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Wherever this guy goes trouble seems to follow. USC and now Seattle. Saw the stat today that since 2011 6 Seahwak players have tested positive for PED's

Now you might find it difficult to blame the coach for a player failing a drug test, but when 6 guys within 2 years all fail the same test and get suspended it seems like the "culture" around the team that has been created is just bad!! And it all starts with the coach in my opinion. If he isn't fixing this problem then he is just allowing it to continue

Really?  I saw the stat that since Pete Carroll arrived, SEA has won two playoff games.

Guess which stat Paul Allen cares about?

He should care about BOTH stats. And the failed drug test stat can and will destroy a franchise over time!!

I can't really put any of the PED blame on a head coach...unless that coach is specifically telling the players to use them, or handing them out in team meetings.

Pete is the reason for global warming!!!

One or two guys fail for PED's, you don't blame the coach. When you got 6 players on the same team over a couple year time span the coach needs to step in and put a stop to things. Pete hasn't.  He has created a culture where the players are running the place and that never ends well. Things seem to be out of hand up in Seattle. Just like things were out of control at USC. Common factor....Pete Carroll is the head coach. Some things never change.

Why would an owner care how many guys get caught for PEDs?  This is not a metric that the league holds teams accountable for.  If Carroll can still win with players on suspension, results are results.

All that Paul Allen needs to do is make sure Carroll's staff is not participating.  They can look the other way all day long and blame the union if someone asks why they didn't do more.

why would an owner care...because it is his team and is a reflection on him that's why!! A bunch of guys you are paying big money for are trying to cheat and getting caught and it seems to be a trend on his one specific team. Not exactly good PR for him, the city, or his franchise!

Why did Mike Brown care a while back when all the Bengals players were getting arrested? I mean why care, he's just the owner? ::)

Funny how Mike Brown's level of concern seemed to rise dramatically as the Bengals' record declined.

Owners care about winning and will happily look the other way with great determination unless they think the league will punish the team directly.  As long as Carroll's staff stays out of it and all the punishment falls on the players, Paul Allen (or any other owner) will not give a damn.

I disagree 100%. There is clearly a culture of drugs and cheating taking place in Seattle. No other team has this problem to the extent Seattle does. It is a reflection of the coach and the owner. If Paul Allen doesn't step in and take action then I am sure the league will be more than happy to step in and make some decisions for him!

How do you blast the Seahawks, but give Washington a pass with 7 suspensions during the same time period? By the way, the Giants & Broncos each had 4.

Who is giving anyone a pass? I'm not!! I'm just talking about Pete Carroll and how trouble seems to follow him everywhere. Whether its USC and now Seattle. Wherever Pete goes it seems like rules are always being broken.

You wanna talk about Washington, Giants, Broncos...let's. But I started this thread talking about Pete Carroll!!

And your dislike for Pete Carrol is well documented. But if the players get tested, know the penalties, still take PED's, then it falls on the players. These are grown men.

And the one team who has the most failed tests since 2011 also has a coach who broke damn near every rule in college. Let's see what is the constant....wherever Pete Carroll goes his players break the rules and are cheating. Yeah Pete is a boy scout!

Even the Seattle local media is coming down hard on Pete in the wake of the Irvin suspension.  At what point does it end with him!?

Probably at the point when the team stops winning... While I'd love to see Carroll out of the NFC West, I expect he'll last another 4-5 years. Pete and their GM, Schneider, have built a Super Bowl-contending squad that is young and cheap at key positions. That 4-5 year projection is what I see as Carroll/Schneider's window for winning a title with "this squad," and I think Paul Allen will let them ride it out.

We'll see how it plays out...

If the failed drug tests keep piling up this is gonna blow up from the inside out and that team will self destruct. Pete has given himself no room for error because of the quality (or lack there of) people he has hitched his wagon too.  They have brought in too many guys with character issues and off the field issues. It is a PED factory up there. A franchise that is out of control and we have seen this before, it never ends well. Those types of teams have a way of just self destructing over time.

Yes they did, but Mike Shanahan did no come to the NFL from a highly tainted college program. Both the Redskins and Seattle have a problem. These two teams account for around 30% of all league suspensions for banned substances in that time frame.

Let's not kid ourselves guys. The only probllem Seattle and Washington have over the rest of the league is the fact that their players are not smart enough to stay ahead of the drug testing curve. This is going on league wide across all sports. Maybe I'm jaded by the many PED scandals out there. The only thing I am really shocked about is how many guys they have getting caught.