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I am seeing a very good QB in the making. 

Two road games to start the season.  591 yards, completing 65.3% of his passes.  A QB rating of 94.2 Eight passes of over 20 yards.  I also saw him eat the ball a couple times and take some smart sacks yesterday.  With the exception of the fumble (which I still don't agree with the call, his arm was moving forward), he took care of the ball.  One pick in two games.

We are seeing a very good progression in our young QB.  Perfect?  Of course not.  Very good growth from our second year QB, better play than we've seen out of this position in a long time?  In my opinion, yes.

I'm very excited about our future with Ryan.

I will go on the record that I did not want him when that drafte rolled around. When it became apparent he was going to be the choice I had to accept it. I am happy to say that I am eating my words and that his progression has been very good. I really like what I am seeing.

I couldn't agree more Maine. The kid is fearless the way he stands in the pocket and doesn't ever get happy feet. He has a Big arm and the accuracy has improved over last year. Smart decisions and is protecting the football.

He will still make some mistakes this year no doubt, but this kid is progressing very well and only getting better. The drive right before the half to get the Fins into field goal range was picture perfect and what you want out of your franchise QB.

I expected to see more Ryan Tannehill from last year, which was better than I expected.  I never expected this.  He has taken a huge step forward as a leader of this team and has impressed me greatly with his play.  Smart throws, smart play, protect the ball.  Good for him.

He deserves the credit he is getting.  He has looked VERY good this season so far.

What I am really happy about is that it doesn't appear to have that plateau yet.  Last year, he had some rookie bumps, but looked pretty OK.  We've seen some of that before with other QBs, too.  However, they weren't able to continue getting better.  The Tannehill we've seen in the first 2 games of this season is better than the one from last year, and that's what makes me excited.

I gotta agree with the consensus here.  What we are seeing is the germanation of a marquee quarterback.  However, the future still looks better than the present

I feel like he has made some throws that we haven't seen since Dan Marino. Definitely not sayng that he is Dan Marino but they are much better than the "game manager" throws we have come to expect.

I was impressed with his ability to find the pocket and to step again (again seeing bits of Marino).  He didn't panic, but adjusted with the pocket to make some nice throws.

As good a Dan Marino = very high bar.

Better than any QB the Dolphins have had since Dan = extremely low bar.

Well it would be very nice to say he is a good as Marino but that list is extremely short. I'll have to settle for better than any of our previous 16 guys for now and just appreciate that for a while.

He made some ridiculous passes. Like the up and over fade route up the seems between the corner and the safety to Hartline was a PERFECT throw. He was money all day. It's been consistent since last year

I like his confidence. He never looks rattled back there, and seems to be developing a really nice pocket presence. I think Miami finally got themselves a winner again at QB.

Now, can they please-please-please get Tannehill some O-line upgrades ASAP?

Would it be fair to say that Tannehill looks as good as Good Jay Fiedler (and not Bad Jay)?

Good Jay never had the arm strength to make the throws.  At the best, he was a 75-80 rating guy. 

Ryan has made me realize how ridiculous QB rating is. Tanny doesn't throw a ton of TD's, but his team scores them. Wallace was down at the 1 after a pass. So, 3 more feet and it's a Tanny TD. He didn't make it, so it's a Clay TD. This is why his TD-INT ratio last year was not good, but all of the sabermetric football stats showed him as being a good QB, even better than Flacco.

There is no way Jay could make the throws that Tannehill does. Good Jay was a great game manager while Tannehill is a legitimate QB.

Easy there, I know everyone hates him but Jay was probably the best QB we've had since Marino.  Good Jay was quite good. 

That said, I agree that Tannehill, so far, has looked just as good or better.  The difference is in Jay's longball vs. Ryan's longball.  Plus Jay could never throw the outs and sideline comebacks without getting them picked.  Ryan does it routinely.

Is this an example of good Jay?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8vQDgCZVYEE

it was the jerseys man! the jerseys looked so ridiculously fressshhh

To be honest, I kinda think Tannehill sucked last year.  Not to be a downer, but he is no further than any other 1st round QB should be in year two.

Again, I am not trying to be negative, I am just trying to stay objective.  On a more positive note, I don't see a bust!

I know you were Jay's one fan on here but are you really trying to say Tannehill has only looked "just as good" as Fiedler?  I'm confused because then you post two things Jay couldn't do that Tannehill does ... and they are not the only things he is better at.

Jay was tough and did what he could do but he was very limited. Jay had some great teams to work with.  For that matter I think Pennington did more with less and I'd take Tanehill over Pennington without any thought.

No metric is perfect.  QBR does better than any single measure (yards, % complete, etc.) in rating QBs.  IMO, its biggest flaw is it should count QB fumbles the same way as ints.   

CF, did you miss the word bolded below, or just ignore them on purpose?

With 10+ years of hindsight, Good Jay was pretty good.  Won some key games for the Dolphins, particularly in '00 and '01 when he had a pretty horrible supporting cast.  When you look back, Fiedler's '00 and '01 offense was pretty damn close to what Miami fielded last year... and Fiedler got a division title, two playoff appearances, and a playoff win out of that.

Not to mention that the 2002 Dolphins missed the playoffs because he was hurt for a good portion of the season

Spider ... you have some foggy memory there. We had a very good defense thanks to Jimmy.

2000 Lamar Smith 1,300 yard rusher,  (Fiedler 14 TD and 14 INTs)
2001 OJ McDuffie, Oronde Gadsdon, Chris Chambers as W/R and Lamar Smith was pretty much a 1000 yard rusher (Fiedler 20TS 19 INTs)
2002 In 2002 we added a 1800 yard rusher that didn't seem to help him

His playoff win was due To Lamar Smith's NFL record breaking career game and a missed FG by the Colts. I'm sure you remember

MIAMI (AP) -- Lamar Smith carried the ball an NFL-record 40 times. He carried cornerback Jeff Burris into the end zone for the winning score in overtime.

And when jubilant Miami head coach Dave Wannstedt jumped on his back as they headed for the locker room, Smith carried him, too.

Smith rushed for 209 yards, including a 17-yard touchdown run in overtime, and the resilient Dolphins rallied past the Indianapolis Colts 23-17 in an AFC wild-card playoff game Saturday.

"Everyone got their money's worth," Wannstedt said.

Jay Fiedler overcame three first-half interceptions to lead a comeback from a 14-point deficit in the second half, and Miami tied the game in the final minute of regulation.

The game plan with Fiedler was always ... "don't do anything to lose the game" and as was the case throughout Jay's career with the Dolphins ... the won in spite of him and definitely not because of him.

My foggy memory has Lamar Smith with 1139 yards on the season, not "1300."

The 2000 Dolphins: 1627 rush yards (outside of Fiedler)
The 2001 Dolphins: 1343 rush yards (outside of Fiedler)
The 2012 Dolphins: 1591 rush yards (outside of Tannehill)

In 2000, I don't think Oronde Gadsden, Leslie Shepherd, and the ghosts of OJ McDuffie and Tony Martin (with the inimitable Hunter Goodwin at TE) were a better group of targets than Hartline/Bess/Fasano/Clay/Bush.  In 2001, Gadsden + James McKnight and a rookie Chris Chambers (who started less than half of the games) wasn't much of an upgrade, particularly when you consider the dramatic dropoff in rushing effectiveness.

Now, as for defenses:

2000: #3 in points, #6 in yards
2001: #11 in points, #5 in yards
2012: #7 in points, #21 in yards

So while the 2000 team clearly had the best defense (and was the only team to win the division and a playoff game), the 2001 team had the worst rushing attack by far and the defense (compared to 2012) was better in yards but worse in points.  Yet that 2001 team still won 11 games and made the playoffs.

As far as 2002 goes, the 1800 yard rusher did not do much to keep Jay Fiedler from getting injured, nor did it seem to help Fiedler prevent Ray Lucas from being the worst Dolphin QB of all time.  Fiedler was 7-3 as a starter that year.

Tannehill has a right shoulder injury. He was limited in practice today

They're calling it a shoulder "issue", not injury. The difference is often minor-to-non-existent of course, but the point is that it's apparently "just" soreness.