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My game ball goes to Hartline who had 8 receptions for 107 yards.

Some nice highlights though:
- Clay's 32 yard TD reception
- Bush's 18 yard TD run
- Vernon's blocked punt
- Thigpen's nice return that was called back for a phantom hold


It was nice to see Clay get in on the action but I'm still not sold on Fassano. Why is it so hard to get him involved?

It is tough to give a game ball during a loss. I'm going to say Tannehill.

That missed touch pass on the last drive... ouch. Can't miss that.

I'm gonna say Tannehill based on the fact that it was a marquee matchup for him and he was obviously playing at less than 100% and played well enough to win the game. Maybe if we don't get that phantom false start call on Pouncey and instead it's an encroachment call, we still end up winning that game or at the very least get the game into overtime.

Yes I still want to see him win a game with a come from behind drive, but at this point it only seems like a matter of time before we see that. Barring game 1 you could argue that RT has been the most consistent player on the team other than possibly Fields.

Tough to assign a game ball, but I'm going to give mine to HArtline.  He had a nice game. 

Honorable Mention to Reggie Bush for leaving 3 Colts' defenders STILL looking for their jockstraps on that TD run.

I have a theory that Tannehill may have started to tire in the 2nd half of that game. He looked really sharp in the first half, but started to look more inconsistent as the game went on. Remember that he was limited in practice and probably not in the same physical shape that he normally is and his knee and thigh were not at 100%. I think his injuries may have contributed more to the outcome of that game then we think.

First half stats: 10-14-158-1
Second half stats: 12-24-132

Or he's not a particularly great second half player...as I've said all along. He missed 2 passes badly in the closing minutes (one to Thomas and one to Bess I believe). Those were "gimme" throws. Anyone happen to have Moore's stats through 8 games last year? I'd be curious to see how they compare to the savior RT1  ::)  The W-L is the same at 4-4, unless you want to throw out the game that Tannehill only played a few possessions in and Moore shined this year. -EK

Jets Super-Fan Fireman EK is back. Notice how he doesn't post after the Fins beat the Cincy, Rams and Jets. But pops up to spew his Dolphins/Tannehill hate next time the Fins lose. amazing! Typical Troll behavior though.

Actually Mike I just get sick of hearing from you. That's it. It's the ONLY reason I don't post as much. I seriously wonder how many other people do the same? I noticed you ran a few new members off, and couldn't help yourself to take some digs at me in the Jets thread. Your assinine and juvenile behavior makes it absolutely unfun to post anything here. Nice job on just "looking the other way," though. -EK

Nice job making up a lie and totally pulling something out of your ass!!  :D

ha ha ha!   You are too much Fireman EK!

EKnight, it is interesting how you can only sum up the will to tolerate MikeO right after a Miami loss.

Tannehill missed two key throws on the final drive, and made it clear that he's definitely not there yet.  That being said, I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by comparing Moore (a 5-year veteran who has lost the starting job for multiple teams) to Tannehill (a rookie starter).  Moore has hit his ceiling.

Exactly! He is a Jets Fan TROLL! Who only shows up after a loss. Never to be seen after a win.

EK has been exposed!

I don't have time to look them up, but one of them was a guy you accused of actually being me with a new handle. That ring a bell? I don't have to make stuff up, you show your ass enough on your own.

Spider I understand what you're saying and I just disagree. Players are drafted to improve the team at their position. I do not subscribe to "he's a rookie." So far, Tannehill has not been an upgrade over Moore. At the end of the year if your team is no better with new players, there's not a compensation award because you had more rookies than the next guy.

This thread has nothing to do with tolerating or not tolerating Mike. I pointed out something related to another poster, and as usual, Mike enters with an attack on me. That's his MO. I didn't bring him up here, he did that; I simply responded to him. What do his attacks on me add to the board in terms of football related discussions? What benefit does it bring? -EK

^^^still funny how you ONLY show up after a Dolphins loss now and NEVER after a win

Sorry its funny!

I would have thought last weeks ass beating would have been enough to keep even the biggest jet fan away for at least 6 weeks.  ;D

Moore was 138-220-1607-8-5 thru his first 8 games last year.
Tannehill is 142-241-1762-5-6 thru his first 8 games this year.

But one fact you're omitting is that these were not Moore's first 8 games in the NFL. He was NOT a rookie last year, he was a 4 year veteran with 22 games to his credit already. If Tannehill's stats don't improve after 4 years in the league, he will no longer be considered the savior either. In fact if you throw out just the very first game of Tannehill's career, his stats are comparable to Moore's. If we were to compare apples to apples in Moore's first 8 games his rookie year his stats were 63-111-730-3-5 well below that of Tannehill's numbers this year.

Furthermore you're wrong about their records. Moore was 3-5 in his first 8 games with Miami last year. He was 4-4 in his first 8 starts, but Miami lost the first game that Moore played extensively against SD 16-26. At the time that Moore entered the game the score was 0-0 so in effect it was his game to win or lose.

Well, yes, if the Dolphins drafted Tannehill with the idea that he would never get any better than he is in his rookie year, he has certainly failed them.

And they are colossal idiots for expecting that to begin with.

EK is way off base here.  Tannehill went toe to toe with Luck.  The fins didn't lose because of a couple of missed throws.  They lost because the defense was abysmal!!!!!   Miami led most of the game from offensive scores.   the defense could not stop any 3rd down plays.  Tannehill did his job.   when was the last time two rookie's attempted that many throws in a game without a pick???   both qb's did their part.  it was the defense that was horrible.


my game ball   TANNEHILL.

ha ha ha ha

for completion:

Matt Moore's first 8 NFL starts (with Carolina, 2007-2009):
128 for 205 for 1554 yds, 11 td's, 3 INT's

Alas, again he was not a rookie for most of those starts, in fact he was a 2 year veteran by then.  His first 8 games AS A ROOKIE he was 63-111-730-3-5 well below that of Tannehill's numbers this year.

Let's not forget that Moore had a chance to beat out Tannehill in training camp and FAILED!

For five of those 8 games, he did not start as a rookie.  What's the difference if he's a rookie or not, they're his first 8 starts in the league.   You going to count the game he came in in garbage time and went 0 for 1 with a pick?  Or the one where they lost 37-6 and he went 3 for 10 for 21 yards.

You can't count those games on his record when he entered a game in garbage time when it was out of hand.  Let's count starts, like you were before.

If you're going to use that, then you're wrong about their records, too. The game Tannehill got injured in he had 5 attempts for 18 yards. Moore played "extensively" (your word) in that game, and the win should be to his credit, not Tannehill's. In fact- Moore played more minutes against the Jets (came in at 10:09 of the first) than he did against SD (came in at 5:51 of the first), so it would appear that Tannehill also only has three wins to his credit by your logic.

Again, I refuse to grade on a curve. The idea that a player is a rookie, so he gets cut slack doesn't fly with me. If he was good enough to beat out Moore in training camp and be expected to be the starter, he should be good enough to have an expectation that he actually puts up better numbers and more wins than Moore. If he can't or doesn't, then there's no point in noting that he beat Moore out. -EK

Does every thread have to degenerate into a Tannehill sucks/doesn't thread? It's pathetic.

Only reason why EK comes to this message board. To trash Tannehill.

If Garrard doesn't get hurt Moore might not even be on Miami right now. Let's also point that out.

Its possible that "other factors" were involved in naming Tannehill the starter, including (but not limited to) getting him some snaps in a "no expectations" season to prepare him for next year.  Of course if Moore and Tannehill are about equal, or I'd say even if they are close but Moore is slightly better, Tannehill will get the nod because (a) you spent a #8 overall pick on him and (b) he's the future of your franchise and needs to be evaluated.

Its not always as cut and dry as "he's starting so he must be better."  I still think Matt Moore offers more poise and leadership for the team, but understand the investment the team has made in Tannehill and they need to "break him in" for future success.

Agree 100%. I can't believe that Miami is at 4-4 with Tannehill playing well and people are still upset he is starting and attacking him.

When you list the problems on this Miami team right now, Tannehill is near the bottom of the list. Tannehill isn't an issue. The QB play has been good this year.

I completely understand your point but fundamentally disagree with what can only be flawed logic...

I think what you're saying is that because Tannehill vs Moore stat wise is fairly equal, right now Tannehill is not an improvement over Moore, but the counter to that is that your argument essentially says that experience (or gaining of it) is not beneficial in a quaterback which is clearly a ridiculous statment.

For me to even consider taking your argument seriously, you need to state clearly that you believe that experience is not a valid trait to judge a QB on and that gaining experience does not make a QB better otherwise for Tannehill and Moore to be fairly equal stat wise with Tannehill having less experience shows that Tannehill can develop into a better QB than Moore if he gains experience.

If you can't do that then your own argument falls over. Go on, tell me that experience is not a useful trait in a QB.

Or in his second year in the league either. 5 of those 8 starts were in his 3rd year in the league. That's 2 full years of being taught how to run the offense, working with his receivers on timing and adjustments, knowing the playbook, studying defenses, game planning etc etc etc. 2 FREAKING YEARS!!!

Have you NEVER played competitive sports? I don't mean pick up games in the back yard with your buddies, I'm talking about a sport where you practice all week to try to get everyone to know their assignments on each and every play no matter what the other team throws at you. When you get the highest levels in sports, that doesn't happen in a week or a month, it happens over years. Why do you think it is that Gaffney couldn't get on the field for 3 weeks? It's because playing WR for 1 team is not the same as playing WR for another. The plays are different, the timing is different, your assignments are different and that's just for the WR position. The QB position is 10 times HARDER than that because a WR pretty much just has to know what the WR's and the QB are gonna do, the QB has to know what him, the WR's, the TE, the RB's and line are going to do. They have to make the decisions when they come to the line of scrimmage what adjustments need to be made and make sure that everyone gets set properly to run the play and then make the decisions during the play on where to throw the ball based on what the defense gives him, etc.

It's a HUGE, GIGANTIC, FREAKING DIFFERENCE!!! Have you not paid ANY attention to what people who KNOW football are saying? They have raved about how Tannehill is doing things that you don't expect a ROOKIE to do? These are not just some random people off the street saying this. These are guys who have PLAYED in the NFL or COACHED at the NFL level. THEY know the difference and they are impressed by what he's done. So I'm sorry that you don't understand the difference and are not impressed, but I am and so is just about ANYONE who knows anything about what it takes to play QB in the NFL.

You and EK are in DENIAL so bad it's not even entertaining anymore, it's just sad.

Fine by me. Tannehill was 3-4 in his first 7 games for Miami then and Moore was 3-4 in his first 7 games for Miami as well. Doesn't change the fact that Moore was a 4 year veteran with 22 games under his belt and Tannehill was playing in his first 7 games in the NFL. The fact that they were pretty much the same in those games tells you everything you need to know. Tannehill as a ROOKIE is is every bit as good as Moore AFTER 4 FREAKING YEARS IN THE NFL. The fact that you actually think that makes for a good comparison is hilarious.

Of course you do. Everybody ELSE who knows ANYTHING about football disagrees with you. You're like the ostrich with his head in the sand saying "I don't understand why everyone else can't see this!"

Not true. There have been other members on this very board who have said the same thing. If more than one person on a pro-Phins board says it, how is it so unlikely that other people who have no stake in Dolphins football would agree? -EK

Not sure what is so hard about posting games balls but apparently it's difficult. Locked.