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Title: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: dolphins4life on October 20, 2013, 04:11:20 pm
The defense for being absolutely atrocious on third down

The line for horrible blocking at critical times.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: DZA on October 20, 2013, 04:15:12 pm
Offense line once again. Tanny takes a shot results in a fumble . Buffalo scores. Wow.

Im sick of this bullshit


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: CF DolFan on October 20, 2013, 04:56:17 pm
This was a horrible game for Tannehill yet if it went for him we would never be in the game. I say him although I do believe our offensive line is the worst I've ever seen on a professional team. They are much worse than I had imagined and knew they were bad.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: MikeO on October 20, 2013, 04:59:22 pm
Mike Sherman all the way.. Have a lead with under 3 min left on the plus side of the 50. All he had to do was run the ball, use clock, force Buffalo to use timeouts on defense....then punt! And considering Miami had 120 or so yards rushing they would have probably gotten a first down anyway. But even if they punt Miami probably wins. Buffalo's offense did little to nothing all day


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: mecadonzilla on October 20, 2013, 05:05:18 pm
Lots of blame to go around on this one, but Tannehill was awful today.  I'd blame the line, but he was terrible even when they were blocking.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Tenshot13 on October 20, 2013, 05:07:51 pm
O line again.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 20, 2013, 06:07:55 pm
Tannehill had a bad start to the game, but did everything right after that. There was no way he could have avoided the two sacks (the last of which cost the game). Those were 100% Tyson Clabo.

Anyone giving the SotG to anyone but Clabo was reading stat lines and not watching the game.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Landshark on October 20, 2013, 06:34:32 pm
Shame goes to the offensive line again


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: EKnight on October 20, 2013, 07:05:38 pm
The sacks didn't cost anyone the game. Handing the other team 6 points on the opening drive INT is what cost them. -EK


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: CF DolFan on October 20, 2013, 07:42:05 pm
The sacks didn't cost anyone the game. Handing the other team 6 points on the opening drive INT is what cost them. -EK
The first pick was directly because he had someone in his face almost immediately. Even when he wasn't getting sacked he was being pressured. That's why we had so many times our offense was pathetic.

Our o-line is horrible and doesn't deserve any defense.





Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: MikeO on October 20, 2013, 10:11:59 pm


Anyone giving the SotG to anyone but Clabo was reading stat lines and not watching the game.

100% agree. Mike Sherman and Clabo are the 2 people that lost this game.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Spider-Dan on October 20, 2013, 10:49:58 pm
The sacks didn't cost anyone the game. Handing the other team 6 points on the opening drive INT is what cost them. -EK
"Guys, Tannehill is really bad and a bust!  Please agree!"


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: MikeO on October 20, 2013, 10:53:00 pm
"Guys, Tannehill is really bad and a bust!  Please agree!"

ha ha ha....maybe if we just say it, act like we mean it.... he will finally leave the site!! If that's all it takes I'm in! lol


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 21, 2013, 08:02:21 am
The sacks didn't cost anyone the game. Handing the other team 6 points on the opening drive INT is what cost them. -EK

Blaming something that happened on the opening drive is MORONIC when the Dolphins were in the lead in the second half. Had the opening drive been different, the whole game would have been different.

What lost the game, clearly, was the strip-sack courtesy of Tyson the Turnstile Clabo.

Could the Dolphins have completely dominated the game; the defense pitching a shutout and the offense scoring 50+ points, making any late-game strip-sack a non-issue? Sure, but that argument is just dumb.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2013, 09:17:17 am

Anyone giving the SotG to anyone but Clabo was reading stat lines and not watching the game.

Tannehill and here is my reasoning. One of his two glaring mistakes directly led to putting points on the board for Buffalo and the other likely took points off the board for Miami. In a close game like this that hurts bad.

Clabo does get my honorable mention though because his two glaring mistakes could not have come at worse times.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 21, 2013, 10:44:43 am
Tannehill and here is my reasoning. One of his two glaring mistakes directly led to putting points on the board for Buffalo and the other likely took points off the board for Miami. In a close game like this that hurts bad.

Those two interceptions clearly helped shape the game, but we're still talking about mistakes in the FIRST quarter of a game that the Dolphins lead from early in the 3rd until the Clabo Clown pied himself.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2013, 11:01:27 am
Timing doesn't matter when we are discussing points as far as I am concerned. Those mistakes directly created up to a 14 point swing in a game where the final score was determined by two points. The argument is six one way half a dozen the other at that point (the points don't matter if Clabo doesn't mess up or Clabo's mess up doesn't matter if we had those points). I understand the Clabo vote and he was initially mine until I started thinking about where the points directly were reflected.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Dave Gray on October 21, 2013, 11:20:41 am
I'm on the fence because there is so much to go around...so many huge mistakes.

But I think I have to give it to Tannehill.  He deserves great credit for keeping it together and getting us out of the hole, but it's a hole that he created in a game that should've never even been close.

It's not just that he had 3 turnovers. (2 really, that directly attribute to him).   But those 2 specifically were terrible decisions all on him and they happened to lead directly to a swing in points.  7 points on the INT and another in the red-zone where you're definitely giving up at least 3 points.

The fact that he played well otherwise speaks well to the future, but didn't help with today.

I'd also like to mention special teams.  Two pretty big errors: Sturgis miss -- yes, it was 51, but makeable and had distance to go 0-1, a STUPID STUPID illegal touching call on a great roll on a punt, and Fields shanking a punt to give away field position.

The line's mistakes were costly because of timing, but they only gave up 2 sacks and generally Tannehill had better time to get things done.

And the defense did give up on 3rd and longs consistently, because of poor tackling and such, but overall, their points allowed and yardage given up were respectable.

It's just gotta go to Tannehill, unfortunately.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Doc-phin on October 21, 2013, 01:14:01 pm
100% to Tannehill who absolutely stunk up the joint. 

He consistantly underthrew balls, and I am aware that back shoulder passes often look underthrown but he made catching the ball nearly impossible.  Then he manages to overthrow Hartline on a guarenteed TD at the end. 

The pick 6 alone is enough to be a candidate for SOTG.

He fumbled the ball in a situation where taking a knee would have probably won the game.  In essence, he single handedly lost the game with that fumble.  Tannehill has damn near zero peripheral vision or pocket awareness.

Did anyone notice the way he ran directly into the nose tackle with no other defenders around on the QB draw?  The nose tackel literally stood there and waited for Tannehill to run into him instead of letting Incognito re-engage his block.  Moron.

This is the second week in a row he stunk up the final posession.  He couldn't find a way to get 15 yards in nearly 40 seconds.

Look, I am not saying it is all Tannehill's fault but put the blame where it is due.  He gave that game away with the pick 6 and fumble.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: CF DolFan on October 21, 2013, 03:38:06 pm
Then he manages to overthrow Hartline on a guarenteed TD at the end. 
This actually made me laugh out loud.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2013, 03:55:43 pm
That was not an easy throw since he was on the move, but Hartline was wide open. I'll admit I just about jumped out of my seat until I realized it wasn't going to connect.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on October 21, 2013, 04:19:27 pm
I'll admit I just about jumped out of my seat until I realized it wasn't going to connect.

As did I. I thought they were about to pull it out of their ass.....


This game is on Tannehill. Yeah the O-line sucks and Sherman's play calling was terrible. Ryan accounted for 3 turnovers period. 1 for a (Matt Shaub) pick 6 that put us in the hole and another in our endzone which kept us from getting any points on that drive. The last he fumbles in a critical point in the game with good field position for the Bills. And as we all knew deep down inside that Carpenter would come back to beat us and he did. He had some really great points yesterday as well but without those 3 very costly mistakes the Phins win that game!!!!!


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: stealth3ltt on October 21, 2013, 04:56:07 pm
How do you guys forget about the 3 passing touchdowns.     Remember Miami was ahead 21-20.   After all of the hits tanny took yesterday, all year .  Miami was in a position to WIN.  Had turnstyle clabo actually done his job this would not be a discussion.   At worst Miami would have punted and make buffalo go the distance of the field with the game on the line with a 3rd string qb, who was not lighting up the scoreboard all day.   Clabo deserves this loss on his shoulders alone.    Tanny's pick six by that point was nullified because Miami was ahead.     

Otherwise you might as well blame Sturgis because he missed a fg and we lost by 2.   (sounds crazy doesn't it?).     Watch the game.  The turning point was the sack,strip,fumble courtesy of clabo.   


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 21, 2013, 04:57:03 pm
That was not an easy throw since he was on the move, but Hartline was wide open. I'll admit I just about jumped out of my seat until I realized it wasn't going to connect.

WTF??

Some of you guys are smoking something... Give Ricky back his stash and then go back and look at the timing of when Tannehill releases and what Hartline is doing (use the all-22 if you have NFL Game Rewind). Hartline isn't running full speed. He changes directions and contacts the defender trying to get separation. Had he gotten free and just run, Tannehill's pass would have been just fine. On a long bomb like that, there's absolutely no way for the quarterback to know what moves the receiver will have to make to break free. Unless the receiver gets free very early, it's a complete crap shoot with regards to the timing.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 21, 2013, 04:58:22 pm
The last he fumbles in a critical point in the game with good field position for the Bills.

Putting that on Tannehill is beyond ridiculous.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2013, 05:00:34 pm
WTF??

Some of you guys are smoking something... Give Ricky back his stash and then go back and look at the timing of when Tannehill releases and what Hartline is doing (use the all-22 if you have NFL Game Rewind). Hartline isn't running full speed. He changes directions and contacts the defender trying to get separation. Had he gotten free and just run, Tannehill's pass would have been just fine. On a long bomb like that, there's absolutely no way for the quarterback to know what moves the receiver will have to make to break free. Unless the receiver gets free very early, it's a complete crap shoot with regards to the timing.

I think I said it wasn't an easy throw. Maybe you should have something to smoke because you seem to not comprehend what I said while you are in a sober state. I did not make mention of anything about timing or blame at all. All I said was the guy was wide open (which he was at the point he was on the TV screen).

If you wanted to quote someone who put blame on that throw you should have looked elsewhere. I blame Tanny for a couple other ones but not this one.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: AZ Fins Fan 55 on October 21, 2013, 05:03:21 pm
Putting that on Tannehill is beyond ridiculous.


I was pointing out facts.....he turned the ball over 3 times yesterday....that lead us to a loss. I am not saying he is totally at fault for the fumble he got rocked but he did in fact turn the ball over 3 times.


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: fyo on October 21, 2013, 05:06:49 pm
All I said was the guy was wide open (which he was at the point he was on the TV screen).

Hartline wasn't "wide open" (or, indeed, open at all) when Tannehill released. If Hartline had suddenly decided to run backwards, he would have been "wide open" as well (and the ball would have been even further from him).


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Phishfan on October 21, 2013, 05:10:07 pm
So you still want to use me as an arguing point on something I'm not placing blame on?


Title: Re: Shame of the Game - Bills
Post by: Doc-phin on October 22, 2013, 10:07:11 am
Hartline wasn't "wide open" (or, indeed, open at all) when Tannehill released. If Hartline had suddenly decided to run backwards, he would have been "wide open" as well (and the ball would have been even further from him).

Your right.  Hartline AND Gibson were both WIDE OPEN.  (I think it was Gibson)

Seriously though, there was another receiver very close that absolutely was open before the release.  I think it was Gibson.