

I'm responding to see your lip twitch like Sheldons...and hoping maybe you keep typing,Blah,Blah Blah get finger to fall off..

I have no problems anyone having an opinion,and enjoy hearing alot of them,the problem is everyone here is held to "the Spiderdan" standard

If only we eliminated the rule requiring you to read and post to every thread, maybe your problem would be solved.

Was I somehow unclear when I titled this thread, "Review of Marshall trade at halfway point"?  Did you click on the thread title perhaps expecting to see some news on Rishard Marshall, or Marshall Faulk, or the Marshall Plan?

You say you want to read opinions on the current season?  I gave stats from the current season.
You don't want to hear any whining about stuff that happened in the past and can't be undone now?  Then why did you make all of these (http://www.thedolphinsmakemecry.com/forums/index.php?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wxfCJ8dXNlcnNwZWN8J3xMaWwgQnwifGJyZHwnfDN8InxzaG93X2NvbXBsZXRlfCd8MXwifHN1YmplY3Rfb25seXwnfDF8Inxzb3J0X2RpcnwnfGRlc2N8Inxzb3J0fCd8SURfTVNHfCJ8c2VhcmNofCd8c2hhbWUgb2YgdGhlIGdhbWU=) posts to Shame Of The Game threads?

Do you have some secret plans for a time machine that the rest of us don't know about, or are you just being a plain-old garden-variety hypocrite?

Spider continues arguing just to argue...fuck the fingers I'm going for the head exploding...

But of course, what you are doing is not-at-all arguing for the sake of argument.  Keep that hypocrisy train going.

I am certainly open to correction by Dave, but as I understand it, the purpose of this message board is almost exclusively to discuss past, present, and future actions of the Miami Dolphins football club.  I think the Brandon Marshall trade was a poor move by the front office, and have provided my rationale for such a position.  If you think that my commentary evaluating the results of said trade is out-of-bounds, I suggest you flag my thread for moderation.

Otherwise, kindly STFU and take your useless, hypocritical whining elsewhere.

Are we going to post pictures we find on the internet now? Goodie,Goodie.... ;D

Like Wah,Someone on the internet doesn't like me?and the dead horse?

Come on Spider,You're notorious for not letting anyone else have there opinion....You've driven TONS of threads 5-6 pages long into the ground till no one can have an opnion? and you've stooped to attacks?

Maybe I for got this..
Your opinion is wrong because I'm on my Floating Soapbox..
You can't have that opinion...It doesn't fit my World of Spider Dan...

Come on you're better than this...What's wrong?

(modified to add "pictures" to my sentence...)

Please translate your post into English so that I may attempt to address whatever point you are trying to make.  Thanks.

and SpiderDan makes me lose all hope again....He's never big enough to walk away from a thread,he always has to have the last word,everyone else always has to be the bigger person and ignore him...or the thread gets locked....

Ahh Damn it I was expecting the pictures now....

Modified to add....
I'm sorry to the other posters on the board that have to read this,and the Mods,that Spider has no doubt Spamed their email boxes reporting these posts too...

Read my mind. Thanks! Apples and oranges. Get over it already. I wanted them to sign Eric Winston for the RT position in the off season, but I am not moaning about it and comparing Eric to Martin. 

Funny how the people complaining about getting the last word always seem to need to have it themselves.

Do you have anything to add to the actual topic at hand?  Do you wish to defend the Marshall trade or offer any insight whatsoever as to whether or not it was a good move?  If not, can we please skip ahead to the part of this conversation where you declare that You're Done Arguing With Me and You Won't Be Reading Whatever I Say Next?  Please take your ball and go home already, so we can go back to discussing, you know, the Marshall trade.

You mean the thread that is posted in hindsight that makes ALL look like idiots,because 2 people can't get over the fact that Marshall is playing with another team....

Go right ahead...Blah,Blah,Blah away

Really?  I have to lock a thread because MODERATORS can't get along?

Lead by example, people.