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Title: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 18, 2013, 06:50:21 pm
ClaytonESPN: Updating from owners meetings, I think the Dolphins could offer a No. 2 pick to KC to land LT Branden Albert.

Solves the LT problem. KC gets their 2nd rounder back they traded for Alex Smith

And I came across this as well: Per @PFF, Brandon Albert allowed fewer sacks & fewer QB hits + hurries than both Clady & Long over the past 2 years."


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on March 18, 2013, 06:58:47 pm
.....and yet all I keep hearing is that Long's replacement is already on the roster.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 18, 2013, 07:01:54 pm
.....and yet all I keep hearing is that Long's replacement is already on the roster.

He is if need be. Doesn't mean they don't have options to always upgrade!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on March 18, 2013, 07:07:45 pm
If you count de facto replacements, then OK. Wasn't Albert Franchised?


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 18, 2013, 07:12:32 pm
If you count de facto replacements, then OK. Wasn't Albert Franchised?

Yeah but they can still trade him. Miami will want to work out a long-term deal before any trade though


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on March 18, 2013, 08:04:32 pm
Still, would be an awesome pickup.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 18, 2013, 08:16:00 pm
Still, would be an awesome pickup.

The way Ireland has wasted 2nd and 3rd round picks (White, Turner, Henne, Smith, Merling...etc) I would rather he trade one for a "sure thing" than take a gamble on a pick.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 18, 2013, 08:47:30 pm
No no no. Miami doesn't need to do anything else in FA. Sign Garner and call it a day and head to the draft. If after the draft Miami is still looking for a piece or 2 to fill in a gap that wasn't filled in the draft, then MAYBE look at what's left in FA. NO TRADES where we are losing draft picks. Just pick guys with all those draft choices and you're bound to come up with 1 or 2 players. The only way that Miami screws up this off-season now is trading away shit that they don't need to trade away.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 18, 2013, 08:53:13 pm
. Just pick guys with all those draft choices and you're bound to come up with 1 or 2 players. The only way that Miami screws up this off-season now is trading away shit that they don't need to trade away.

Look at the 2008 and 2009 drafts!! lol


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: miamid45 on March 18, 2013, 09:22:39 pm
Definitely do something like this!  Need a proven performer @ LT and we need Tannehill on his feet and not running for his life.

The line will dictate whether our high priced wideouts produce this season. ;D


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on March 18, 2013, 09:55:37 pm
Look at the 2008 and 2009 drafts!! lol

With Jake Long hightailing it out of town, there are only two players left on the roster from both those drafts.  Nice work by the Irish Tuna combo.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 18, 2013, 11:49:48 pm
Look at the 2008 and 2009 drafts!! lol
Long, Langford, Merling, Henne, Davis, Smith, Hartline and Clemons.  Aren't all those guys still in the NFL? Yes I would have loved for a couple more of them to be pro bowl types of players, but the biggest problem with those picks is they were made with yesterday's NFL in mind. Parcells wanted all big strong guys rather than fast playmaking types of guys. I don't see this regime making the same mistake. I absolutely LOVED all the picks that Miami made last year, it was one of their best drafts in years in my opinion. They've done a nice job in FA this year filling in the holes, now they need to fill out the roster with talented players at every position. We don't need more starters, we need young and hungry guys that can push the starters for playing time, can come in to give the starter a breather or that can step into the starting position when the starter goes down without losing any ability. Your roster is about more than just your starting 22, it's about having 45 that are better then the opponents 45. We need to not get impatient. We need to continue to build the roster. Continue to put the pieces in place. Push for the playoffs next year, but expect even more progress the year after next. I want this franchise to return to its former glory where they don't just challenge for the AFCE one year, but they challenge for the AFCE every year. Putting a couple of good drafts together is the best way to do that. If you absolutely have to give away draft picks, then pick up draft picks in the following years draft. Belicheck has had a couple down years in the draft, but NE became what it is mostly by being smart on draft day and Shula and the Dolphins did it prior to him.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 19, 2013, 04:45:57 am
Long, Langford, Merling, Henne, Davis, Smith, Hartline and Clemons. 

Only 2 of them are with us though. That's the point!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 10:15:52 am
Only 2 of them are with us though. That's the point!
Just because they are no longer with the Dolphins doesn't mean they were bad players. If that's your definition of a bad player then Miami just spent millions bringing in bad players Wallace, Ellerbe, Wheeler and Gibson and you're suggesting they go out and trade away draft picks for another bad player in Albert.  >:D

Conversely just because a player is still with Miami doesn't mean that they are a good player. Jimmy Wilson, Charles Clay and Daniel Thomas are all still with the Dolphins, however all of those picks have had less impact to the Dolphins in my humble opionion then any of the 8 I mentioned from the 2008 and 2009 drafts. The 2011 draft was one of the worst in recent history in my opinion, getting only 1 player from the entire draft that has made a real impact to the team. As many have pointed out that's largely because they didn't have many picks that year and I agree completely which is why I want Miami to KEEP all 11 picks they have this year, not trade them away for guys they really don't need. The more picks you have, the better your odds of finding players that will help your team win.

I saw that Miami signed Nate Garner. Miami can put the same offensive line on the field next year that started the last 5 games of last year and played reasonably well together. There are offensive lineman in the draft that I think that could improve the line as well, I'd rather Miami look to the draft to improve the offensive line now rather than trade away picks to try to do it.

That's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 19, 2013, 10:17:47 am
Merling, White, Turner, and Henne suck. Vontae has talent but a piss poor attitude. Smith is nothing special. Langford is a role player. I rest my case!  ;)

Miami won't make 11 picks this year in the draft, its too many guys for 1 draft. They will trade up in rounds. They will trade picks off for next year. They will be creative. They can't trade the 2 comp picks though which sucks


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 10:57:36 am
Merling, White, Turner, and Henne suck. Vontae has talent but a piss poor attitude. Smith is nothing special. Langford is a role player. I rest my case!  ;)

Miami won't make 11 picks this year in the draft, its too many guys for 1 draft. They will trade up in rounds. They will trade picks off for next year. They will be creative. They can't trade the 2 comp picks though which sucks
What is your case? That the draft is no guarantee? I'm sold on that, but then neither is bringing in Brandon Albert. I'm okay with trading picks to move up or to get future draft picks. I'm not okay with trading draft picks for Brandon Albert.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 19, 2013, 01:21:23 pm
Albert is a sure thing. Ireland's 2nd and 3rd round draft picks are FAR FROM a sure thing, in fact most of them suck! That's my case


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 06:10:15 pm
Albert is a sure thing.
There's no such thing as a sure thing ESPECIALLY in the NFL.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on March 19, 2013, 06:17:18 pm

If Miami could get Brandon Albert for a second round pick, I'd say "do it."  I think Albert is a better LT than Martin, and it would free Miami up to use its first rounder on the best DB they can get.



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 06:26:34 pm
If Miami could get Brandon Albert for a second round pick, I'd say "do it."  I think Albert is a better LT than Martin, and it would free Miami up to use its first rounder on the best DB they can get.
You won't get him for a 2nd round pick because you are still going to have to sign him to a contract. Martin is also a better LT than a RT, so would still have Martin playing out of position. I'd rather put Martin at LT and either take a RT with the 2nd round pick or put Garner there and save the millions of dollars that Albert's contract is gonna cost you plus the draft pick that could then be used on a DE. That still allows you to use your first round on the best DB they can get. That's a better deal in my humble opinion.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 19, 2013, 07:01:55 pm
You won't get him for a 2nd round pick because you are still going to have to sign him to a contract.


KC would waive the right and let Miami and Albert work out a long-term deal before the trade. Happens all the time


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on March 19, 2013, 07:51:47 pm

^^^ Exactly...and my original comment about cost was considering "only" the draft pick compensation. I didn't actually think he'd be playing for free once he got here. ;)



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 08:22:17 pm
KC would waive the right and let Miami and Albert work out a long-term deal before the trade. Happens all the time
You think Albert is gonna work for free? You still are gonna have to work out a long-term deal that is going to pay him millions. You can sign a 2nd round draft choice for pennies comparitively speaking.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 19, 2013, 08:23:43 pm
^^^ Exactly...and my original comment about cost was considering "only" the draft pick compensation. I didn't actually think he'd be playing for free once he got here. ;)
I realize that you weren't considering it, but I am and I don't think he's worth giving up a 2nd just for the right to work out a deal with him that will pay him millions. If he was a free agent and we didn't have to give up a 2nd to sign him, that would be a different story and then I would consider it.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 20, 2013, 04:00:40 am
You think Albert is gonna work for free? You still are gonna have to work out a long-term deal that is going to pay him millions. You can sign a 2nd round draft choice for pennies comparitively speaking.

Which leads me back to my original point....have you seen Ireland's history of 2nd round picks?

Miami has the cap space to pay Albert. Albert will cost LESS than Jake Long. It's a win-win for Miami on all levels!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on March 20, 2013, 09:36:28 am
I realize that you weren't considering it, but I am and I don't think he's worth giving up a 2nd just for the right to work out a deal with him that will pay him millions. If he was a free agent and we didn't have to give up a 2nd to sign him, that would be a different story and then I would consider it.

It wasn't that I was "just" considering the 2nd round pick...but it was the aspect of the trade I was "specifically" discussing. Are you related to Spider-Dan, by chance?

And, for the record, you don't pay a 2nd rounder for the right to work out a long-term deal. You work out a long-term deal with him, and THEN you pay the 2nd rounder.

I think 3 posts explaining "1+1=2" is plenty... 'Nuff said on Albert until he actually becomes a Dolphins reality.



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 20, 2013, 10:22:41 am
Winston is in for a visit today so it might be all for nothing. If he signs today Martin is your LT, Winston at RT


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: mecadonzilla on March 20, 2013, 12:50:51 pm
Winston should be a perfect fit as he was quite productive making holes for Arian Foster in Houston with a similar blocking scheme.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on March 20, 2013, 02:18:42 pm
Winston should be a perfect fit as he was quite productive making holes for Arian Foster in Houston with a similar blocking scheme.

Ireland whiffed badly on Winston last year.  He better knock it out of the park with him this year.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 20, 2013, 02:54:09 pm
It wasn't that I was "just" considering the 2nd round pick...but it was the aspect of the trade I was "specifically" discussing. Are you related to Spider-Dan, by chance?

And, for the record, you don't pay a 2nd rounder for the right to work out a long-term deal. You work out a long-term deal with him, and THEN you pay the 2nd rounder.

I think 3 posts explaining "1+1=2" is plenty... 'Nuff said on Albert until he actually becomes a Dolphins reality.
Fair enough. Moving on.  ;D


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on March 20, 2013, 02:56:43 pm
Winston is in for a visit today so it might be all for nothing. If he signs today Martin is your LT, Winston at RT
I like this idea MUCH better. It won't cost a draft pick AND Martin moves from RT to LT and Winston goes to RT. I like both of those aspects of this move better than than the Brandon Albert trade move.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MyGodWearsAHoodie on March 20, 2013, 02:56:54 pm


And, for the record, you don't pay a 2nd rounder for the right to work out a long-term deal. You work out a long-term deal with him, and THEN you pay the 2nd rounder.



Sometimes yes, sometimes no.  I know that when the Pats traded for Moss they had the deal first.  When they traded away Cassel, the Chiefs didn't.  


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 20, 2013, 03:21:45 pm
Ireland whiffed badly on Winston last year.  He better knock it out of the park with him this year.

1) He didn't WHIFF at all  ::)...Miami had no salary cap room last year to sign any decent players. He didn't attempt to sign him beyond asking what his asking price would be

2) If Winston is so great how come he has been cut twice in back to back years now?


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on March 20, 2013, 06:52:21 pm
Ireland said today on SIRIUS NFL Radio that the Fins will visit with Smith and Vollmer and consider any trade possibilities (he can't mention Albert by name but insinuated it). Winston visited but the Fins brass (Philbin, Ross, Ireland) aren't in Miami so he meet with others. Although Winston's brother is a scout on the Dolphins so he sorta knows what's going on


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: bsfins on March 22, 2013, 01:24:22 pm

Per Adam Schefter twitter this morning..Chiefs are seeking a second-round pick in this year's draft as well as another pick in 2014 in a trade for franchise OT Branden Albert. (https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/315121946100658176)



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on March 22, 2013, 01:47:53 pm
What are we waiting for?


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 15, 2013, 02:04:42 pm

Bump... Report on CBS Sports says that KC has dropped their pick requirement to just a 2nd rounder this year, instead of a 2nd and another pick next year.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22077463/report-chiefs-lower-asking-price-for-lt-branden-albert

If Miami can still fit his salary into the cupboard, I'm still on board with signing this guy. That would solve the LT position with an excellent blind-side pass protector, and allow Miami to use that #12 pick on another weapon on either side of the ball (couch-cough-Warmack-cough-cough).



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 15, 2013, 02:50:25 pm
Bump... Report on CBS Sports says that KC has dropped their pick requirement to just a 2nd rounder this year, instead of a 2nd and another pick next year.
I'm just not sold on paying Albert big money. If we wanted to pay big money for a LT, why didn't we just keep Long? I'd still rather just take a RT in the 2nd round of the draft and have Garner be the RT if the rookie isn't ready to play because I think Martin is better on the left side then the right and I still think that Miami should be in "build mode" and not in "win-now" mode.

Signing Albert doesn't seem like a perfect fit for me, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 15, 2013, 03:01:34 pm

^^^ I can respect your position... I just think that a year of Garner at RT is not in the best interest of this team's offensive production (and Tannehill's health).



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 15, 2013, 03:22:23 pm
^^^ I can respect your position... I just think that a year of Garner at RT is not in the best interest of this team's offensive production (and Tannehill's health).
Understood, but Garner would only be the fallback if nothing else works. You could possibly get a RG in the draft and move Jerry to RT. Maybe project Yeatman actually comes to fruition. Maybe the RT you draft beats out Garner in pre-season or by mid-season at the very least. There are a lot of possibilities to explore and while none of them might be best option for the Dolphins in 2013, it might actually be the best option for 2014 and beyond. That's where my thinking is going anyway.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 15, 2013, 04:15:23 pm
I'm just not sold on paying Albert big money. If we wanted to pay big money for a LT, why didn't we just keep Long? I'd still rather just take a RT in the 2nd round of the draft and have Garner be the RT if the rookie isn't ready to play because I think Martin is better on the left side then the right and I still think that Miami should be in "build mode" and not in "win-now" mode.

Signing Albert doesn't seem like a perfect fit for me, but that's just my opinion, I could be wrong.

Albert > Long


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 15, 2013, 04:16:45 pm
Albert > Long (when not healthy)
FIFY.  ;D


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 16, 2013, 06:05:03 pm
^^being healthy is a part of the game. And a part that has diminished Long's level of play every year he has been in the league.

Ask me today who is a better overall player and its Albert. I think many would agree.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 16, 2013, 08:13:32 pm
^^being healthy is a part of the game. And a part that has diminished Long's level of play every year he has been in the league.

Ask me today who is a better overall player and its Albert. I think many would agree.
I agree, but then again Long may get healthy next year and Albert may get injured. Like you said health is a part of the game and it's a BIG unknown. I still would rather keep the 2nd round pick and take a chance on a RT. Younger and cheaper.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 16, 2013, 10:13:57 pm
I agree, but then again Long may get healthy next year and Albert may get injured. Like you said health is a part of the game and it's a BIG unknown. I still would rather keep the 2nd round pick and take a chance on a RT. Younger and cheaper.

I don't see Long ever being what he used to be.  He played through some serious injuries, and those injuries became permanent.

The team medical staff is partly to blame for not telling him he couldn't play.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 16, 2013, 10:59:27 pm
and those injuries became permanent.

Are you moonlighting as Long's personal physician these days, or have you simply added a doctorate in Clairvoyant Studies to your bona fides?


(translation: you have no idea whether they're permanent or not)



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 16, 2013, 11:16:30 pm
Are you moonlighting as Long's personal physician these days, or have you simply added a doctorate in Clairvoyant Studies to your bona fides?


(translation: you have no idea whether they're permanent or not)



They probably are. Why don't you ask guys like Manny Fernandez or Bill Standfill what playing wIth a serious injury can do to you.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 17, 2013, 07:35:34 pm
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-miami-dolphins-0418-20130417,0,4041252.story?track=rss

Fins and KC close on a deal. 2nd rounder only!!

I love this move if they pull it off!!!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: bsfins on April 17, 2013, 08:41:18 pm
I'm cautiously optimistic...I like this better than trading up to get some one...


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 18, 2013, 09:38:29 am
Armando sums it up nicely here. (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2013/04/dolphins-move-on-albert-will-depend-on-details.html)

This is far from being a slam dunk and that's why it's taking so long for Miami to pull the trigger and I'm still hoping they just ease the hammer back. Fans always believe the other side of the fence is so much greener when the reality is they've just spread a lot of BS over there. I say keep the pick, move Martin to LT who played better there then he did on the right side, take a RT or guard in the 2nd round and see how it all plays out. If after the draft you don't like what you have go after Winston.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 18, 2013, 09:55:46 am

Armando sums it up nicely here.

Fans always believe the other side of the fence is so much greener when the reality is they've just spread a lot of BS over there.

Something is certainly being spread somewhere, but I simply don't buy off on Armando's scenario... It makes too many assumptions. It assumes that we can find a trade partner in the top-3 to trade up with, and it assumes we can do that at a price that isn't ridiculously prohibitive. It assumes that Branden Albert won't get traded anywhere else, and it assumes that Winston won't sign somewhere else.

Assumptions are groovy when you're writing a column though...you can just let the imagination run wild and tap the keys until it all pieces together.




Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 18, 2013, 12:33:02 pm
Armando sums it up nicely here. (http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolphins_in_depth/2013/04/dolphins-move-on-albert-will-depend-on-details.html)

This is far from being a slam dunk and that's why it's taking so long for Miami to pull the trigger and I'm still hoping they just ease the hammer back. Fans always believe the other side of the fence is so much greener when the reality is they've just spread a lot of BS over there. I say keep the pick, move Martin to LT who played better there then he did on the right side, take a RT or guard in the 2nd round and see how it all plays out. If after the draft you don't like what you have go after Winston.
Winston sucks or else he wouldn't have been cut twice in two years. Signing him dosn't solve the RT problem. He is a below average player at this stage in his career

Trading for Albert would be the best move they can make. Guy had an outstanding season last year. He is a very good LT. Not great, but very very good.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 18, 2013, 01:28:45 pm
Winston sucks or else he wouldn't have been cut twice in two years. Signing him dosn't solve the RT problem. He is a below average player at this stage in his career

Trading for Albert would be the best move they can make. Guy had an outstanding season last year. He is a very good LT. Not great, but very very good.

Exactly. Albert is good, not great. But still better than Martin at LT. If Martin was a true replacement for Long, there would be no trade talk for Albert or the draft.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 18, 2013, 01:50:04 pm
Exactly. Albert is good, not great. But still better than Martin at LT. If Martin was a true replacement for Long, there would be no trade talk for Albert or the draft.

If Martin was the replacement for Long they wouldn't have tried to re-sign Long like they did.

Heard on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning that Long was offered $11 mill a year by Miami last September at the start of the season for a contract extension. He said NO and now he only got $8 mill a year as a free agent.  Ouch!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 18, 2013, 02:49:43 pm
Personally I'd rather have Martin on the left side then on the right. Everything that I've heard indicated that Martin played much better when he switched to the left side and that's without having spent any time practicing there. He played LT in college. Give him a full offseason on the left side and I think he'll be more than an adequate replacement for Long. He played OK on the right side, but nothing great. I really don't want him as the RT next year. I think Winston would be an improvement over Martin at RT.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: bsfins on April 18, 2013, 03:49:44 pm
Conflicting reports,The Dolphins had permission to talk Alberts,Andy Reid denies giving Miami permission....

@AdamSchefter: Chiefs have given Dolphins permission to talk to OT Branden Albert to help facilitate a trade for a 2nd-rd pick, per John Clayton.

@JasonLaCanfora: Dolphins trying to get an OT before draft via trade; Dallas remains interested in T Tyson Clabo and Eric Winston but $$ and cap crunch...

@finsjesse: Mayock sees all three LTs gone by 7. If Albert costs you #54: "I'm in." Specific to Dolphins.

@AlbertBreer: RT @adamteicher: Andy Reid denied the chiefs have given permission to the Dolphins to speak with Branden Albert

@AlbertBreer: I'll also say that I hardly think there's a consensus in the Dolphins' building that going after Branden Albert is the way to go.

(Sorry no links (rendering in 3d program) it's bitch just copying the tweets..)

I hate the week before the draft with this mis-information...


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 18, 2013, 06:36:40 pm
Reid has to say that being in his position (incase the deal falls through so KC doesn't have egg on their face and look bad publicly) ....so I don't believe what he is saying.

Sounds like this deal could be done early next week.

UPDATE: ESPN now reporting Miami would give up the lower of their 2nd round picks to KC. So the Fins would keep the better 2nd round pick


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 18, 2013, 09:41:10 pm
I am fine with trading our 2nd rounder for a proven NFL talent, but he will just be an expensive one year rental unless we are going to spend big money on a long term contract. For that reason alone, I say keep the pick and draft whoever is best available.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 18, 2013, 10:25:56 pm
I am fine with trading our 2nd rounder for a proven NFL talent, but he will just be an expensive one year rental unless we are going to spend big money on a long term contract. For that reason alone, I say keep the pick and draft whoever is best available.

They won't do the deal without a long-term deal finalized. Hence talking to the agent now before any trade goes through. That's how this all works!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 19, 2013, 07:06:31 am
If Martin was the replacement for Long they wouldn't have tried to re-sign Long like they did.

Heard on SIRIUS NFL Radio this morning that Long was offered $11 mill a year by Miami last September at the start of the season for a contract extension. He said NO and now he only got $8 mill a year as a free agent.  Ouch!

That's what I was saying all along.  When others were so quick to let Long walk. I knew it. His teammates knew it. The Dolphins are taking a gamble, like Long's agent was taking a gamble. The Dolphins are gambling that Long will never be healthy again. I heard that same report on Sirius yesterday. You gotta understand. Long's agent (like everybody else's agent) thought the salary cap would be expanded this year. For the 2nd year in a row, it hasn't. The vets are starting to realize the bad deal that they agreed to. They thought by restricting the rookie's salary, the vets would reap the benefits. They didn't anticipate a restrictive salary cap. So, I can't blame Long for turning down $11 mil last year. Its only the 2nd off-season with this new CBA.

On a side note. No one on Sirius radio feels Martin is a replacement for Long.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 19, 2013, 08:06:13 am
On a side note. No one on Sirius radio feels Martin is a replacement for Long.

He can be, if he gets it together.  I agree with Pappy that he's better on the left side than the right.  His natural position was left tackle where he played in college, and he played better there after Long got hurt than he did at the right tackle spot.  And this was without any practice time. 

What he did this offseason to improve his strength and techniques will tell us what we need to know.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 19, 2013, 12:16:09 pm

 The vets are starting to realize the bad deal that they agreed to. They thought by restricting the rookie's salary, the vets would reap the benefits. They didn't anticipate a restrictive salary cap. So, I can't blame Long for turning down $11 mil last year. Its only the 2nd off-season with this new CBA.


The Vets didn't get a bad deal. They got a lot of GUARANTEED health care in that deal which they don't realize now but will save them lots and lots of money down the road for the rest of their life. The owners are the one who got the bad deal overall. Nobody factors in the health care costs and always overlook it


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 20, 2013, 01:34:53 pm
https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2013/04/19/neils-nfl-daily-april-19-2013/

good read


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 20, 2013, 08:40:59 pm
Two things. Albert isn't a free agent. And the Chiefs used the tag on him. The Dolphins might want him to sign for $7 to $7.5 mil, but Albert's agent should be fired if he settles for that. The Chiefs set the bar on that. Not Albert.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 20, 2013, 08:52:34 pm
Why should Albert's agent be "fired" if he's traded to the Dolphins and signs a 5-year $37M contract with $20M guaranteed?  $20M is more than $10M.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 20, 2013, 08:57:28 pm
Two things. Albert isn't a free agent. And the Chiefs used the tag on him. The Dolphins might want him to sign for $7 to $7.5 mil, but Albert's agent should be fired if he settles for that. The Chiefs set the bar on that. Not Albert.

Huh? It's all about the guaranteed money. The yearly average doesn't mean squat! IF he is traded to Miami and signs a long-term deal he will become the highest paid OT this offseason. Making more than Long and anyone else. I don't understand your logic.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 21, 2013, 11:41:17 am
No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said. Granted, if Albert stays in kc and gets hurt, he's screwed. But, KC upped his price when they franchised him.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 21, 2013, 01:35:34 pm
No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said. Granted, if Albert stays in kc and gets hurt, he's screwed. But, KC upped his price when they franchised him.

you have totally lost me on this. There are 2 scenarios for Albert. And Albert in no way is getting screwed in either scenario.

He either makes $9 mill this year, becomes a free agent next year and signs a huge deal then. OR he gets traded to Miami now and gets a huge deal now. In no way is Albert getting screwed.

You are making the mistake of looking at "yearly average" of "$7 mill a year" which is a totally worthless number if he signs a long-term deal. Miami isn't trading for Albert without a deal in place, so there will be NO TRADE unless Albert gets the big money deal. Once again, Albert isn't going to be traded without being paid BIG BUCKS, Albert is calling the shots now on this! .....hence he isn't getting screwed!!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 21, 2013, 03:30:25 pm
you have totally lost me on this. There are 2 scenarios for Albert. And Albert in no way is getting screwed in either scenario.

He either makes $9 mill this year, becomes a free agent next year and signs a huge deal then. OR he gets traded to Miami now and gets a huge deal now. In no way is Albert getting screwed.

You are making the mistake of looking at "yearly average" of "$7 mill a year" which is a totally worthless number if he signs a long-term deal. Miami isn't trading for Albert without a deal in place, so there will be NO TRADE unless Albert gets the big money deal. Once again, Albert isn't going to be traded without being paid BIG BUCKS, Albert is calling the shots now on this! .....hence he isn't getting screwed!!

Again, according to the article that you submitted. I'm not looking at the average salary.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 21, 2013, 03:34:28 pm
No kidding that its about the guaranteed money.  According to the article, the writer implied that Albert should settle for $7 mil in a new contract. His franchise tender is for $9 mil. If Kansas City didn't franchise him, then I could see the $7 mil logic. However, they did. Which hampers his readability. If Miami is unwilling to guarantee $16 mil over the next two $24 over the next 3, then that would be a bad deal for Albert. Which is why I said what I said.
So if I understand you correctly:

- Albert is scheduled to make ~$10M guaranteed next year
- Albert's agent "should be fired" if he accepts a deal making "$7M to $7.5M per year"

HOWEVER

- A deal which guarantees $16M over the next two years is acceptable?

So basically, $7.5M per year is an insult but $8M per year is kosher?  Tough crowd.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 21, 2013, 06:02:15 pm
Again, according to the article that you submitted. I'm not looking at the average salary.

Either way Albert is getting paid a lot of money and a very large chunk guaranteed. I don't know what your issue is with any of this.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 21, 2013, 06:33:15 pm
Jason Cole reporting tonight that Brandon Albert wants to be paid more than Jake Long and Miami is having second thoughts

If Miami doesn't trade for Albert expect them to use that 2nd round pick they woulda sent to KC to trade up for one of the other 3 OT's


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 21, 2013, 06:55:36 pm
Miami can't let Jake Long go and then sign someone similar to him for more money AND a 2nd round draft pick. That's just stupid. I never liked this proposal from the beginning and I hate it even more now.

I would rather use that extra pick to move up and draft a LT for a fraction of the cost.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 21, 2013, 07:12:01 pm
Miami can't let Jake Long go and then sign someone similar to him for more money AND a 2nd round draft pick.

The critical area in which they are NOT similar is their health. If Long was as healthy as Albert, he would never have been allowed to walk.



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 21, 2013, 07:29:52 pm
The critical area in which they are NOT similar is their health. If Long was as healthy as Albert, he would never have been allowed to walk.



Exactly. Albert has had some back issues, and that's it. Long has had back issues, knee issues, triceps issues, biceps issues, shoulder issues. Can't compare the 2 when it comes to injury history.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 21, 2013, 08:40:55 pm
Yes, but those back injuries happened last year and limited him to 11 starts. I agree he has a better injury history than Long, but he is far from a slam dunk and he wants top dollar. Just doesn't seem worth it.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 22, 2013, 02:41:46 am
No need to even trade up as there are quality tackles that can be had at Miami's spots. Don't blow your draft picks.  This is a deep draft for offensive lineman


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2013, 04:15:49 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report-ot-albert-wants-50-143134012--nfl.html

Not looking good at the moment for the Albert trade. Still a few days left though so ya never know.

Miami will probably use the pick they were going to send to KC and trade up in Rd 1 and draft Fisher or Johnson


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 22, 2013, 05:39:42 pm
Miami will probably use the pick they were going to send to KC and trade up in Rd 1 and draft Fisher or Johnson
Or just draft a RT in round 2 and move Martin to LT. I think this is more likely.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2013, 06:40:08 pm
Or just draft a RT in round 2 and move Martin to LT. I think this is more likely.

draft a guard and move Jon Jerry to RT his natural position is the better option


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2013, 07:18:34 pm
the latest

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m
From TA: My understanding is #Dolphins are willing to meet Branden Albert's contract demands of similar $$ to Duane Brown. Waiting on KC


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 22, 2013, 07:47:09 pm
draft a guard and move Jon Jerry to RT his natural position is the better option
That works for me too.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: el diablo on April 22, 2013, 10:43:13 pm
the latest

Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 3m
From TA: My understanding is #Dolphins are willing to meet Branden Albert's contract demands of similar $$ to Duane Brown. Waiting on KC


Awesome.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 22, 2013, 11:16:08 pm
Looks like the trade will go down with Miami meeting Albert's asking price contract wise according to reports. KC just hoping another team (SD or Arizona) comes in and offers MORE than Miami and is willing to also pay Albert. Which is unlikely.

My guess is this trade happens late Wednesday or early Thursday


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 22, 2013, 11:46:46 pm
Not a fan of the move, but it makes Miami a lot better in the near future than having Martin at LT. Guess this means we draft a CB with the first pick and then a DE with the next.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 23, 2013, 07:11:27 am
John Clayton reporting the trade will go down on Thursday. KC doesn't want to tip their hand on who the #1 overall pick will be and is waiting to see if they get any outrageous offers for that pick up until then


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 23, 2013, 08:00:49 am
Not a fan of the move, but it makes Miami a lot better in the near future than having Martin at LT. Guess this means we draft a CB with the first pick and then a DE with the next.

This draft is deep on defensive backs and offensive linemen, not so much on pass rushing defensive ends.  That needs to be addressed early on.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: BigDaddyFin on April 23, 2013, 08:05:40 am
The Phinstones says the hangup is over draft pick compensation.

Albert is looking for a deal in the 9ish million range with 22 million guaranteed blah blah blah a bit less than what Jake Long got with the Rams.

https://www.facebook.com/ThePhinstones?ref=stream&hc_location=stream

I don't know how accurate this is and am not a member of the Phinstones so I can't say if it's outdated or inaccurate.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 24, 2013, 06:53:21 pm
Armando reporting the Fins and Albert have pretty much agreed to a deal.  Trade should go through


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 24, 2013, 09:23:54 pm
Is he really that good? I don't recall hearing a ton about him before trade talks with Miami opened up.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Sunstroke on April 24, 2013, 09:49:46 pm
I don't recall hearing a ton about him before trade talks with Miami opened up.

I suppose that depends on how closely you follow the NFL. I remember Albert back when he was still an OG prospect, before he moved to LT.



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 24, 2013, 10:40:17 pm
Is he really that good? I don't recall hearing a ton about him before trade talks with Miami opened up.

And that's a good thing when you're an offensive lineman.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2013, 05:32:27 pm
Ian Rapoport ‏@RapSheet 1m
As I just said on our show: Don't be shocked if Branden Albert trade doesn't happen until #Dolphins are on the clock. Crazy.

Ed Werder ‏@Edwerderespn 2m
Dolphins-Chiefs won't further discuss Branden Albert trade until both teams pick in first round _ assuming Dolphins haven't picked an OT


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: EDGECRUSHER on April 25, 2013, 06:12:26 pm
Big gamble on both teams parts. If Miami doesn't pick a LT, they have no trade leverage. If Miami trades up for a LT, Kansas City is stuck with Albert for a rebuilding year and then he leaves with no compensation.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2013, 06:25:41 pm
Big gamble on both teams parts. If Miami doesn't pick a LT, they have no trade leverage. If Miami trades up for a LT, Kansas City is stuck with Albert for a rebuilding year and then he leaves with no compensation.

Less of a gamble on Miami. Miami could always draft a Tackle in Rounds 2 or 3 or just sign Winston if need be.

KC is stuck with Albert if they don't move him and will get nothing in return for him after this year when he walks.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 25, 2013, 06:49:47 pm
I think this pretty much means that Miami is NOT desperate for a LT and will not trade up to get one. If one falls into their lap, fine but they have options well beyond the first round.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2013, 06:50:56 pm
I think this pretty much means that Miami is NOT desperate for a LT and will not trade up to get one. If one falls into their lap, fine but they have options well beyond the first round.

I think they will trade up for Joeckl in a heart beat if he is there at #3. They love him. Tex AM ties with Sherman/Tanny. He is the one guy they trade up for at LT


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 25, 2013, 06:51:40 pm
Big gamble on both teams parts. If Miami doesn't pick a LT, they have no trade leverage. If Miami trades up for a LT, Kansas City is stuck with Albert for a rebuilding year and then he leaves with no compensation.
The trade would go down with MIA on the clock (or earlier), not after.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2013, 06:53:54 pm
Hoping Ireland can get Albert for a 3rd rounder. Miami has all the leverage today and tomorrow when it comes to this trade. Low ball them if they don't take it, oh well!


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 25, 2013, 07:13:03 pm
I think they will trade up for Joeckl in a heart beat if he is there at #3. They love him. Tex AM ties with Sherman/Tanny. He is the one guy they trade up for at LT
Well either Miami doesn't think that Joeckel will be there at #3 or they aren't prepared to give up what they would have to. If they were, why keep stringing KC along. If you want a tackle that bad, just give up the 2nd round pick already and have Albert signed.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 25, 2013, 07:37:04 pm
Well either Miami doesn't think that Joeckl will be there at #3 or they aren't prepared to give up what they would have to. If they were, why keep stringing KC along. If you want a tackle that bad, just give up the 2nd round pick already and have Albert signed.

why show your hand now a half hour out? Miami is playing this right

Miami wants Joeckl more so there is no rush now when there is a strong possibility he will be there at #3


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 25, 2013, 07:45:14 pm
why show your hand now a half hour out? Miami is playing this right

Miami wants Joeckl more so there is no rush now when there is a strong possibility he will be there at #3
Oh they are playing it right alright. They are letting it come to them rather then trying to make it happen. That's why they'll wait till the #12 pick and pick the best player available to them at that point or trade with someone else who is desperate and move down.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 27, 2013, 05:59:22 am
This deal isn't officially dead yet but it doesn't look like it will happen.

Dolphins have Martin and Jon Jerry right now as starting tackles.

Interesting to see if Miami goes back to Winston (who might be Marc Colombo 2.0 at this stage in his career) or if they just roll with Jerry or maybe this Dallas Thomas kid can play tackle at this level. We will se


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: CF DolFan on April 27, 2013, 10:07:10 am
I don't know that Miami will try and address every single need unless its there to be had for a deal. They didnt replace Marshsal even when we had nothing because there wasn't anything worth wasting picks on. Although we have had a hell of an offseason I don't see them changing philosophies now and we actually do have a LT already. He may not be the long term answer but this year will be spent trying to gel with all the new. We can address franchise LT next year as long as we don't overspend now. This new feeling of optimism is exciting but  I believe year three will be our year to really contend.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 27, 2013, 10:33:28 am
I don't know that Miami will try and address every single need unless its there to be had for a deal. They didnt replace Marshsal even when we had nothing because there wasn't anything worth wasting picks on. Although we have had a hell of an offseason I don't see them changing philosophies now and we actually do have a LT already. He may not be the long term answer but this year will be spent trying to gel with all the new. We can address franchise LT next year as long as we don't overspend now. This new feeling of optimism is exciting but  I believe year three will be our year to really contend.

not addressing WR is one thing. Not addressing your tackle position is another. Can't ignore those spots.

Martin at LT ...fine. But Right Tackle is a question. Will Yeatmen? Jon Jerry? Dallas Thomas? Not exactly a who's who of guys that should make Tannehill feel safe!

And the Dolphins have totally changed philosophies this offsason in many ways.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 28, 2013, 08:23:59 am
Miami squashed the deal for Albert. Money wasn't the issue, the trade compensation was..

From the Miami Hearld..........As of last week, Miami hadn’t offered Eric Winston anything more than a one-year deal at very low money, but Winston remains an option unless Miami and the Chiefs revive talks on Branden Albert. The Dolphins and Chiefs discussed the 54th pick, but Miami ultimately decided not to offer it, though they did reach a financial understanding with Albert had a trade gone down.

Jon Gruden said Winston’s play was a “disaster” last year, but keep in mind Pro Football Focus ranked him a solid 26th of 80 tackles (allowed three sacks, 25 quarterback hurries). By comparison, Albert was 25th (1 sack, 12 hurries). Miami isn’t enamored with Bryant McKinnie and also hasn’t called former Falcons starter Tyson Clabo, among the best free agent tackles left.
 



Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Landshark on April 28, 2013, 02:16:51 pm
B/R is reporting that the Dolphins have resumed negotiations wIth Winston


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: BigDaddyFin on April 28, 2013, 09:09:59 pm
I was curious about this.  It seems getting Eric Winston isn't a huge drop off in production despite his poor play last year and we get him at a lot less money...


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Spider-Dan on April 29, 2013, 12:54:06 am
Even PFF has complained about people using their stats to say that Albert was the "25th best tackle last year."  He was mediocre in run blocking, but top-10 in pass blocking.


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: Pappy13 on April 29, 2013, 09:42:46 am
Miami squashed the deal for Albert. Money wasn't the issue, the trade compensation was..
Not according to Omar Kelly at the Sun Sentinal. 2 newspapers, 2 different stories. Not surprising since it's all speculation anyway.

"But the one player Dolphins fans should move on from is offensive tackle Branden Albert, who Miami discussed trading with Kansas City for, but balked Albert's asking price for a new contract."

Eventful draft for Miami (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-dolphins-draft-0428-20130427,0,5403711.story)


Title: Re: Clayton: Fins might trade for Brandon Albert
Post by: MikeO on April 30, 2013, 04:58:53 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/04/30/dolphins-turn-their-attention-to-tyson-clabo/

Clabo visiting Fins too

How Clabo isn't on a team yet is surprising. Solid tackle in this league