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Is it me, or has Tannehill's play declined big time in the past couple weeks?  I wonder what the problem is?  Has he hit a rookie wall?  Or have teams finally figured him and the offense out now that they have some game films to work with?

He was never that good.

You guys are funny. It's called growing pains and lots of people gave plenty of warning from the beginning. Joe Rose was talking about this this morning. Teams have adjusted to him and now it's time for him to grow and adjust. Of course, not having time to throw or anyone to throw to does not speed up this process. It's hard for anyone to send out two receivers and expect any kind of success.

Don't know if it's the plays and patterns or just quality of personnel but Miami receivers just can't separate. Even announcers were saying that last night, that Bess and Hartline are basically underneath receivers. You see other teams' receivers running through Miami secondary with nobody within 5 yards of them. Without a true #1 WR opposing Defenses don't have to double anybody. Many plays last night Buffalo D had 9-10 guys within 5 yards of the line of scrimmage and Miami's still throwing a 3 yard pass.

I still keep thinking about Jeff Ireland on the phone on Hard Knocks talking about Fins receivers -- "we've got a bunch of 4s, 5s and 6s. We need some 1s, 2s and 3s." You think other teams don't know that? And still can't believe how stupid the guy must be to actually say that to another human being, let alone in front of TV cameras. It's HIS job to get 1s, 2s and 3s.

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-EK

Funny thing is, the Dolphins had a number one receiver.  They traded him for a sandwich and a bag of pretzels.  And they did nothing to address the position after that trade.

^^ the horse is dead, put the stick down. 

Rookie QB.  Wideouts aren't that great.  Time will tell.

After every week, come back and read this.  Give the kid time to see if he's any good.

^ Word,Except I'm going to say till the off season,see if he makes adjustments...I think if anything he's loosing confidence,and trying to be too perfect.He's not just going out there to play,now he's thinking about it...

Even in the wins, it's not like he was dominating the field.

I stick by my original statement: we won't know what we really have with Tannehill until the end of next season.

Good lord you guys really don't watch much NFL football outside of Miami. It's his 9th game in the NFL. His best RB is still injured and not the same player from before his knee injury and his wide-outs aren't great!

He isn't regressing the team around him is. Jake Long is regressing. Reggie Bush is regressing. Fasano hasn't done shit in weeks. Hartline and Bess have zero help at WR and nobody behind them at all on the depth chart.

You guys want him to be Peyton or Brady in his 9th game. It's unrealistic what some of you people expect!!! This is the reasoning behind playing him NOW and not having him sit. Let him learn on the job. Let him get the growing pains out of the way now!!

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He definitely lacked confidence in his eyes the first half. Second half he began to stay in the pocket longer but blocking was crap again last night.

Is it too early to ask Santa for a new GM?

I've been asking Santa for a new GM ever since the Dez Bryant fiasco.

I'm in the severe minority,while I'm not a fan of Ireland,that ship has sailed for me.I think at this point it would cause more trouble,more strife,rebuilding.You can't keep changing things,firing everyone,changing everything every couple of years.He should have been fired prior to this season,when Sparano was let go...Other wise it's a feeding the mob move,but but causing more problems...

I feel (at this point and time,could feel different this offseason) Ireland was willing to play Parcells flunky,then continue to bow to the idotic Sparano 1966 GB style offense of Lombardi,in the 2000's.Then hire a modern Green bay,develop from with in coach,that focuses on offense,and Today's NFL.In a fucked up way,shows he's learning,changing,and willing to eat his past mistakes....

I don't like the idea of handing all the control to a Bill Cowher guy,that ship has passed also..

(modified to fix,I quoted the wrong person)

Err sorry for hi jacking the thread....

he never was really that good.

you're wr aren't all that good.

AND with all QBs there is a period of time in which defenses don't know much about them (a DC can't spend too much time looking at college film of opposing offensive players as he is too busy looking at NFL film of all the rest of the players) so their tendencies are unknown.  Most of the time the coaches are quicker at improving the defense against a young QB than the QB is at improving his craft.  (Hence the Sophomore slump) then in time the good QBs start to improve their craft to a greater degree than the defense improve at stopping them.  

You need to give him some time before you declare him regressing.  Just as the earlier statements claiming him to be the next Marino were premature.  

When teams are able to stack 8 men+ in the box, you're already in trouble. Doesn't matter who the QB is. You couple that with a GM who trades away talent for rubble, you can't expect miracles. Its too early to call Tannehill a bust. Let's be honest with what he has around him. If you're going to suppress receiving corps talent, then you better be able to rush.  Not, "I hope we can." That's where we are. Other teams are daring them to pass deep on them, and they can't.  The running game worked when opposing defenses gave them room to run. No room, no run. Period. No run = no balance. No deep, intermediate threat= 8 men in the box.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000095864/article/ryan-tannehill-miami-dolphins-enduring-normal-growing-pains?campaign=Twitter_lombardi

Lombardi breaks it down about Tannehill. Some of you might learn a few things by reading this!!

Lombardi says basically the same thing I did.

I just looked over your recent posting and just now realized how negative you are. You are not a fan of RT, don't like Ireland, traded Marshall for a bag of pretzels??? Really.

Seriously, is there anything you "do like" about the Fins?

PS. The media made a big deal out of the Dez thing. Bryant was not upset about it, why should you be? By the way, it seems to have worked out pretty good for the Fins. Dallas, not so much. 

I'm taking a wait and see approach with Tanny.  His last two games have not been good showings and I wanted to start a discussion to see who thinks what.

I don't like Ireland and never have.  And the Dez Bryant fiasco was not that the Dolphins didn't pick him, but that Ireland actually made those comments.  Those comments were extremely unprofessional and uncalled for.  And I'm on Spider's side in the Marshall trade as he was the Dolphins best receiver and nothing was done to address his departure.

Miami has no offense except R.Bush, thats it, I dunno why they got rid off Marshall..so defenses can figure them out easily

..to get rid of Marshall and not replacing those 1000+ yards is stupid, thats why Miami is not winning now

They passed on moving up to get a real QB (not a converted WR, whose stats and winning % this far are as bad or worse than who replaced in the lineup). They passed on a chance to move up and draft a receiver who just went off for 200+ yards with Henne throwing it to him. They dumped millions into 2 linebackers who have not been worth nearly what their paid, rather than shore up the worst secondary in the history of the team. There's a ton of reasons they suck.

Re. Tannehill, if he has another outing like the past two, with the way Moore played in relief, they should bench the kid and let him hold a clipboard. -EK

Very easy to say but more difficult to do, which makes you sound rather irrational. First of all, I can only assume you are suggesting Miami needed to trade up to either #1 or #2 since that is where they would need to have been to draft another QB. That is quite a jump and difficult to do. I'll just leave it at that. Second, while I was a fan of Blackmon before the draft, did you even consider looking into his stats for the rest of the season before you touted this single game as a rallying point for improving this team?

He's been hurt for part of the season. Re. The draft, Miami had more to work with in terms of moving up than Washington did. Instead, they spent weeks chasing a QB who NEVER wanted to come to Miami in the first place in Manning. -EK

Agreed, and this applies to most of the posters on this forum.  Its sad, but its what has become of Dolphins' fans.

RE: Dez Bryant: it was a logical question given the context, and you need to mind your business.  Were you in the meeting?  No.  You have no knowledge of what was said in that room, and thus you are using it as an excuse to "hate" Ireland.

RE: Brandon Marshall: to say that it went unaddressed is unfair.  They tried to address it.  They worked out dozens of WR's.  The two they decided to go with didn't work out.  The team is trying to get younger, and for good reason.  Marshall was unhappy here, not playing hard, and it showed on the field.  He was the best receiver, but his effort was lack-luster and not worth 16 million dollars.  His salary was crippling the team with so many other needs.

RE: Jeff Ireland: You people will hate him forever, no matter what.  He has improved drastically the past 2 seasons.  Every GM has moves that don't work out, and moves that do.  Yet, everyone on here focuses on the ones that don't, just to promote their "fire Jeff Ireland" agenda.  What will it take for you to step back, look at what is happening objectively, and see the positive things.  Try to take his side for once.  Hell, try to SUPPORT the team for once, instead of constantly bitching non-stop.

And the winner of the weekly "I pulled something from my ass to try and make a point" award goes to...

Blackmon has been listed on one injury report (the first game) and he participated in full practice that week. Not much of an injury excuse if you ask me. http://www.nfl.com/injuries?team=JAC

As for having more fire power than Washington for moving up, I guess you could say that is a bit subjective given the Dolphins have some extra picks next year, but as for this past draft where Washington actually made their move from, they had a higher pick than Miami so their ammunition was better.

How dare you shoot down "fan's" rants with logic!!   ;)

They spent 1 evening (a few hours) with Peyton....not weeks! He told them no the next day, they moved on

ha ha ha ha ha ha, history of the team? Give me a break! You haven't followed this team/franchise very long obviously

Yeah with the playoffs out of reach lets play the guy who is a career backup and will be gone after the next 6 games and leaving for another team and lets bench the guy who will be here and our starter the next few years and NOT give him valuable playing time and experience  ::)  ::)

Oh my god... Did you see Andrew Luck play yesterday? He threw a couple pick 6's yesterday, and threw several questionable balls that should have been picked. He needs to be holding a clipboard on the sideline. Boooooy has he regressed!

  He also had a couple balls tipped at the line of scrimmage, and we all know that is an impossible obstacle to overcome as a quarterback. I can't believe that they drafted luck instead of going for the best available center to replace Jeff Saturday. His regression is unstoppable!! Bench him immediately!! ;D

What's the common denominator? Both QB's were playing from behind and their running game has been non-existant. Put rookie QB's in a position to HAVE to pass and the defense has the advantage. It's not really all that surprising. What's surprising to me at least from a Dolphin perspective is that Miami has been so pathetic running the ball. I don't know if it's Bush or if it's the offensive line, probably a little of both, but it's been going downhill for a long time and Bush doesn't scare anyone now. That allows the safeties to stay back which takes any chance that Hartline and Bess had of getting over the top of the defense away and what you have left is a recipe for disaster. All Miami has to do is start running the ball a little bit again and stop giving up long returns and long drives every time you turn around and Tannehill will be fine. Continue to play like they have been and Tannehill will continue to struggle. But it's so much easier to simply blame 1 person rather than look at the big picture and see that the team as whole has been to blame, not a single player. I WISH it was just a Tannehill problem, the truth is it goes WAY deeper than that.

^^^ Wow.... I'm almost embarrassed for you that I have to explain the sarcasm in my post.

   The common denominator is that both quarterbacks are rookies and are going to make mistakes and have bad games. I've been frustrated with Tannehill the last couple games as well. But you have to know going in that there are going to be growing pains. Remember at the first game of the season when Tannehill had a few balls tipped at the line of scrimmag? Well a member of this site (I'm sure everyone knows who I'm talking about) said that was going to be an ongoing problem and it could not be cured. Guess what... He's only had a few tipped since then in the following 9 games. I see every QB in the league have balls batted down.

  I've heard Trent Dilfer, Ron Jaworski, Matt Hasselback, and Mike Ditka all put huge praise on Tannehill and his ability to be a great QB in this league. Geez... Peter King has wrote full articles on Tannehill. I trust these guys opinions more than what random fans are puking out. Give him another good receiver, and tell the coaching staff to start using Bush out of the back field. Then Tannehill will be fine....

What makes you think I didn't get that you were being sarcastic? You pointed out sarcastically that 1 bad game doesn't mean you are regressing. I pointed out non sarcastically why that is. It's not JUST because they are rookies, there's more to it than that. A LOT more than that. I wasn't disagreeing with you, I was taking your point and adding my own thoughts. Sorry if I didn't make that clear.

You guys keep believing this mess if you want. Tannehill sucks as a QB. He was not great in college and he's showing how he can't close games now. All season- ALL season- I've been saying he gets too many balls tipped and he absolutely snatches defeat from the jaws of victory in the second half of games. He's done that all year. He is not an upgrade over what we had and his numbers and ability to lose games validates this. So keep believing whatever you want; in three years when Miami is drafting a QB AGAIN, remember that I said this since the preseason. -EK

Thanks for the tip EK, but I don't think anyone really needs you to explain it to us. You are going to come here every week that Tannehill plays poorly and tell us how bad he really is and every week that he plays well we won't hear from you. It's nice that you have this burning desire to be "Right" about Tannehill, but unfortunately your behavior is more like a petulant child that didn't get his way when Miami drafted him rather than any real critique on his play. Did you even watch the game this week because you've already admitted that you don't always watch the games. You have also admitted that you're not a hard core fan of the team, you're only a casual fan, so I'm not really sure I understand your motivation. Why is it so important for you to point out his flaws to us anyway? Why do you care how he plays? You've already said it doesn't really matter to you if the Dolphins win or lose, so why the hate for Tannehill anyway? What do you get out of it? Do you just enjoy coming here to stir things up or do you need for us to say "you're right"? What is it that you are wanting and why?

This is not an attack on you so please don't make it into one, it's an honest question. Why this fixation on Tannehill?

It's not a fixation so much as pointing out reality. Ever since the guy was drafted, people here have acted like he's the savior of the franchise. He isn't. But that doesn't stop the weekly threads about this writer or that that media source riding his jock. When Marshall and Henne were here, the same 2 or 3 people had negative things to say about them week in and week out, irrespective of their game play. No one said anything to them, though, so why the backlash on me for presenting a POV other than "Tannehill is the future." Or is it just sour grapes that he continues to show the flaws I pointed out from day one with no improvement?

Re. Blackmon not playing injured, he sprained an ankle in early September and was continuously a topic of Jacksonville sports media regarding his health and performance throughout Sept/Oct. I have no idea if he was or was not on the official report, but his ankle injury was well documented. -EK

Not everyone. In fact most I would say have been at most cautiously optimistic about him.

So you believe it falls on you to set them straight? Even the threads that were started were not all "Tannehill is a god", more "Tannehill is further along then we thought he would be". I don't think that's going overboard do you? I don't see why you have to insist that he sucks when he has a bad game. Couldn't you just stress that we should continue to take a wait and see attitude about him like some others have taken? Wouldn't that be setting people straight without having to beat your own chest about "being right about him"?

That's untrue. I was one of Henne's supporters and often came to his defense. I can't say the same for Marshall, but I at least had Henne's back and there are those that had Marshall's back and still do. And presenting the opposite POV other than "Tannehill is the future" doesn't have to be that he "sucks", it can be that "We don't know whether Tannehill is the future or not at this point". True? I believe if you presented your arguments from that POV you would get much more support here, you would get my support for that POV.

Actually I think there has been plenty of improvement from day one, but you always seem to be absent on those weeks. You only seem to catch the game when he plays poorly.

He only shows up after a loss, never shows up after a win. And when the Fins win or Tannehill plays well he comes here weeks after and claims "I didn't watch that week so I can't say he played well I didn't see it"

The act is old. His act is stale. It's tired!  He isn't even a Dolphins fan its very clear

I'm kinda seeing Henne 2.0 with Tannehill. Hopefully I'm wrong.

You can't compare his 9 or 10 games vs Henne's 2 years. Not fair. Maybe in time he is Henne 2.0, but right now that is an unfair statement. Far too early

Um... Ron Jaworski and Trent Dilfer are not writers or reporters. They are analysts. And probably the best in the biz when it comes to analyzing QB's. They watch hours of film, and both are highly critical. So I'll keep respecting their opinion on Tannehill over someone who says they've only watched a few games. And conveniently only watched games the fins lost.

Pappy- why does my opinion bother you so much one way or another? I don't get it. If you disagree, great but you are coming across as if I have personally offended you.

Garrett- if Miami would win a few more games that Tannehill's been a key player in, perhaps I'd have something different to say. They're 4-6, and in reality one win came with Moore at the helm, so if you're telling me that a 3-6 QB with nearly twice as many INT's as TD's and a QBR of 70 is the future of the franchise, then it doesn't matter what I say. Your aqua and orange glasses have skewed your perspective beyond what is logical. I've said since day one he had a poor completion % in college, he got too many INTs due to tipped balls in college, and he loses games in the fourth quarter. Those are not things QBs improve on in the pros when the game moves faster. All this talk about, "we'll he's a rookie, he'll get better," isn't going to fix those three issues. They won't get better. Even Sanchez has more wins, more TDs, a better QBR, and fewer INT's than Tannehill. The guy now has people saying Nick Foles has more upside than he does, and Foles is awful!

Either way, the title of this thread is "Tannehill's regression." What, you thought everyone would be praising him in it? -EK

He's started 1 game!!!!  ::)

This is why everyone jumps on you. Because you make these blanket statements after a game, half, or a quarter and they are absurd on every level! Like when you proclaimed Jerome Simpson an "elite WR" or when you said Tim Tebow was a Top 10 NFL QB and a one in a million talent. You make these statements based off of almost no sample size and you always end up eating your words and looking like a fool! Saying Nick Foles is awful after he has started just 1 game in his life is a joke! As I say...go back and watch Peyton Manning's rookie year. It was brutal. Beyond brutal. You aren't willing to give anyone any time you just take the anti-Dolphins/Pro-Jets stance on everything to stir the pot around here. It's a stale and old act that now EVERYONE is on too!!

So you're saying you believe Foles is good? Never speak of football again if you believe that. -EK

I don't know if he is good or awful it takes more than 1 start to determine that!!  ::)

I could give a shit one way or the other if "everyone jumps" on me. There is a massive world outside of this board and I in no way value my self worth, nor identify myself through either this website, nor the people on it. And what- other than in your delusions- have I ever said that took a "pro-Jets" stance? Hey- you hated Marshall and Henne and even started threads and argued about them with not only myself but other members even after they left- that must make you Anti-Miami and pro-Jet as well. Every time I hear that Taylor Swift song, I wonder if she actually knows you personally:

"And I can see you years from now in a bar, talking over a football game
With that same big loud opinion but nobody's listening
Washed up and ranting about the same old bitter things"

-EK

Yet you are here after EVERY LOSS ragging on the Fins. And never show up after the team wins. You must put some value on this site or else you wouldn't make a decision based on the outcome of game whether you are here or not for that week! And when the team plays well or Tanny plays well you come here  weeks later with ..." I didn't see the game that week so I can't say they were good I didn't see it"

1) You faught with people here for like 9 months saying Mark Sanchez had a "career year" last year when he had the worst year of his life
2) You said Tim Tebow would fix all of the Jets problems and make them so much better
3) When the Jets drafted Coples you said Miami was going to pay for passing on him and he was going to haunt Miami forever (p.s...he has only 20 tackles in 10 games so far, a whopping 2 tackles per game average)
4) You RIPPED the Dolphins defense last year and PRAISED the Jets when Miami's defense gave up less points overall

I could keep going but we would be here all day. This is why you are FIREMAN EK!! The Jets can do no wrong in you're eyes and the Dolphins can do no right!


You listen to Taylor Swift?!? That explains a lot!

What about this post did you think wouldn't be thought of as offensive? If I didn't know better I would have thought that Tannehill personally offended you in some way with this post.

Or how about this one? The people on this forum shouldn't take this personally?

I can ask you the same thing. Why is it SO important for you to be right on this? You haven't just stated your opinion on Tannehill and been done with it, you have CONSTANTLY reminded us at EVERY opportunity your opinion as if we might somehow forget that you weren't on board with the drafting of Tannehill from the start. Like if Tannehill does turn out to be a bust that we will somehow all grant EK the seeker of truth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sword_of_Truth) title. I'm sure that if Miami IS looking for another QB in 3 year's time you will be beyond proud of yourself. It's not your opinion of Tannehill that offends me, it's your attitude that "I AM RIGHT and you should all thank me" that offends me.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

With that said, I'll refrain from responding directly to you on this topic again. I don't want it to become a distraction on these forums.

Nope, I'm sure you're quite right with all of that.  ;D

Pallet I think you miss my point entirely and I'm sorry if I offended you. Every week, week in and week out, win or lose, there are members of this board who will ferret out the most ridiculous stats to somehow validate that Tannehill is on his way to greatness. I've seen threads started about how he's the 11th best quarterback by one metric or another and threads about how this guy or that guy loves him. It's nonsense and I'm pointing out the other side if the coin. It shouldn't offend anyone if I'm saying something bad about the guy- especially if its true. He's not very good. As often as people are going to post crazy meaningless stats about him, you're going to hear me saying he sucks. He's making the same mistakes he's made in the past, but it's being dismissed as the "rookie wall." Nonsense. If other members here can absolutely destroy Henne and Moore for their play with complete immunity, I will continue pointing out Tannehill's flaws. Where was this righteous indignation for Moore last year or Henne the year before? -EK

Thread is on a cliff and about to go over.  I believe everyone has had their say (a few times).  This one is locked before we all go off the deep end.