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This woman posted some nasty stuff about President Obama on her Facebook account.  Called him the N word and said that maybe he'll be assassinated.  As a result, she's lost her Facebook account, lost her job, and may face criminal charges from the Secret Service.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/11/09/denise-helms-california-woman-hopes-obama-is-assassinated_n_2104184.html?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlws-main-bb%7Cdl3%7Csec1_lnk2%26pLid%3D233231

This is another story from the What The Fuck files.  It's bad enough that she would make comments like that but posting them on a social networking site??  How stupid can you be?

Not sure how they could charge her with anything, she didn't actually threaten anyone. This is nothing but media stirring the pot.

Actually, they could take that as a threat and charge her accordingly.  Which is why you don't post stupid shit like that on a social media site.

Well, let me rephrase that. They can charge her. They are the government, they do stupid shit everyday and get away with it. Calling someone a name and stating what you hope will happen is very far away from actually threatning someone. Although I think she is an idiot, I see no actual crime.

Truly, losing her Facebook account is the worst thing ever.

It is a crime to threaten the President of the United States. (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/871)  When you say that you hope the President is assassinated, you can expect a visit from the Secret Service.

I doubt her follow-up interview helped, when she said (paraphrased), "I mean, I'm not going to kill him, but if someone else did, I wouldn't be sad."

Oh, and you will all be relieved to hear that although she used a racial slur to refer to Obama, she's Not At All Racist because she Totally Has Lots of Ethnic Friends.

Hoping for someone to die is not a threat. Not being sad if someone dies is not a threat. Someone calling me a cracker and telling me that they hope I die isn't going to make me feel threatened because it is not a threat. An insult maybe, but not a threat. What the secret service does has no bearing on the basic meaning of words in the English language. What is wrong with you people ?

What, you're not going to reach for the low-hanging fruit and insist that laws criminalizing threats to the President are an unconstitutional violation of the First Amendment?

I'm disappointed.

I think what Badger is trying to say is that saying, "I hope you die" is a lot different than saying, "I'm going to kill you"

There was no threat, how many times does that need to be explained. She actually said in an interview that she wasn't going to kill him, just that she wouldn't be sad if someone did. Additionally, no one said anything about the first amendment. Being a racist isn't a crime. Hoping someone dies isn't a crime. Not being sad if someone gets murdered is not a crime. Spin it anyway you lefties usually do it. People are allowed to call the president names and wish bad upon him, none of that is criminal at this point in time. Quit dick riding Obama's meat stick so much, it makes you look silly.

As part of my lifelong "Try to understand others, no matter how different they may be" program, I feel compelled to ask... When you typed the quoted sentence above, did you pause at all, or was there any internal reaction...maybe an eye-twitch or something, that might indicate that on some subconscious level, you at least realize how wrong those words are?

And what I'm saying is that when you say "Maybe somebody will kill you" to someone whom it is illegal to threaten, you're going to hear from law enforcement.  Note that "hearing from" law enforcement is quite a bit different than what would happen if you said "I'm going to kill the President," which would result in you being arrested and charged with a crime.

It's illegal to threaten anyone.   ::)

How am I "different" for pointing out facts. Wait, are you saying that being racist is indeed illegal ? If so please provide me some factual insight because I wasn't aware of that and I guess that I could be wrong.

Like Landshark said, it's illegal to threaten anyone. Furthermore, if you haven't broken the law there is no need to be "hearing from" law enforcement at all. You are under no obligation to discuss anything with them. Much to the dismay of the Obama minions, this is not Russia or China yet.

If the Secret Service should decide to talk to her, nothing will happen. They investigate all kinds of comments made every year. This is nothing new.

My take.

The Secret Service will and should investigate.  And absent any additional finding of evidence no charges will be filed. 


Absolutely incorrect.  The government does not need proof that a suspect committed a crime to investigate that person, just a reasonable suspicion that criminal activity is afoot.  In order to arrest or search they need probable cause. If we required the police to know someone committed a crime before contacting them their would be almost no crimes solved.

Here there is a reasonable suspicion that this individual is a threat to the president.  No hard proof that she has articulated an illegal threat, but more than enough to warrant investigating (e.g. talking to neighbors, coworkers, other online postings, asking to speak with her) but probably not enough to arrest her or search her home.


This part you got correct, she can exercise her 5th amendment right to remain silent.


Can you point to a single piece of legislation proposed by the Obama administration or executive order issued that would weaken people's rights to remain silent or other civil liberties in a criminal investigation or weaken ones right to freedom of speech?   I am not referring to keeping questionable policies that existed when he entered office (such as the Patriot Act) but new laws that further eroded civil liberties in regard to either freedom of speech or a defendant's rights during a criminal investigation.  If not that comment is utterly stupid. 

Yea, spend thousands of dollars investigating a little fat girl who stated her opinion because she is such a threat. That's laughable at best.


You are absolutely correct with your statement. However, I said that if you haven't broken any laws that there is no need to be "hearing from" law enforcement because you are under no obligation to cooperate or talk to them. Here is how that conversation should go when they knock on her door.

SS Agent : Knock Knock Knock
Little Fat girl: (opens door) Hello
SS Agent: We're looking for Miss little Fat Girl
Little Fat girl: That's me
SS Agent: We understand that you have made some statements about President Obama and we would like to talk to you about it.
Little Fat Girl: Am I under arrest or do you have a warrant ?
SS Agent: No, but I think that..........
Little Fat Girl: (interrupts agent) Go fuck your mother, good bye !!! (slams door in agents face)



Sure, waste thousands of dollars on a person that is of no threat. Are you kidding me ? In that case I hope everyone that feels like Little Fat Girl posts exactly the same thing all over their facebook, twitter, myspace, ect ect, multiple times a day. Gotta be at least like 20 million that think exactly like her in this country. Let them investigate and chase them all down while I sit back, watch, and laugh at the stupidity of the government. You see, people that are an actual threat aren't going to advertise it. They are just going to go out and do it.


I wasn't even talking about Obama or legislation. I was talking about Obama's brainwashed minions that feel that they have to protect everything he does. Protect him from anything negative. Protect him from the little fat girl that wished he was dead and called him names. The same people that can talk about all of the oppositions shortcomings while the whole time ignoring all of Obama's failures and misdeeds.

But while were at it, the patriot act. Democrats blasted the patriot act like republicans blast big government. The fact is that the patriot act severely impacts civil liberties. And just recently a judge upheld the ability to indefinitely detain American citizens without charge or due process or reason. Not to mention the ability to assassinate American citizens abroad with drone strikes resulting in the deaths of countless innocent civilians. I guess none of that is a violation of civil liberties.

Here's his record on civil liberties from your own libtard website. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/obamas-track-record-liberties_b_2119168.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/john-w-whitehead/obamas-track-record-liberties_b_2119168.html)

You leftys blasted Bush for almost everything he did. And in many cases rightfully so. But Obama for the most part is just as bad and has continued right where Bush left off. Obama is nothing but the black Bush 2.0 rebooted with Obamacare. That hypocrisy and blindness is exactly what makes a person a brainwashed minion of the messiah Obama.

I don't think you'll find many people on the left that are happy with Obama's record on civil liberties.  You're kinda building a straw man.  The left has been Obama's biggest critic in that regard.

I'm not that far left (somewhat of a centrist) when it comes to those kinds of issues.  I was this way with Bush, as well.

I agree that Obama has not done more to erode the Bill Of Rights than the passing of the Patriot Act did. It is hard to listen to any conservative cry about loss of rights, when it was a conservative president and his administration that brought forth and pushed the single greatest injury to the Bill of Rights since Habeus Corpus was suspended by Lincoln, and American citizens were wrongfully interred into camps during WWII.

One of my colleagues who teaches American Government has this book as required reading for his class.  It's an excellent documentary of how our Constitutional Rights stack up in this day and age.

http://www.amazon.com/The-War-Our-Freedoms-Liberties/dp/1586482106

Kind of funny that you mention that. I would counter that if you continue abusive policies of the previous administration that you are just as guilty. Even more so if you were against it the whole time and yet still continue those policies. Lincoln, one of the worst presidents this country ever had, and his suspension of Habeus Corpus which allowed indefinite detention of "disloyal persons" without trial looks eerily reminiscent of  Obama's signing of the NDAA. Come to think of it, Little Fat Girl could just disappear forever under the false label of being a terrorist. After all, the crooked ass government is the one who determines who they suspect as being a terrorist. No wonder all these state petitions going around about secession these days. Obama and this government is out of control and only getting worse by the day.....

That's a pretty big statement. I don't think anyone would agree with that statement.

I don't either.  Lincoln is one of the greatest presidents this country ever had.  We all know about his heroic acts in the Civil War and the ending of slavery in America.  However, if you're interested to know about "land grant" universities, or universities that were formed out of federal dollars granting land to states to build the schools on for the purpose of studing agriculture, engineering, science, or military science, then you have President Lincoln to thank for that. 

Here, I fixed it for you


No not the worst president, but in the top 10. Maybe even the top 5. And yes, there are many that would and do agree with that statement.

I thought the KKK had memberships declining.

WTF are you talking about ? This thread has nothing to do with the KKK. I think you are in the wrong thread or on the wrong site.

Are you serious?  Pretty clear the only people who think Lincoln was a bad president are those people who oppose the ending of slavery.

It is now obvious beyond all doubt that you are not only a racist. 

According to this wikipedia gathering of presidential rankings from about 20 different sources, Lincoln is no lower than 3 and leads the most with 1.

Everywhere I've seen he's ranked pretty high as one of the best presidents.

I didn't care for Lincoln myself. Did you see that big hat he wore? The guy definitely suffered from big man syndrome!!

Besides that what kind of person is referred to as "Honest Abe"? A used car salesman name if I have ever seen one!  :D

You bunch of god damn race baiting liberal jackoffs. Who said anything about slavery or the KKK ? Everything goes to race with you people. The civil war wasn't about slavery anyhow. It was a minor component of the war. There's a lot more to it than what you think you learned in 5th grade history. The cartoonish version of American history portraying Lincoln as the “Great Emancipator” is all wishful thinking and propaganda.

He did suspend habeas corpus. He did raise taxes and tariffs in the South that led to the secession of the Confederate States and he let over 600k people die so he could preserve the Union or more correctly and importantly the tax base. Are you under some false impression that Lincoln gave half a shit about negros ? If so, you are a fool !!!


It is also now obvious beyond all doubt that you are the best argument for abortion ever since the day your mother squirted your nasty ass on bathroom floor of your local Waffle House.

Here's the problem. Those that believe that Lincoln was an unconstutional tyrant. They tend to believe that the immoral practice of slavery was a constutuonally protected right. Nobody can argue that point. But, those same people tend to believe that slavery would've "naturally" ended on its own over time. Because after all England outlawed slavery without a civil war. These same people look at the "black codes" before the 14th & 15th amendments were justified under the banner of "states rights". Kind of like the Jim Crow laws we no longer have. These are the same people who believe that since none of these laws exist anymore & that we elected a black president twice, that racism doesn't exist anymore. So that if you are debating Lincoln's unconstitutional practices, fine. Just understand what immoral practice you are defending. Because one of the most fascinating things about Lincoln is that he overlooked his personal beliefs on black people to do what was right. As opposed to the "states rights" crowd that uses the law to further their agenda. Without Lincoln ( and many others like him), I'm not having this conversation with any of you.

So again, hide behind Lincoln's unconstitutional practices if you want to...

"Why are you guys calling me a racist just because I think Lincoln was one of the worst presidents in the history of the republic?"

Although I don't condone or endorse slavery. At the time, it wasn't illegal and was a common practice in this country. And just for the record, Lincoln wanted it to be a constitutionally protected right. In his first Inaugural Speech, on March 4, 1861, President Abraham Lincoln approved a Constitutional Amendment that would guarantee permanent slavery in the United States.


But, those same people tend to believe that slavery would've "naturally" ended on its own over time. Because after all England outlawed slavery without a civil war. These same people look at the "black codes" before the 14th & 15th amendments were justified under the banner of "states rights". Kind of like the Jim Crow laws we no longer have. These are the same people who believe that since none of these laws exist anymore & that we elected a black president twice, that racism doesn't exist anymore. So that if you are debating Lincoln's unconstitutional practices, fine. Just understand what immoral practice you are defending. Because one of the most fascinating things about Lincoln is that he overlooked his personal beliefs on black people to do what was right. As opposed to the "states rights" crowd that uses the law to further their agenda. Without Lincoln ( and many others like him), I'm not having this conversation with any of you.

So again, hide behind Lincoln's unconstitutional practices if you want to...[/quote]

Who's hiding behind anything ? Lincoln did more harm than good under the guise of freeing the slaves. He didn't give a shit if the slaves were free or not. I know it's a feel good story for some people, but it's simply false that he cared about black people or slavery. Money and power is what it was all about.

Yeah, because one has to do with the other. You bunch of clowns turn the race card on every conversation. Who brought up or mentioned race, slavery, or the KKK ? Not me. I was discussing government violations on civil liberties. If I'm a racist because Lincoln didn't care about colored people then you are a racist because the black panthers hate white people.

You're right, Lincoln's presidency had nothing to do with race.  Silly liberals injecting race where it has no relevance.

IMO, four presidents were truly great.

1.  George Washington

2.  Thomas Jefferson

3.  Abraham Lincoln.

4.  Franklin Delano Roosevelt


This is nasty, classless, and totally uncalled for.  If you said this to another student in my class, I would remove you immediately. 

Like usual spider goes into sarcastic mode when he's wrong. Classic, ha ha ha......

Ok, playtime is over now....