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Title: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Landshark on December 10, 2012, 08:13:01 am
Week after week, you see the highlight reels and the Dolphins are never on them.  This article hits it right on the head.   Where are the playmakers on this team?  Aside from Cam Wake and maybe Reggie Bush, I don't see any.


http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/12/10/3135130/week-after-week-miami-dolphins.html


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 10, 2012, 09:04:46 am
One of them plays for the Bears now.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: el diablo on December 10, 2012, 09:08:17 am
Miambien sounds about right. Instead of adding to the one all-pro playmaker they had, they traded him away for peanuts. When you can't execute with what you have left, you get what we have now. Short passes that teams tee off on. Nothing to fear past 10 yds. A pattern that has returned from the Feidler days.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 10, 2012, 09:17:07 am
^^Problem with this?

Ricky Bush of today is not half the back Ricky Williams of those days were.  RW was a freaking beast, so you had to respect the short passing game, which is why Miami's offense was always around 11th overall (artififically) in the league.  And Jay had WR like Oronde Gadsden, who had the silkiest of hands in a tight spot.

I LIKE Reggie, but he isn't RW in his prime ~ which is why Miami's offense looked better in those days (and Miami would go 10-6, 11-5, 12-4).


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: hordman on December 10, 2012, 11:15:12 am
Just no big playmakers onthe outside.  Bess and Hartline are very good slot, secondary WRs and would compliment many teams in the league if they were sued that way.  They are top WRs (Hartlien being #1) on MIA and that's not good.

Hopefully, thru the draft and FA we can snag a top playmaker.  I think that was Philben's plan all along to make due with them and bring in Ocho and the other ones that have not worked, to work with Tannehill in his rookie season.

We'll see.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: EKnight on December 10, 2012, 11:20:20 am
Dwayne Bowe is available this off season. Wonder if he's a good fit. -EK


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Landshark on December 10, 2012, 12:07:27 pm
Dwayne Bowe is available this off season. Wonder if he's a good fit. -EK

So are Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings (assuming none of them are franchised or re sign with their own teams).  The Dolphins need every one of them if they plan on putting together a scary good receiving corps.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MaineDolFan on December 10, 2012, 12:32:18 pm
I'm wondering if Larry Fitz is going to force his way out of town after this season.  I would, if I were Larry.  He's been targeted 6 times in the last 4 games.  If Miami could get their hands on Larry Fitz, all bets would be off.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on December 10, 2012, 12:46:02 pm
My guess is if Larry wanted to force his way out he would do everything to land on a winning team....I can't see him leaving one losing franchise for another. However if he did end up here that would be fucking awesome. I love Larry and have had the pleasure of watching him his entire NFL career here in AZ. I truly feel terrible for the hand he has been dealt with his current crappy organization.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: EKnight on December 10, 2012, 01:13:25 pm
I read somewhere that heading into yesterday, Fitz had the highest number of RZ targets with zero receptions in the NFL, due to poorly thrown balls and/or drops. That would frustrate me immensely. -EK


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 10, 2012, 07:03:59 pm
So are Mike Wallace and Greg Jennings (assuming none of them are franchised or re sign with their own teams).  The Dolphins need every one of them if they plan on putting together a scary good receiving corps.

They won't be franchised. Jennings may be damaged goods and GB is loaded at WR. Pitt can't tag Wallace after they just paid Brown huge money at WR. They can but they will be in cap hell if they do!  Bowe would get 120% to be tagged again and KC won't do that.

Bowe is a Miami native and would love to come home. He has baggage though and we know Philbin/Irleand don't like players with baggage (Marshall/Ocho). Wallace is the guy I think will be atop Miami's wish list when all is said and done.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: EKnight on December 10, 2012, 07:45:31 pm
Wallace has just been on YOUR list for two years now. If they wanted him, they would have made a play for him this off season when he was so disgruntled. -EK


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 10, 2012, 07:49:03 pm
Wallace has just been on YOUR list for two years now. If they wanted him, they would have made a play for him this off season when he was so disgruntled. -EK

how can you make a play for a guy that is under contract to another team and that other team doesn't want to move  ::)


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 11, 2012, 10:22:11 pm
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/12/11/miami-dolphins-talking-points-mike-mayock-team-speed-not-ryan-tannehill-is-the-problem-with-the-offense/

Mike Mayock says the Fins "TEAM SPEED" on offense is the problem, not Tannehill

Gotta have "team speed" to make big plays!


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Landshark on December 11, 2012, 10:59:12 pm
http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thedailydolphin/2012/12/11/miami-dolphins-talking-points-mike-mayock-team-speed-not-ryan-tannehill-is-the-problem-with-the-offense/

Mike Mayock says the Fins "TEAM SPEED" on offense is the problem, not Tannehill

Gotta have "team speed" to make big plays!

Receiver separation.  You need at least one deep threat.  The Dolphins don't have one.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: el diablo on December 12, 2012, 08:25:06 pm
Receiver separation.  You need at least one deep threat.  The Dolphins don't have one.

Exactly.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2012, 10:42:11 pm
Receiver separation.  You need at least one deep threat.  The Dolphins don't have one.

Rome wasn't built in day. When Philbin came in and they blew this up on offense and started over every position couldn't be fixed in one year. WR was clearly put off till next year


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: mecadonzilla on December 12, 2012, 11:07:57 pm
WR was clearly put off till next year

This is something that has been painfully evident.  Coming from Green Bay, he may feel WRs are pretty much interchangeable.  I expect, after this year, he will pay particular attention to this overlooked detail.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 12, 2012, 11:12:16 pm
This is something that has been painfully evident.  Coming from Green Bay, he may feel WRs are pretty much interchangeable.  I expect, after this year, he will pay particular attention to this overlooked detail.

Don't think that was the case at all. They just had no money to add anybody of value to this roster this offseason. They were capped out!


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: mecadonzilla on December 13, 2012, 12:09:04 am
Don't think that was the case at all. They just had no money to add anybody of value to this roster this offseason. They were capped out!

Capped out, perhaps.  Most likely, they thought they could compete with almost nothing.  It's an issue they didn't even want to deal with until late in the draft.

This is a sin that can be forgiven when they decide to upgrade this offseason.  You can't fix everything in one year, and it appears that WR was the low on the priority list.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Spider-Dan on December 13, 2012, 11:26:41 am
Saying that there was "no one available at WR" is like trading away Wake and then complaining that there is no one on the market at DE.

Miami's WR corps was pretty respectable when Philbin arrived.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: EKnight on December 13, 2012, 11:31:58 am
I will never, ever, EVER understand trading away Marshall for what they got and making no actual effort to either draft a receiver before the 6th round or pursue a FA. -EK


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: masterfins on December 13, 2012, 11:43:06 am
^^^ I gotta believe that had Marshall stayed he would have been detrimental to Tannehill's development.  I wish the Fins had won a couple games that they should have, but overall the season is progressing just how EVERYBODY expected prior to the start of the year, perhaps even better than some expected.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 15, 2012, 06:42:38 am
Dolphins TE's combined have the lowest production out of every TE group in the league. They have no speed and can't get open. Poor seperation from the group. Fasano is nothing special. And Clay didn't come on till mid-November really.

This unit needs an overhaul. If Fasano is back its probably at back-up money. He isn't a starter in this league and shouldn't be paid as such.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 16, 2012, 07:12:39 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/15/report-packers-to-part-ways-with-finley/

don't be shocked if he's Miami's next TE.


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Landshark on December 16, 2012, 07:36:14 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/12/15/report-packers-to-part-ways-with-finley/

don't be shocked if he's Miami's next TE.

That would be an instant upgrade


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 16, 2012, 07:42:19 am
That would be an instant upgrade

He isn't the same player he was from a couple years back but yes it is an instant upgrade! And his GB ties with Philbin should help


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on December 16, 2012, 12:19:53 pm
Fitzgerald is a very good guy, but you have to figure he wants out. He will be 30 before next season starts and this isn't baseball, he won't be playing forever and he is on a Hall of Fame track. He doesn't want to be stuck with these guys for the rest of his career, but would he want a 2nd year QB playing in an empty stadium?


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: MikeO on December 16, 2012, 12:23:17 pm
Fitzgerald is a very good guy, but you have to figure he wants out. He will be 30 before next season starts and this isn't baseball, he won't be playing forever and he is on a Hall of Fame track. He doesn't want to be stuck with these guys for the rest of his career, but would he want a 2nd year QB playing in an empty stadium?

Arizona isn't trading him. If they do they will lose every ticket holder they have. Why would anyone go to their games


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on December 16, 2012, 09:17:56 pm
I understand the Jake Long situation, but Miami has to stop getting rid of heir top players. Like Marshall, even V.Davis was decent, now Long/Bush maybe. and the worst part is they're not replacing their talents. Thing how much better dolphins would be with B.Marshall now to spread the field a lil bit. They need that number 1 receiver, all they got is Bess and Hartline, whic r good but mostly slot guys. Bush is a nightmare for defenses but if the dolphin's passing attack stinks, defenses stack up the box and Bush goes nowhere, and he still gets those big runs. I say Kepp Bush with Thomas and L.Miller, add a good WR either thru draft or free agency and it improves them by alot. Unless Martin plays extremly well, then maybe get rid of Long, but he's the best guy on that O line, I dunno...all im sayin is replace the talents they let go, give Tannehill some weapons to work with. I still cant believe they just pretty much gave away B.Marshall, look at the numbers he's putting up, and never replacing him even...c'mon man


Title: Re: Dolphins aren't making enough big plays
Post by: Alwaysdullfan on December 16, 2012, 09:27:25 pm
I hope they keep Bush, that would solve that position's prob also having d.thomas and l.miller. But getting rid of Marshall was really stupid, esp that they never replaced him with another good receiver. Bess/Hartline r good but they usually work the slot, if Miami can add someone to stretch the field they would be much better team. Cuz Bush can still play, he's very explosive, almost every game he gets a huge run and thats with defenses playin to stop the run. cuz lets face it dolphins dont have any major passing threats so how can u except Bush doing it on his own. But he's def their best offensive player and I hope they keep him, they already got rid off Marshall, which was stupid idea. Miami should prolly get a WR in free agency, still young enough like Bowe, Wallace, add another maybe in the draft, and def address DB position, whether its a saftey or a shot down corner also either thru draft of FA. but getting rid of Bush wouldnt help anything, def downgrading, by keeping him they at least have the RB position all taken care of.