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...if he isn't on his back more than a $20 whore.

Our O-line is going to get this kid killed.  Watched the game with three Pats fans today.  I started to say things like "he is holding the ball too long."  Even they said "are you nuts?  No one could get rid of that quick, your line sucks hair bag sacks."

I have to agree.

Pouncy is the only player on the o-line worth a damn. Incognito manages to hold his own most of the time, but Martin isn't left tackle material and John Jerry is still John Jerry. Clabo is... garbage. He'll do reasonably well for a play or two and make you think he can play, but then he'll suck it the rest of the game. He's just not even remotely starter material.

Props to our running backs for actually making a couple of blocks today. Don't think they had a hand in any of the sacks.

I agree with you Maine.  Yes, our O-line sucks but Tannehill doesn't do himself or the team any favors.  He stares receivers down and doesn't seem to get the ball out in a reasonable amount of time. 

agree with this nonsense that some of the sacks are Tannehill's fault, that is becoming silly. Maybe 1 or 2, in the first 5 games ok. But to expect him to just throw it away when he has zero time and sometimes less than zero time is silly. It is easier said than done to say....he needs to just throw it away.

I am very happy with Tannehill's play. He is a 2nd year guy with pretty much all new receivers and he is playing very well. He is far from perfect, but he also leads the NFL in sacks because of our O-Line. He can get rid of the ball quicker sometimes, but if he does it will just be incomplete. He holds onto the ball because no one is open.

We just have to call for more bootlegs and shotgun formations. Look at our rushing stats if you want to see where to place the blame.

If you can't block, you can't win. Its that simple. Richmond Webb, Keith Sims, Jake Long, Dwight Stevenson, & Larry Little are not walking through that door. Personnel wise, they have what they have for this season. So either these people learn how to block as a unit, or expect more of the same.

Well I know Jake Long isn't because we kicked his sorry ass out the door  :D (just messin with ya but your post is spot on)

I'd personally like to see Tannehill avoid the rush by staying mobile.  He tends to sit in the pocket until the rush gets to him and then duck and protect the ball. 

Which is OK - we don't need him fumbling it away.

But, I've seen opportunities for him to step up or take a step to the side and have more time.  Or heaven forbid he should scramble for a few yards.  I am sick of seeing him curl up into the fetal position the moment a defender gets within 3 feet of him.

It will be incredibly ironic if the epitaph for Jeff Ireland reads, "He didn't invest enough in the offensive line."

I'm not sure how Brandon Albert and Lane Johnson are doing so far, but the decision to get neither of them is looming pretty large right now.  Particularly since Jamar Taylor (the player Miami selected with the pick KC wanted for Albert) has yet to see the field.

This isn't to say that Dion Jordan has been bad, and maybe he has offset some of the impact of Wake's injury.  But at the end of the day, Miami needs to fix the OL or it will cost Ireland his job.

Jamar Taylor was on the field a lot yesterday.

However, reports are that Lane Johnson has been getting mauled, despite being a top OL this draft class.  Can't say much for Albert, though, as I haven't watched.

^^^^^^

More like he invested in the offensive line in a derelict manner

Johnson has been bad, plus he is playing right tackle not left. Jockel in Jax also playing right tackle was injured off and on and wasn't playing great before the latest injury and now is out for the entire season. He was a disappointing early in the season. Fisher has also been injured and not playing well and also playing on the right side and not left tackle. All 3 of the tackles have had a rough go early in their careers and none are playing LT

Miami might have been right to avoid them all even with our bad o-line and go with Jordan who is getting better each week. Miami messed up by NOT making the Brandon Albert trade. Huge mistake by Ireland. 

Apparently Greg Cote in the Miami Herald feels the same way you do. 

http://www.miamiherald.com/2013/10/08/3676439/greg-cote-fins-flaw-was-evident.html

If this line continues to allow Tanny to get his and it costs this team a winning season/playoff spot, it's a safe bet that Ireland's out the door.

^^disagree. If they haven't fired Ireland yet (and this summer they actually gave him a 1 year extension)....a bad o-line won't get him fired. Ireland is made of teflon!!!

Will take more than a poor o-line to get him fired. Ross obviously loves the man.

^^ Agree with Mike here.  You and your cronies are looking for a reason to fire him.  You can't overlook 8 good moves and cite one bad move to fire him. 

While not addressing the o-line constitutes way more than one move I don't see them firing him either. Unfortunately we will suffer another year or two of him.

Miami has a lot of money to spend and are way under the cap. Keep Pouncey and Martin. And he will just buy a couple o-linemen in free agency next year. Draft one early. And address it that way.

The only players we have to re-sign are Grimes and Soliai so we will have money to spend. I think Starks might be let go to use that money to bring in an o-linmen.

This is the part I don't agree with. 

If you're looking for a GM that hits on 100% of his moves, then you'll always be disappointed.  All GM's miss here and there.  You want one that hits more than he misses, and I think Ireland has done that the past 2 years.  NOT trading for a guy is not as bad of a miss as trading for a guy that doesn't work out.

I agree. Look, no GM bats a thousand. As long as a GM hits on a QB (the most important position), and after that has more hits than misses everywhere else, that's all you can ask for really. Look, we should have traded for Brandon Albert at the draft, that was a mistake. BUT, I do agree that not trading for a guy is not as bad a miss as trading for a guy that doesn't work out or giving a FA a "bad contract." Good GM's and good franchises these days for the most part won't give out "bad contracts"...they would rather let a player walk and figure out how to fix a problem on the team without said player than give a guy a deal that ties their hands moving forward.  New England has let lots of so called "star players" walk, GB has, Pittsburgh has....they would rather lose a guy than give out a bad contract.  A bad contract is a death nail for a franchise long-term. For all the money Ireland/Miami spent this year, he gave out no bad/crazy deals and Miami still has $20+ mill in cap space for next year. He has this franchise set up nicely cap wise and really offensive line is the only glaring need. Sure a better player at this spot or that spot would be nice. But the o-line is the main thing left. Aside from Grimes and Soliai/Starks...the defense is young and locked up in long-term deal. That's good! On offense the WR's are locked up, the QB is locked up, Miller is locked up...aside from locking up Clay and getting a 2nd RB to compliment Miller (cause Thomas is done in Miami)....its really just the o-line that needs to be addressed and then you start plugging a spot here or a spot there. But Miami's "core" to build around is almost all in place.  And we have the cap space to do it!

Once Philbin came they finally did "rebuilding" the right way! No more crazy contracts that tie up the cap! They didn't overpay for Jared Cook. They didn't overpay for Long. They didn't give an old injury prone RB a long-term deal...they are rebuilding it the right way! yes those players MIGHT and probably ARE upgrades over the current guys on this team at thos positions, but that's not how you build a winner. It's about finding the right guy at the right price at the right age! They had the money to do ALL of those things I mentioned above, but they didn't. Cause you can't give out bad contracts! It will kill a franchise.

Like in 2011 when Miami started 0-7 and had NO cap space and was maxed out on the cap. How does that happen where you totally suck and have no cap space, who are you paying? You get that way when you give out bad contracts. Now Miami stands 3-2, is beating solid teams and hanging in there with the defending champs in Baltimore, and still has $20 mill in cap space. No bad contracts!

I agree with this... I just wish we would have taken TY Hilton!  The money we'd saved on Wallace equals more cap space and you still got a guy that can stretch the field for far less money and much younger!

I guess you can tell I really liked Hilton! lol

Escaping from pressure by scrambling is easier when there is only 1 person applying pressure. The problem is that if you watch the games pressure is coming from ALL directions. You CANNOT scramble out of such protection issues as moving in one direction simply puts you into the path of the next oncoming rusher. I've seen very few opportunities for Tannehill to escape pressure by scrambling, in fact when there is that opportunity, he usually does.

Look this is all on the o-line this year. Can you point to a sack here or there where Tannehill should have gotten rid of it ...maybe. But the vast majority of these sacks are on the o-line/TE's not blocking anybody. We are already in the shotgun damn near every play aside from a rolling pocket every play (which limits the plays you can actually run) there isn't much you can do.

My idea is do what Indy did to us Week 2......go with a 6 man offensive line. Screw the fullback and add an o-linemen and play Clay at TE more.

^^ would be nice, but the problem is you pull Clay out of the pattern, if you leave a back in for max protect, then you only have 2 guys running routes and 8 guys trying to keep your QB upright.  Not sure how you can be successful that way...

gotta run the ball with success to open up play action. Not saying do it full time but throw it in as a wrinkle here and there

I agree with the rest of your argument, but not this part.  You need to be aggressive to win.  You shouldn't spend a ton of money or high picks on risky players, but to win you need to take risks particular ones with high upside, low downside. 

Look at the combo of these two trades by Belichick:  Randy Moss and Albert Haynesworth.  One was considered a brilliant trade, the other a bust.  But I am not disappointed with BB.  The only way to avoid busts like AH, is to shy away from trades like RM.  But if you think RM was worth a 4th and 5th pick, instead of just a 4th round pick, then in aggregate his trade approach is positive.   

Tanny boy needs to trust that Wallace can go get it and let the deep ball go! If Wallace can't get there no one else is getting there for sure! Just knowing your willing to go deep gives the defense something to worry about.   That will loosen up the defense and give Clay and the wr's some working room.   

I also agree we need to throw more screens to Miller/Thigpen and let them get out in space...  If the line can't hold blocks then throwing screens will take pressure off them and slow down the blitz.  The Saints did it to us to negate our pass rush... we need to do it to others!

Trust in Wallace will come when he stops dropping passes like he is Ted Ginn.

Trust has nothing to do with under throwing a receiver behind coverage!  >:( 

Tannehill will not be great. Yeah his o-line needs work a lot of work but he takes too many sacks and loses the ball too much. He has no pocket presence at all none. He never sees the pocket breaking down not to hard to hit a statue. No matter how big your arm is its no good if you can't hit your target in the big moments. Stop making excuses for him the o-line is what it is deal with it. Tannehill wont lead this team to any kind of championship he's at best a good backup. I watched him in college and he was then and is now a turnover waiting to happen. Tannehill will not be great! Just sayin :'(

I disagree. If he didn't stand in the pocket then we wouldn't have three wins. Give him time and then start criticizing him. As it is if he doesn't take one for the team he'd never get a significant throw off. 

Agree. People wanting to bail on a 2nd year QB in October of Year 2 is crazy talk!!! And most of the people whining like little bitches only picked Miami to win 8 or 9 games for the whole year. It's just silly on every level

You went from my least favorite poster when you first got here to one of my favorites.  This whole sky is falling shit is getting old huh.

thanks ....(i think  ;))

Look this game was Miami playing against the refs too