Title: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: CF DolFan on April 10, 2013, 09:40:29 am I think the last line kind of summed it up. "Selecting a fifth offensive lineman in the draft's first two-rounds since 2007 certainly isn't sexy, but Tannehill might not get to visit playmaker paradise without it."
I for one have never been happy about it but I could certainly see why it would be important now. I hope they are able to move up and get one. I would be less impressed if they went RG although Kiper had mentioned it as a possibility. Quote By Omar Kelly, Commentary 5:53 p.m. EDT, April 9, 2013 Close your eyes and follow me on this journey through the Dolphins playmakers paradise. Pro Bowl receiver Mike Wallace is going deep, using his 4.3 speed to take a cornerback and safety with him downfield. New Dolphins tight end Dustin Keller is running an option route down the right seam of the field, and uses his 4.4 speed to create separation from a linebacker. Envision Davone Bess, Brandon Gibson, Armon Binns, or a draft pick of your choice, running a drag route across the middle of the field. This fantasy should be an offensive utopia for Ryan Tannehill, the Dolphins starting quarterback, and Mike Sherman, the team's offensive coordinator. However, it could turn into a nightmare quickly if the Dolphins don't approach the 2013 draft properly. Open your eyes and pay attention to the defensive lineman about to level the Dolphins with a bone-crushing sack. Envision the pocket consistently collapsing. See what I see, which is now an offense filled with weapons, but one lacking a line that can adequately protect the quarterback. Take a good look at the Dolphins' offensive line that finished last season as the starters, the players who remain the front runners to start again in 2013 if the unit isn't upgraded in the draft. Jonathan Martin was one of the NFL's worst offensive tackles during his rookie season according to ProFootballFocus.com, which rated him 76th out of 80. And now he'll be protecting Tannehill's blindside fulltime. On the right side is Nate Garner, who has been respectable in a fill-in role as a tackle or guard, but in four years hasn't proven he's reliable enough for a starting role. Garner allowed one sack and a season-high six hurries in the season's final loss to New England. And then we've got everyone's favorite fat boy, John Jerry, who reported to training camp at 370-plus pounds last season. Jerry started all of last season at right guard, but describing his performance as "good" would be stretching the truth. Coach Joe Philbin, who worked his way up the coaching ranks as an offensive line coach in college and the NFL, is the first to admit Miami's offensive line presently isn't athletic enough to maximize the team's zone blocking concepts. The big question is, what will the Dolphins do about it moving forward? Fail to fortify the offensive line and everything General Manager Jeff Ireland has done this offseason to "provide Tannehill more toys" will be wasted because a quarterback can't thrown pretty passes without proper protection. The Dolphins offensive line isn't deep. The unit lacks top end talent with the exception of Mike Pouncey and 2012 Pro Bowler Richie Incognito. And few players fit the team's preferred scheme, which requires more athletic 300-pounders and less bulldozers like Incognito and Jerry. Still not concerned? Still prefer Miami select another playmaker in the first round? Fine, but answer this question. What happens to the offense if Martin isn't capable of blocking the league's premier pass rushers? And where does Miami go if Martin suffers a season ending injury in August? Keep in mind Jerry is the player on the roster who has played the second-most snaps at left tackle in an NFL game? That's right. A 350-pound underachiever is Miami's break-in-case of emergency blindside protector. And behind him is Will Yeatman, is a converted tight end. That is why the Dolphins must seriously consider using its first-round pick on Central Michigan's Eric Fisher, Texas A&M's Luke Joeckel, Oklahoma's Lane Johnson and North Carolina's Jonathan Cooper. Those four offensive linemen, which all fit Miami's scheme, are universally viewed as the elites of the 2013 draft class. It is likely that the Dolphins would need to trade away one of the team's two second-round picks to move ahead of fellow offensive line starved teams like Arizona (pick No. 7) and San Diego (pick No. 11) to take one of the three elite tackles. Waiting to take an offensive lineman in the second round could be a risky proposition considering there will likely be an early run on the offensive linemen. Selecting a fifth offensive lineman in the draft's first two-rounds since 2007 certainly isn't sexy, but Tannehill might not get to visit playmaker paradise without it. Copyright © 2013, South Florida Sun-Sentinel http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/fl-omar-kelly-dolphins-0410-20130409,0,6609761.story Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Landshark on April 10, 2013, 09:56:44 am I think the last line kind of summed it up. "Selecting a fifth offensive lineman in the draft's first two-rounds since 2007 certainly isn't sexy, but Tannehill might not get to visit playmaker paradise without it." I for one have never been happy about it but I could certainly see why it would be important now. I hope they are able to move up and get one. I would be less impressed if they went RG although Kiper had mentioned it as a possibility. And what made it important now? The previous regimes' failures. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: MikeO on April 10, 2013, 10:21:05 am Offensive Tackle is the biggest need on this team right now. Don't care who we added at WR and TE if we can't give our QB time this offense will be as bad as last year.
I would rather trade a 2nd round pick to KC for Albert, but if we don't do that then in Rd 1 we must trade UP to get one of the Top 3 tackles in this draft. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Dave Gray on April 10, 2013, 10:24:04 am I learned a long time ago that the trenches win games. WRs, TEs, RBs....those players are sexy, but you can "find" yardage from average skill position players. You can't cheat at the line. No amount of blocking scheme is going to make up for having better players. You have to put your resources to shore up the O-Line and D-Line is you want to win in this league. Then, you find diamonds in the rough for those other positions.
Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: CF DolFan on April 10, 2013, 10:27:41 am I would rather trade a 2nd round pick to KC for Albert, but if we don't do that then in Rd 1 we must trade UP to get one of the Top 3 tackles in this draft. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: el diablo on April 10, 2013, 10:35:27 am I'm just amazed. They don't need to trade up to get a top 3 tackle. Albert is ready for a trade. If they don't want to do that. There is a tackle that will be there in the 2nd rd. His name is Terron Farmstead from Arkansas-Pine Bluff. If you're not willing to pay a Pro Bowl tackle that was on your roster. If you're not willing to trade for a starting tackle. Then don't trade up and give up on other needs. Rhodes and Trufant are more valuable at 12, then one of those other tackles.
Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Dave Gray on April 10, 2013, 10:43:16 am I think that the unwillingness to sign Long came from his underachieving play, coupled with injury concerns. They just didn't want to drop that much money on that kind of risk. It wasn't necessarily an unwillingness to put big money towards that position.
I'm all for trading up, by the way. Move up, get the guy you want. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Cathal on April 10, 2013, 10:49:05 am Just no...... You find play makers, you don't keep drafting OTs with your first pick. You find guys in the later rounds for that. CB, WR, and pass rushers should be the focus, not linemen.
Don't the Giants and Patriots have linemen that were drafted late or were moved from one position to another and they've been pretty good. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Dave Gray on April 10, 2013, 11:35:40 am Pats offensive line:
LT - Nate Solder - First round pick of the Pats LG - Logan Mankins - First round pick of the Pats C - Ryan Wendell - Undrafted Free Agent (back and forth between practice squad) RG - Dan Connolly - Undrafted Free Agent (back and forth between practice squad) RG - Sebastian Vollmer - Second round pick of the Pats Giants Offensive Live: LT - Will Beatty - Second round pick of the Giants LG - Kevin Boothe - Sixth round pick of the Raiders C - David Baas - Second round pick of 49ers RG - Chris Snee - Second round pick of Giants RT - David Diehl - Fifth roung pick of Giants Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Spider-Dan on April 10, 2013, 11:43:15 am And what made it important now? The previous regimes' failures. Kind of hard to blame LT on "the previous regimes" when the current GM is the man who spent a #1 overall on a LT.Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Spider-Dan on April 10, 2013, 11:44:50 am That would be the best option for us because then it wouldn't cost us two picks. That would be awesome!! How much salary cap is one extra pick worth?If MIA trades for Albert, he's going to cost a lot more (in salary) than a rookie would. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Sunstroke on April 10, 2013, 12:08:27 pm As a 49ers fan...I know all about the value of a monster offensive line. I think a first round pick of Lane Johnson, Chance Warmack or Jonathan Cooper (in that order), while not sexy, would be the best thing this team could do to improve on offense and assist the development of their franchise QB. A good O-line makes "every" part of your offense better. I left Eric Fisher off the list above only because I think he goes top-5, and I think it would be too expensive for Miami to trade up to get him. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: MikeO on April 10, 2013, 01:56:03 pm How much salary cap is one extra pick worth? If MIA trades for Albert, he's going to cost a lot more (in salary) than a rookie would. But you are paying for a proven commodity. Not taking a chance on a rookie Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Landshark on April 10, 2013, 02:00:04 pm Kyle Long (Howie Long's son/Chris Long's brother) would be a good fit for this zone blocking scheme and is athletic enough to play both guard and tackle. And he can be had in the second round.
Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Dolphin-UK on April 10, 2013, 02:17:44 pm but you can "find" yardage from average skill position players. You can't cheat at the line. No amount of blocking scheme is going to make up for having better players. You have to put your resources to shore up the O-Line and D-Line is you want to win in this league. Then, you find diamonds in the rough for those other positions. This is a perfect explanation, if you can identify a weakness in OL you need to address it or all your other moves at skill positions are pointless. An O line upgrade offers a multiplier to those skill positions. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Spider-Dan on April 10, 2013, 04:36:17 pm You guys are all making powerful arguments as to why Ireland should spend a first-rounder on the OL every year.
So why do we hear so much complaining when he does it? Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: MikeO on April 10, 2013, 05:05:02 pm I only see a few people complaining. IF we had kept Long then no way do we use a first rounder on an o-linemen this year. With Long gone (which I didn't mind one bit) I have no problem drafting an o-linemen or even trading UP in Rd 1 for one since it is the biggest need on our team.
Some will say CB is the biggest need, but OT is bigger right now today since this is an offensive league with all the rules tilted towards the offense. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Dave Gray on April 10, 2013, 06:02:41 pm It's not my style to say which individual player should stay/go or who should be drafted. I'm not a scout, I'm not at practice, and I'm certainly not a doctor. So, while I like Long and would've liked to see him stay, I don't feel like I have enough info to determine whether or not he was worth his asking price, because 1) I don't know the price, 2) I don't know HOW hurt he was, and 3) I don't know what the team was asking him to do and how well he was able to do it. Once they decided that they weren't going to retain him, I just have to deal with that.
With the info that I have NOW, that we have no LT, I'm OK if you want to trade up to get one, regardless of what you did before. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: el diablo on April 10, 2013, 08:10:33 pm It's not my style to say which individual player should stay/go or who should be drafted. I'm not a scout, I'm not at practice, and I'm certainly not a doctor. So, while I like Long and would've liked to see him stay, I don't feel like I have enough info to determine whether or not he was worth his asking price, because 1) I don't know the price, 2) I don't know HOW hurt he was, and 3) I don't know what the team was asking him to do and how well he was able to do it. Once they decided that they weren't going to retain him, I just have to deal with that. With the info that I have NOW, that we have no LT, I'm OK if you want to trade up to get one, regardless of what you did before. Well said. Like everyone, we have to live with their decisions. My beef goes back to Martin. I never believed that was a replacement for Long. If they wanted to plug him in at LT, fine. They had options for RT in free agency. Chose not to go that route. The Albert trade is still a possibility. I'm hoping for it. At least Albert has played in the league. At the 12 position they have options for defense. Albert would cost more. But at least he's a vet, playing along side other vets. They could still get a guard later in the draft with Martin at RT. This way he still plays while developing, without pitting the franchise QB at risk of a blindside hit. But we'll see how this plays out. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Sunstroke on April 10, 2013, 09:16:00 pm I don't care about the money aspect so much. It's not my money, and as long as their bean counters make the beans balance properly, all is well. I like Brandon Albert for what he is...an excellent blindside pass protector (only 1 sack and 4 QB hits allowed in 13 games last year) who isn't much of a road grader in the running game. He's 28 years old, and has missed 7 games in his 5 year career, so I'm OK with his age and durability. If the price in draft pick compensation is reasonable...a 3rd rounder +, then I say "sure, go get him." If it's a second rounder...I may hesitate a little, because I think you can still get a pretty decent tackle in round two who would be younger and on a cheap rookie contract. I know that Miami definitely needs to add a tackle, either through trade, or in the first two rounds, because whoever they get needs to play immediately. If I could make a roster wish for Miami, I'd wish that they sign Albert, and use the #12 on Chance Warmack. I'd feel pretty good about Tannehill's safety (and the offense's chance of maximizing production) if I knew he was looking at (L-R) Albert-Incognito-Pouncey-Warmack-Martin up front. Yeah, that'd be pretty solid. Title: Re: Dolphins must make upgrading offensive line a priority in this draft Post by: Thundergod on April 10, 2013, 09:41:45 pm Just no...... You find play makers, you don't keep drafting OTs with your first pick. You find guys in the later rounds for that. CB, WR, and pass rushers should be the focus, not linemen. My thoughts exactly... |