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I know it's not popular to call anyone but white men racists but there is a huge glaring statistic that shows blacks are more racist when it came to voting in this election. There isn't another race of people even close.

Black churches openly told membership who to vote for across the country and organized "Souls to the Polls".  I don't know a single church that was white and it certainly wasn't because I wasn't looking. I specifically was because Dave had said something about churches doing it and I had never seen it before.

Supposedly racism is one of the evils of the world to be stamped out but only when every person can be held to the same standards will we even be headed in the right direction.


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Yeah, I don't know if I told this story on here, but it's kinda interesting.

I went to see Obama speak at a rally near my home town this year.  The crowd was extremely diverse.  Among them were black families.  Some of them were decked out, Head to Toe, in Obama clothing.  Their shirts had murals on them of the Obama family.  Some had MLK on them with quotes from the civil rights movement.

Now, my parents are very Democratic.  However, there's no way my Mom is ever wearing a shirt with the Clinton family + Chelsea on it.  It's just not our relationship to the Clintons (or the Obamas).  As much as we like both men as politicians, it doesn't cross over into historical "hero worship". 

I realized then (which I already knew but hadn't really seen) that Obama is an icon of American black culture.  He is our Lincoln or Washington.  He represents way more than just a current president, but it the culmination of a lifelong fight for some of those older black men and women. 

So, I don't know if you call that racist, but I certainly do understand it, from a historical importance perspective.

Also, one more thing:

The GOP caused this to be a bigger problem for them.

There is a certain percentage of black culture that's going to vote for the black guy regardless, of course.  But I think that all of the birth certificate, Kenya, Muslim bullshit that the right spewed ultimately hurt them.  I think that middle of the road blacks, in addition to blacks who probably wouldn't vote at all, were personally offended and fired up.  Here, they've offered up a perfect citizen with a great track record, a clean history -- a family man, a church-goer, a Harvard educated lawyer.  ...he happens to be black.  And for the first time in history, the President's citizenship is questioned.  He's accused of cheating his way through school.  They ask for his birth certificate and his school transcripts.  They doubt his religious faith.  So, I think black culture, as a whole, took offense and showed up en masse to say "Fuck you."

CF,

Do you think that if this election were Hillary Clinton against Herman Cain, Cain would carry 93% of the black vote?

Black voters vote for the more liberal candidate.  They have for years and they will likely continue to for the foreseeable future, at least until conservatives cease doing things like appearing at the NAACP to challenge them so you can brag about it to your base later (http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/OTUS/romney-says-he-expected-to-be-booed-at-naacp/story?id=16753886).

And yes, many black voters do take it as a somewhat personal affront that this Harvard-educated law graduate, who is one of the most educationally-qualified Presidents ever, is actually a complete moron who cannot string together two sentences without a teleprompter, even after he handed McCain his ass in 3 debates and took on the entire House Republican caucus (and embarrassed them too).  When you add in the years and years of the "Kenyan alien" talk, it is not surprising that black voters would recoil from the GOP.

Do you think if Obama was white 100% white that he would have carried 93% of the black vote ?

Hi badger6!  Welcome back!  I missed your analysis on the decisive win for Romney that you predicted.

To answer your question: probably damned close (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/05/bill-clinton-got-historically.php)....

1984 Walter Mondale 90% Ronald Reagan 9%
1988 Michael Dukakis 90% George H.W. Bush 10%
1992 Bill Clinton 83% George H.W. Bush 10%
1996 Bill Clinton 84% Bob Dole 12%
2000 Al Gore 90% George W. Bush 9%

If you're asking me if, say, Joe Biden could outperform Al Gore by 3% with black voters, when the current version of the GOP is using the NAACP as a foil to motivate their base: in a word, yes.

Gotta disagree with you on that one. Racism (or any other form of discriminatory bias) is a much bigger problem when it is perpetrated by the majority. Any reduction in bias (e.g. racism), among ANY group (majority or otherwise) is "heading in the right direction". Since race is such an insanely charged issue these days, let's take an example from a different issue: sexual preference (yeah, not charged at all ;) ). Clearly, discrimination of heterosexuals among homosexuals is a significantly smaller problem, for society as a whole, that the reverse.

(It should go without saying that any single individual being discriminating against can suffer just as much regardless the size of the perpetrating group).

I don't even understand the topic. Are you inferring that blacks are racist because they voted overwhelmingly for Obama despite the fact that blacks traditionally vote Dem?

Apparently, when 90% of blacks vote for Mondale, Dukakis, and Gore, but then 93% vote for Obama, it proves that we have a double standard for racism in this country.

Yeah. I'm too hungover for this shit.

Math doesn't matter to the conservative echo chamber, facts don't either.

I wonder what the numbers were for Mormans and Christians in general.  That was cursiously missing.

Welcome back ? I never left or went anywhere. I posted in the election thread when I got home this afternoon. I do work you know. I read the first few posts in that thread yesterday and then went to dinner. I got home and I guess someone forgot to pay the hosting bill or something because the site was down. So no, I went nowhere, this place went somewhere.

Actually when you get up to 85-90% each percentage point gets harder and harder to get those points. And you have to remember that it was 95% 4 years ago IIRC. So in a word yes. Yes, Obama's color was the reason the black vote was so high.

BTW, on a side note. At work today it was like a circus. I am one of the few white people where I work and I don't talk politics at work. Anyhow, around 75% of the black employees were talking shit all day today, loudly directed at the white employees. Saying shit like, "Yea, yea, that bitch Romney thinks he can beat a brother", "We got that revenge, "You think the whites will ever win again ?". Then there was the idiot sporadically yelling and screaming all day "OBAMA, my president and my nigga". Even had the black guy who walked up to the white guy and an pointed in his face laughing. The white guy was like WTF ? Then the black guy said, "who you vote for?" and just walked away. No, none of that has anything at all to do with race does it. All of them talking about how they went to vote and waited in line, like they were special. None of these idiots ever realizing that this state votes always go republican and that their puny little vote didn't even matter. They actually thought that they were helping Obama get elected when the electorals were already gone.

Kerry got 88%. Obama got 95% in 2008 and then 96% last night.  Obama went up for blacks but down for all other groups.  Nope ...  nothing different about that at all. I'm an arse to even suggest it.

Maybe he could push for unlimited presidential terms until he hits an 100% of the black vote. It would still be not racially motivated and justified by his supporters. But alas, we'll be bankrupt and starve long before then. Mission accomplished...........

It's not racist to vote for a black guy if you are black anymore than it's racist to vote for a white guy if you are white. It's only racist if you are ONLY voting for the black guy BECAUSE he's black and NO OTHER REASON.

Was there a few people that voted for Obama because he's black and no other reason? Probably. Did 90% of the blacks vote for Obama because he's black? Absolutely not. That's ridiculous to even suggest it.

80% of the black people that I know that voted for Obama, don't know much of anything about Obama or his policies. And the other 20% is very limited knowledge. Judging from interviews and video clips of black Obama supporters there are many that don't know much about him or his policies. What are they voting for if not his color or his entitlements ?

There are plenty of people (both black and white and both D and R) who vote party line.  Plenty of blacks are party line democrats.   

96% worth. That's a damn big party.

CF, the graph you just posted says 93% last night.

Are you really running with the story that the 5% difference between 88% for Kerry and 93% for Obama last night is evidence of widespread racism among blacks?  Weak stuff, man.

Black voters in the U.S. have voted for liberal candidates for as long as they have been permitted to vote.  This is not news.

Based on your illustrious posting history on this site, I would dispute several things here...

1) That you know any black people that aren't on TV.
2) That you spent ANY time talking to black people about their political beliefs or knowledge of Obama's platform.
3) That you care enough about the political views of local black people to conduct any sort of polling that would allow you to say "80% this" and "20% that."

In short, I'll just call B.S. on that entire comment...

Actually, the Republicans got the African American vote from Grant thru Hoover.  It wasn't until the New Deal & FDR that they stopped automatically voting for the party of the Lincoln.   

Hoodie, I said they have voted for liberal candidates, not Democratic candidates, specifically to preempt the objection you just made.

I don't think anyone would consider Warren G. Harding more liberal than James M. Cox and certainly not Eugene V. Debs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warren_G._Harding#Anti-lynching_movement_and_immigration

Notably in an age of severe racial intolerance during the 1920s, President Harding did not hold any racial animosity, according to historian Carl S. Anthony. In a speech on October 26, 1921, given in segregated Birmingham, Alabama Harding advocated civil rights for African Americans; the first President to openly advocate black political, educational, and economic equality during the 20th century. Harding went further and viewed the race problem as a national and international issue and desired that the sectionalism of the Solid South and black membership of the Republican party be broken up.

Occasionally, there are exceptions to the rule.  Harding's radically liberal positions on race relations (contrasted with his otherwise conservative views) may have had some effect.

Are you assuming it's any different for White folks voting for Romney? Heck you're talking about 1/2 the registered voters in the country that just vote Republican or Democrat regardless of who the candidate is.

Well then you would be 100% wrong. FAIL

Except for the fact that Romney didn't get 96% of the white vote.

No he didn't. He just managed to turn off 93% of an electorate.  The racist part of the argument is that all 93% voted for Obama "because he's black." That's to assume that blacks aren't smart enough to evaluate the candidates and make an informed decision. What was the argument before Obama?  They only voted for the white guy because he's white? Neither Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton garnered 93% of the black vote when they ran. Neither Herman Cain or Alan Keyed got 93% of the black vote.  Clarence Thomas doesn't have a 93% job approval rating among blacks. But somehow Obama gets 93% of the black vote and "it's only cuz he's black". C'mon son.

I notice you only focus on Kerry, but ignore the 84 and 88 election where white Democrat presidential candidates got 90% of the black vote.
Do I think that Obama garnered an extra 5% because he was black? Probably. But that does not mean the whole vote was about race.
The GOP with its shift even more to the right turned off a lot of different groups, and even pushed moderates away from their party.
Mitt lost for far more reasons than Obama getting 96% of one minority group.

I'm not defending Mitt losing. There was only a 2% difference so regardless of who lost we could point out a numerous reasons why. 

Let me try and point it out this way. Regardless of anything else if over 90% of white America voted for a white man who was running against as black man and the black vote was split 60/40 ...  do you think there would be some fall out?

Only from the supporters of the guy that lost.

What's the percentage of white voters that voted/would vote for anyone other than Obama/or another candidate just because they were black???

Whether you call it racism or prejudice there are many Americans (especially older people raised in a different generation) that would not vote for a black person. 

Having the 1st black Presidnet in our country's history is important, and I wouldn't blame 100% of the black population for voting for him if they wanted to.

Since you put it that way:

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Looks to me like almost 80% of evangelical Christians voted for Romney, while other Christian groups were much more evenly split.  Since we are apparently discarding the years of data from Presidential elections with two white candidates, I am forced to conclude that evangelical Christians are racist.

Clearly Hispanic Catholics were only voting for Obama because he's black.  >:D

Because he's black AND Muslim...why else would Hispanic Christians vote for Obama?

Can we get some data on how many people with fake birth certificates voted for Obama?

This poll is misinformed. Most black churches are considered evangelistic. In fact I would be willing to bet on average, at least in the south, that more black churches hold the Bible as litteral than white mainstream churches. Mainstream churches have a tendency to be affected by culture. Yes I have been to black churches and have even had a whole congregation lay hands on me and pray.

CF, are we poking holes in polling methodology, or addressing the substance of the arguments?

If I go find numbers that show that more Mormons voted for Romney (v. Obama) than for Dole (v. Clinton), would that prove that Mormons are racist?

Evangelicals vote Republican.
Mormons vote Republican.
Blacks vote Democratic.

You can replace Romney with Cain and Obama with Hillary and all of these things will still be true.

I'm willing to wager that more people voted for Romney because Obama is black than voted for Obama for the same reason.

I would agree with that. But I would say that when adjusted for population rates between blacks and whites that the percentage is higher for blacks. So your statement may be a bit misleading. Same for food stamps, welfare, murders, abortions, etc, etc. Many numbers between whites and blacks may be equal or whites may even lead in a some categories. But if you adjust for the fact that white make up 70% of the population and blacks make up 15% the numbers are not even close

No Brian, whites are able to thoroughly examine a candidate and make an informed decision based on facts unlike blacks. Blacks just blindly vote for the darkest  person on the ballot.

Some people on this board spoke to the 3 black people they know and they said they only vote for Obama because of his skin color. Never mind the fact that the Republican candidate, Mitt Romney, is heavily involved in a religion that did not even recognize an entire race until they were forced to in 1979. Forget about all the racist bullshit that came out since the election of Obama including, but not limited to the first lady being compared to monkeys, graphics with watermelons all over the white house lawn, and my favorite the Obama one where he is dressed up like a witch doctor.

We don't care about reproductive rights, gay marriage, or any other liberal causes. We just want the darkest man possible in office.

You win, CF. Only white voters are able to weigh the pluses and minuses of a candidate and decide what's good for them. Maybe we can start making black votes only count as a half of a vote.

That will solve the problem.

Lol ... I don't get the anger.

I grew up, work, and live in a town that has a 30% black demographic. I don't have black friends, I have life long best friends that are black. Drug dealers, pastors, construction workers, businessmen, and even politicians. I have black family members on different sides. My wife was the one white girl on our high school track team who also has life long best friends of color.

As well ...  my conservative, white pastor is also Obama's spiritual adviser.  I am one of the least racist people you will ever meet. I don't get offended but it does make me laugh when I am accused of being the evil white man.  You might as well be calling me a car. They are both about as truthful.

It's offensive to have not just you, but the Republicans reduce the black vote down to color. It implies that we are not capable of making an informed decision. If you were truly speaking to all of the blacks you know you'd understand that we are capable of making a decision based on what we believe and want just as you are.

And I'm willing to bet a LOT of those black churches will vote Republican.  There are a few black churches in Panama City.  The one that I'm familiar with, the pastor is a staunch Republican. 

Buddhagirl, it's very simple:

There's no way that 90%+ of black voters could be rejecting GOP politics/policy, because it's totally not racist and why do you guys keep accusing us of racism?  Therefore, the real answer must be that the black voters are racist.  Well, and the Hispanic voters.  And the Asian voters.

i.e. "it's not me, it's you"

Personally, I say: have at it, conservatives.  Maybe you lost because your message was diluted too much.  Go ahead and double-down on your "food stamp president" and "welfare queens" and "amnesty-seeking illegals" and "abortionist sluts" and "legitimate rape" talk.  And as you continue to lose every demographic but old white men, you can keep on blaming it on racism and sexism and People Who Want Stuff.  But it's certainly not your fault.

Offensive really, ha, ha, ha, you gonna cry now ? Democrats are always offended about something. Be offended all you want, that is your weakness and problem, who cares. Then again, why the hell do you care what someone else says or thinks ? Seems to me people get conveniently offended when they know they are wrong. Just like the idiots who say "whatever" when they don't have lost an argument and don't have an answer or reply.

I've actually met CF. I know him as a real, life person. Not just some asshole behind a computer screen. Thus the offense, brah.

You? I give zero fucks about.

ALL OF THIS!!!

Again, being offended in the 1st place is your problem and your weakness. Has nothing to do with who or why. Maybe it's emotional or hormonal.


Cool, thank you. May I ask why you feel the need to say something like that ? Maybe to offend me ? Maybe to hurt me ? Maybe just the truth ? In any event, I am neither hurt or offended. You don't have it in you. Anyhow, have a great day, love you baby  :o

No matter. I'll be getting some handouts starting next week to make me feel better.

Seriously, on an off note though. I have noticed that many of the people that I know personally that are democrat or lean left, are on medication for Depression, bipolar, ADD, ect. I wonder if that is just a coincidence or there is really something to it

I VERY MUCH doubt that. The least racist people don't even see "Black" and "White", they see "person". You don't see that.

I would be interested to know who you voted for with the different positions of the candidates.

Yes because everyone you know tells you each and every medication they are on and exactly how they vote. They probably need mood stabalizers and the like to deal with you.

You said "everyone", not me. You said "each and every medication", not me. You said "exactly how they vote", not me. The fact is that people I know discuss religion and politics, as do most people. Also, most people on those types of medication usually aren't shy about letting people know, especially people you know personally. Anyhow, instead of insinuating that I'm lying, just call me a lair. 


You think ? Someone owes me some money.....