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Well free agency is pretty much over for the Fins at this point (finding starters wise at least) and we are in April so time to look towards the draft as we now have a clear picture of what this Dolphins team.

Seems to me the "logical" options for Miami at #12 are OT and CB. With an outside shot at TE or WR. To me those are the ONLY 4 spots I see Miami going at 12.

Obviously if the Fins sign Winston, then cross OT off the list for Rd 1, he's the one guy still out there we could sign and will start for us. I still think at the end of the day Miami will move up. We have 5 picks of the first 82 picks but I also don't believe we will sit tight and take 5 players. A team like Cleveland who doesn't have a 2nd round pick is a prime TRADE partner, we can move up and they can get another 3rd or a 2nd and trade down.  I think the Brownies will be looking to move out of #6.

I could see Miami moving up to that spot to get Milliner or Johnson. IF the Fins stay at 12 I think guys like Eifert and Austin are in play as the other 2 are off the board at 12. As of today those are the 4 names I think Miami is looking at in Rd 1. With the caveat that if the right pass rusher falls Miami could also grab him.

I disagree. I don't see the Dolphins moving up at least not in the first round. In fact I think it's possible they could move down to get even more picks, perhaps even in next year's draft. I could see packaging a couple picks in round2 2 or 3 to perhaps move up in round 2 or perhaps the tail end of round 1 if someone is there they want, but not in round 1. There's no point. This draft is extremely weak at the top especially for what Miami needs.

5 of the first 82 picks I dont see us trading down for more picks.  How many more picks do they need in the early rounds? At some point ya gotta take someone! (the last time we traded down we passed on Earl Thomas and ended up with Oddrick/Misi, didn't work out too well) (and I don't see us trading picks for next year as if we have a bad year Ireland won't be here next year, how does that help him)

The draft may be "weak" at the top but if there is a guy you really like or want, go get him! Especially when you have extra picks to play with. We will trade up before we trade down. Guess we will see in a few weeks!

All I know is we better not take an OT at 12. Get the best player available that is a play maker. We can't keep investing first rounders into offensive linemen.

OT is one of the biggest voids on this team right now though. Unless you want Martin/Jerry as your starting tackles this year

Sure, but is there one? Miami seems to be in the enviable position that they really don't NEED anyone right now. I think we could take the roster we have right now into training camp and be better off then this team has been in years. That allows you to sit back and let the draft play out and just makes moves when the timing is right. Trade down, trade up, get extra picks next year, whatever. Just let it play out. There is no need to really go after someone. Now if there WAS a guy that you just had to have, sure go get him, but I don't think this draft has that guy. There are very few guys that wow you and even the few that do don't wow your socks off. I see Miami playing it very calm and listening to a lot of offers from teams that are in more desperate straights then Miami is in.

Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not thinking that Miami is set, I just think they don't really have any glaring weaknesses at this point. I guess you could argue that offensive tackle is a glaring weakness, but I really don't think it is. Miami could start the same offensive line that they finished the season with last year and that would be ok. Sure, I'd love to upgrade it, but even if they didn't it would be a decent line. If they do get a young stud OT and he plays up to his potential, offensive line will be one of the strengths of the team.

That's a rather skewed hindsight analysis of that pick.  Miami was in line to pick Dan Williams that year; it would have been highly questionable to spend a first-rounder on a DB one year after spending a first and a second on DBs.

You could have at least said that Miami passed on JPP (as he and Odrick are both DEs), but I think we both know JPP was not really the player Miami was coveting, either.  They were pretty hot and heavy after Williams, but didn't think he was worth a #12, and traded down hoping he would last.

P.S. As Miami ended up getting Reshad Jones 4 rounds later, I can live with their decision to pass on Thomas.

1) Offensive Tackle right now is a glaring weakeness. There is no way they want to start Jon Jerry or Will Yeatman at RT next season. That is a last resort type of deal. Having to do it for the final month of the season when you are eliminated from the playoffs already, fine. Having to start a season with a player like that at RT, not ideal. And if one of those guys are the right tackle and we have Lance Louis coming off a major knee injury at RG....sorry, but that o-line sucks! It really does! That is a terrible o-line!!

2) There are a lot of quality guys to trade up for, Miliner, Fisher, Johnson, Jockel..etc. If Miami could package a couple picks to draft a day 1 starter at the top of rd 1 and still have extra picks in the early rounds its a no brainer. 

Unless the Fins trade for Albert or sign Winston  come hell or high water Miami is probably trading UP for one of those 3 tackles. I think its almost a foregone conclusion at this point.

Way to clarify the statement :-)

Is there a significant jump between OTs which may go before our pick, and those expected to be availible at 12? (I don't know, we don't get any decent NFL coverage over here!) Is there a "sure fire" pick sitting there to be had if we trade?

Unless there is a sure fire pick availible I'd rather draft more players, you can assemble a good starting 22 but ultimately you only make a champonship calibre team but having a deep 53 man roster and that is done through the draft.

Odds are there won't be an OT at #12 worth taking. There are 3 sure fire OT's to go in the Top 10 then there is a big drop off

Then you don't take one at 12.  Grab Austin or Patterson or Rhodes and go from there.  Don't give up your draft picks you worked so hard to stockpile.

I'm sick of drafting offensive linemen at the top round.

You view it as "giving up draft picks", which is foolish. They are trying to get the BEST players available to help the team win! I am sorry if they only have to give up a 3rd to move up into the Top 5 or 6 to get a stud LT, that's smart. And they will still have multiple picks in Rd 2 and a 3rd rounder.

And of course come Week 1 when our opponent rushes past our Right Tackle and sacks Tannehill on a 3rd down in the 1st quarter you will be on this site cursing and bitching that Irleand is clueless for not addressing the offensive tackle position in a serious way.   ::)

At #12 we should be taking the best play maker available. I don't think the Offensive Line will be that bad going into next year. The team needs to draft play makers with their high picks, not into OTs. You can pick up OTs in later rounds.

Perfect world, give up a 2nd rounder this year (with a 4th or 5th next year) for Brandon Albert and then draft Austin or Eifert at #12. That's what I would do.

But this o-line is a mess right now and OT needs to be addressed at #12 if they don't trade for Winston or draft Albert

For all of you guys who don't want to trade away any picks you do realize the guy making the picks has drafted guys in Rounds 2 and 3 like Michael Egnew, Pat White, Patrick Turner, Koa Misi, Philip Merling, Chad Henne, Jon Jerry, Daniel Thomas, Sean Smith. Ireland's track record in Rd 2 and 3 is kinda crappy. So I wouldn't hold onto those picks like gold.

^^He's due :)

ha ha ha ha! Great point actually!

We have so many options now... 

Theoretically the Dolphins could pick from any one of the following:

WR
DE
CB
S
TE
OT
DT

Pretty much the only thing we can be sure of is they aren't going to pick a Quarterback, Running Back or Linebacker in the first round.

Miami should shock the world and go with a long-snapper at #12... ;)

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap1000000158131/article/will-miami-dolphins-trade-up-to-draft-lane-johnson

As the draft is getting closer the Dolphins trading up talk is gaining steam each and every day

Dumb dumb move

Maybe they shouldnt take an OL but that wouldnt bother me as much as drafting a WR or TE. I know that the talent is there but to me it would seem like a waste of ur top pick. If Miami was to plan drafting a WR or TE then sign/re-sign all those WRs this offseason. We paid top dollar for Wallace, got Keller, Gibbson and resigned Hartline. If anything I hope the Dolphins go for a CB, pass-rusher to play along side Wake, and I guess OL wouldnt be that bad of an idea. Since we got some weapons now for Tannehill now we gotta keep him protected in the pocket. Also since Miami has so many picks in the top 82 that leaves them with plenty of options to get another WR if they need to or one of top 2 CBs, an OL and a solid pass-rusher that should be avaiable in rounds 2-3. But I wouldnt trade up or down since they still have bunch of needs and their picks this year are nicely spaced out to fill any holes they desire. thats just my own opinion.

right....or draft a long snapper or punter ;)

jokes aside I do think Miami should draft a play maker with their #12 pick but not an offensive one but defensive one. Get the best CB, S or DE avaiable. Good pass-rusher would be a huge help to help C.Wake sack Tom Brady.  I dont think its a good idea using the pick esp for a WR...id rather get OL than WR or TE. Esp since we got few WRs and a TE in free agency and also re-signed Hartline. I think they already got their playmakers. If anything draft a TE or WR in later rounds if they wanna create more depth at the position. But because we spent so much money on Wallace, got Keller, Gibson and Hartline back, I wouldnt waste the pick on a receiver. If they planned on drafting a WR with their top pick then they shouldnt have singed so many free agents this offseason.

Something to keep an eye on......Starks is playing under a franchise tag. Soliai is in the final year of his deal. If Miami went DT in Rd 1 because they don't expect Starks or Soliai to be back next year don't be shocked.

And the Fins have meet with the top DT's of this draft and had them in for visits so if one falls I could see Miami grab him

They just signed signed former Utah long snapper Patrick Scales so I doubt that will happen now.   :D

 

Is John Denney on the way out?

Competition at a rookie minimum.

I wonder if they'll bring in another kicker to do the same thing for Dan Carpenter.  Fact is, if not for Carpenter's missed kicks, this team has a winning record in 2012.

Fact is, if not for Tannehill's incomplete passes, this team has a winning record in 2012.
Fact is, if not for Sean Smith's allowed first downs/TDs, this team has a winning record in 2012.
Fact is, if not for Bush's failures to reach the first down marker, this team has a winning record in 2012.
Fact is, if Hartline catches more than one TD on the year (and does so in the 5 games that MIA lost by 7 points or less), this team has a winning record in 2012.

Why is it only Carpenter's errors that are the difference?

Because you can see at least two times where if he makes his kicks, we win, if I recall. While Tannehill overthrew some deep balls, Hartline drops some passes, and Smith dropped some easy INTs, when it comes down to the last second where you can win it for your team, and you blow it, people remember that.

If we'd had the new logo last season, this team would have had a winning record...

Take that, bitches...  ;)

Actually the logo itself would have easily cost us two more games....... :P

To clarify, which of these two games are you talking about:

- The game where Carpenter missed a kick early in the 3rd quarter, followed by a Tannehill INT, a Naanee fumble, a Tannehill fumble, and then another Tannehill INT in overtime
- The game where Carpenter missed a kick early in the 4th quarter, followed by the Miami offense gaining a total of 2 yards on the next two series, Carpenter kicking a game-tying FG with 0:15 on the clock, and then missing a 48-yard FG in OT

I don't see any reasonable way to blame both of those games on Carpenter.

Furthermore, by definition, nearly every FG attempt is after the offense has failed to do its job.  So virtually all Carpenter failures come immediately after a failure by Tannehill and/or Bush.

according to Armando the Fins have questions about Lane Johnson's ability

Other rumors out that if Miami trades up they may go big (Top 2 or 3) to get Fisher or Joeckel.

If Armando is accurate, and not just blowin' smoke rings out his poop-chute, then he would appear to be the ONLY person out there who has any questions about Lane Johnson.

Probably academic though, as I highly doubt Lane will last to pick #12...

I think Miami and SD will be looking to trade up high into Rd 1 to get the OT they want. And there are teams without picks in rounds 2,3 and  (Raiders, BRowns) who will be in the market to trade down.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/pat-kirwan/22095935/dolphins-are-in-prime-position-to-make-a-big-splash-in-nfl-draft


Good read. Pat Kirwin article

Miami Herald reporting Davone Bess being traded next week could very well happen IF Miami drafts a slot WR in the early rounds.

I don't know how I feel about this. Bees is one of my favorite players, but I see any of the first round WR as potential play makers, while Bess is more of a blue collar player.

Bess is also in the final year of his contract, and having just giving new contracts to Wallace, Gibson, Hartline the odds of Miami giving another vet like Bess a contract appear slim. So if he is going to walk at the end of the year anyway, might as well draft someone and send Bess packing now and get something in return for him

This guy has pretty good info and according to him its down to 3 guys for the Fins...

NFL.com's Daniel Jeremiah writes the Miami Dolphins will draft one of Texas S Kenny Vaccaro, Notre Dame TE Tyler Eifert or Alabama G Chance Warmack at 12.

Eifert would be fine with me.

I think Miami has a solid pair of safeties, so Vaccaro's inclusion makes me scratch my head a little.

SS Reshad Jones is 25, and in the final year of his 4-year rookie contract. He had an outstanding season last year...should have been in the pro bowl, imo.
FS Chris Clemons is 27, and playing on the 1-year deal he signed earlier this offseason. Last season was arguably the best of his 4 years in Miami.

I guess Miami would simply be looking to the future with Vaccaro...as Clemons' replacement.  Can't really play all 3 at the same time this year though, so I think I'd rather see that #12 pick address a position where Miami needs a starter "now." This safety class is deep enough that Miami can get a pretty good one in round two. I'd argue that Eifert (whose value at #12 makes me cringe a little) would be more of an impact player this season, and I'd definitely say that Warmack would provide an instant impact.

Clemons is on a 1 year deal. And while I think I read he made like 2 mental mistakes all year (according to the coaches) and almost no missed tackles, he doesn't make enough "impact plays" for their liking.

I don't think they would take Vaccaro but I guess ya never know

I think the Dolphins are just keeping all their options open,See how the top of the first round shakes out.See if the price of a trade up goes down when people are on the clock..If the top of the draft doesn't work out,or the price to trade up is too high,they make the trade for Alberts.Then draft according to our board.....

Just keeping everyone guessing,I actually sort of like the position we're in.We can trade up,down,take someone,or make a trade for Alberts..

Probably wrong,Just my two cents...

For the Alberts trade to take place he has to pass a team physical first. Therefore if the trade isn't done when the draft begins, it won't happen once it begins (at least for a draft pick in this years draft)

I'm talking about if the the 1st round doesn't go the way we want,you half read what I said. ...Albert is in Miami him taking a physical first thing Friday morning,isn't out of the question...

Reports are out tonight that KC will take Fisher #1. And if Jax goes Jordan or a pass rusher...don't be shocked if Miami trades up to #3 and take Jokel (who they love) since the Raiders are dying to trade down and get extra picks.

Reports just coming out that Fisher is the #1 pick by KC.

IF Jax doesn't take Joeckel....expect Miami to try and move up to #3 and grab him

We on the clock at 3

Dolphins just butchered their draft

How exactly

Dion Jordan.  Holy shit!!!!!

Brandon Albert still in play for the Fins!'


Get him for a 3rd!

I love how Miami traded their better 2nd rounder to move up, leaving Kansas City no choice but to accept our later 2nd rounder if they want to do the trade.

Or next years 2nd rounder according to Armando. KC has the option of either

Or screw him altogether and get a RT with their 2nd. Make KC eat him.

Warmack's gone now - I think there was some talk about him being a possibility at guard and moving Jerry over to RT. That said, as soon as we moved up to pick 3 the chance of that happening went out the window, no way he would have lasted to the second round.

Will we try and draft a specialist RT, and get something decent at the end of the second round or later? Still have so many other key needs like CB to address too.

Some draft reviews by the "experts"

Kiper has Miami has his #3 WINNER
3. Miami Dolphins: Jeff Ireland won the offseason by outspending everyone in free agency. A case could be made that he tried to outdraft the other 32 teams. Instead, sitting passively at the No. 12 pick, he moved into the top three to get one of the best pass-rushers in the draft, Dion Jordan of Oregon. Ireland drafted at the key positions -- pass-rusher, cornerback and tackle. Jamar Taylor and Will Davis can play behind veterans as rookies and can be groomed to be potential starters at cornerback. Tackle remains a big question mark after Jake Long's departure, but at least the Dolphins drafted one -- Dallas Thomas -- in the third round. The Dolphins finished with nine draft choices, including multiple picks in rounds three, four and five. They will have a rookie pool estimated to be around $9.15 million. It's been a great offseason for the Dolphins. Now Joe Philbin has to put everything together to try to win.

Rob Rang at CBS gives Miami high marks
In the days leading up to the draft, there was a lot of buzz that Dolphins general manager Jeff Ireland might continue his aggressive offseason. He certainly did so, moving up to nab Jordan, a dynamic athlete to complement Cameron Wake. But shouldn't the No. 3 overall have more big plays? While I'm not nearly as high on Jordan, I did like the Dolphins' second- and third-day picks. Cornerbacks Jamar Taylor and Will Davis are more athletic than given credit for, and each plays with the physicality needed to be successful in the NFL. Dallas Thomas is quite possibly the most versatile offensive lineman in the draft and, ironically enough, considering he was the No. 77 overall pick, could take over for Jake Long (who wore No. 77) at left tackle. Of their third-day selections, I like Michigan State's Dion Sims and Florida's Mike Gillislee to surprise with key roles early in their respective careers. Grade: B-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmYpCJmL_F8

came across this.....the reaction in the stadium when Miami traded up to get Jordan