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Four year deal according to my Bleacher Report

Well, there you go! I wonder who won the offset battle?

Miami probably won the battle.

Just glad he signed and its over with!

Edit: Just read Offset language is in the deal. But Dion will get his signing bonus money quickly and not deferred

I agree with MikeO.   I'm just glad he's signed and in camp in time for the first practice

Fins placed Jordan on the active/non-football injury list.

If he isn't moved off the list by the day of final cuts he will miss the first 6 regular season games.

injured? what a suprise. Good we signed him tho

The team knew about this injury.  Still, this is Ireland's make or break pick.  As the third overall pick, he'd better become the next Bruce Smith or it will look really bad on Ireland.

bruce smith? thats like top 5, DE of all time, lol... I'll be fine with a great player, or even just a one trick sack specialist pony. But HOF at 3rd overall is a stretch.

Bruce Smith?! So he only has to be the all time NFL leader in sacks,  a Top 3 DE in NFL history, and make the Hall of Fame or else he is a bust? Unreal!!   ::)

Some of you people live in a fantasy world

Bruce Smith is stretching it big time.  But my point is this:  When you're the #3 overall pick, you are expected to contribute right away, and at a high level.

Well I wouldn't expect much this year from Dion. He is going to come off the bench this season and be a situational player most likely. His snaps will be limited. I don't see him starting if everyone is healthy.

Not a good way to use your first round pick, especially #3 overall.  If it was a quarterback, I could understand, but a defensive end is a different story.

can he play a down before you insinuate he is a bust because he isn't starting from Day 1?

The Fins used this pick because long-term this kid can be a stud. He has size and speed you can't teach. Plus with Soliai or Starks gone after this year he will then be a starting DE for years to come. It's not like this year he is sitting behind scrub players.

You make it sound like if Miami didn't draft him at #3 he would have not been drafted. lol

My 2 cents. Being the 3rd pick doesn't mean that he has to be HOF worthy or like Bruce Smith. What it does mean is that he starts immediately and consistently makes solid plays. Not that he won't have his bad days, just that he clearly performs like an above average player starting this year.

You're missing the entire point.  I'm not insinuating he is a bust or will be one.  It's just my philosophy that your top pick should step in and contribute right away.  Defensive end is not a position you bring along slowly (like quarterback).  This kid needs all the snaps he can get and if the Dolphins aren't giving it to him, then  they shouldn't have traded up to get him.  

Cameron Wake.
Ryan Tannehill.

I get the point you are making and its laughable.

According to you a player can only contribute if they are a starter.  Being the first guy off the bench as a rookie means you suck? That's laughable on so many levels!

especially if your philosophy on the line is to rotate players

exactly!! And he is rotating in with great players like Wake, Soliai, Starks, Odrick..

Dion Jordan may be hurt. Got pulled after only 7 snaps in Friday nights game. Didn't practice Sunday. And he is putting up some odd tweets being vague about something going on with him.

Wonder if its a serious injury. Guess we will find out this week.

We should wait until at least halftime of week 1 before we declare Jordan a bust.

Thing with first round rookies is before the pre-season is over they are either declared a bust or already deserving of a bust in canton. 

ha ha ha!!

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No one is missing the point.  Your point is ridiculous.

What would him being hurt have to do with him being a bust? He's only a bust if he doesn't play well.

Edited to add.  My BR team stream is reporting that the shoulder injury Jordan had surgery for is flaring up again. That's why he isn't practicing

Who is talking about him being hurt?  You stated:

You are stating that if he doesn't step in and play every down and make an impact from game 1, he is automatically a bust.  You stated that clearly.

The ridiculous part of it is that you aren't considering the scheme, the depth on the d-line, and the fact that he is injured.  So all of those things would cause you to label him a "bust" before he evens plays 1 down.

Ridiculous. ::)

While declaring him a bust, if he doesn't start game 1, is nuts.

However, if you trade up to the #3 spot you should be drafting someone who will have a significant immediate  impact on the team.  If not there probably was a better use for the pick (or in this case 2 picks)

^^ No argument, however, it doesn't make him a bust.  It makes him a bust if, 2 years from now, he hasn't stepped on the field.  It makes him a bust if he never overcomes his injury issues and plays 2-3 games in the next 2 years.

However, I believe that in reality Jordan will share field time with Vernon, Odrick, and Wake and play in obvious passing downs.  I think we might even see him standing up at OLB this season at times.

I think he is in a deep position and needs to make himself the starter, because Odrick is often injured and I think Jordan is probably a better end than Vernon right now.  And all of these guys are fighting for playing time across from Cam Wake. 

The D-line is probably the Dolphins' deepest position.  I think you will start seeing Ordick moving inside because Starks and/or Soliai will be gone next year.  Jordan makes that easier to do.

The Dolphins have "shut down" Dion Jordan

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/dolphins-blog/sfl-dolphins-shut-down-dion-jordan-trying-not-to-overload-him-20130812,0,5819307.story

If they franchise tagged Starks then don't start him Ireland should be fired on the spot. Seriously that would be idiotic beyond belief.

Starks and Soliai assuming both are healthy better both be starting.

A team that went 7-9 last year has holes, and significant ones at that. You don't use the first and second round draft pick to deepen a position.  

Him being injured is one thing.  Him not getting it is another.  From what I saw in the HOF Game, he clearly gets it.  Lets just hope this lingering shoulder problem goes away

They had no edge rusher last year to compliment Wake.  As a result,  Wake drew a lot of double teams.  Pass rusher is a premium position these days as the only real way to stop the pass is to nail the quarterback.

I never said they wouldn't start Starks and Soliai.  I figure they'll rotate Odrick in now and then to get him some inside experience, and see if he can hang in there.

Then his position is not a deep position. 

I agree.  They are deep on the interior but not the exterior unless Jordan and/or Vernon develops into a dominant pass rusher.

Are you kidding me?  there are 4 starting-calibur DE's on the team.  Last I saw you can only have 2 on the field at once.

There are now, but there wasn't last year.  Wake was Wake.  But Odrick was a defensive tackle playing defensive end, Jordan was in college, and Vernon/Shelby were not as developed.

^^ more backpedaling.  Your statement above wasn't referring to last season.

Actually yes it was considering it came from all this:

Apparently Jordon re-tweaked his shoulder against the Jags. It could be much later in the season until we actually see him at full strength. 

Without weighing into the debate on of how crowded DE is my view is the third overall pick of the draft should be starting week 1.

If you already had 3 quality DEs on the team it is foolish to use the 1st and 2nd round picks to get another.  There are other needs to be addressed.  Or if he is such an improvement over a bunch of bum DEs than he should have no problem starting.  Either way the third pick overall should have an immediate impact on the team or he should have fallen in the draft. 

Bingo.  This is my point all along.

actually No, this was your original point which was laughable

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