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Not sure what they gave up to the Ravens to get him.  Hopefully he performs better than Turnstile Clabo

Ah you beat me to it!  Just heard it on WQAM.

These guys on WQAM don't think they move Martin back to RT and McKinnie to LT.  They think McKinnie goes to RT to replace Clabo.

isn't he out of shape ?

can't be worse than what we have in Clabo. Guessing this move means Martin back to RT and McKinnie in at LT. But that is off the top of my head and I don't know that for a fact

They looked at him this summer and the big knock against getting him was that he was not conditioned, self-disciplined and being in South Beach would not help this.  Plus, don't know he fits Philbin's "guy", but they're strapped right now to fix this glaring problem.

Wouldn't be something if he came in and was solid at Tackle?

Once Baltimore traded for Eugene Monroe they had no need for McKinnie. Not so much out of shape they just went younger and got a guy who was better.

I don't think they'll move Martin.  I think McKinnie gets pressed into service on the right side.  We will see though.

I hope they don't move Martin, but McKinnie has never played the right side.  I imagine, that would be the best way to do it, but Martin's development on the left side may be hampered.

Either way, its nice to see the team doing SOMETHING to address the glaring problem.  I can't imagine what happened to Clabo.  He was so good last season...

I haven't seen anywhere what they gave Baltimore for him, but its probably a low-round draft pick.  McKinnie has been inactive the past 2 games, so the asking price couldn't have been that high.

^^ Guessing it was a low round pick as well

Also think this is an 8 week fix and he will be cut at seasons end and they will just eat any dead money if there is any. They have enough cap space to do it

I would guess McKinnie plays the left side but that's just my guess.

To make a roster spot for McKinnie I wouldn't be shocked if they did in fact cut Clabo!

Ravens saying it is a conditional low round pick.  As expected

https://twitter.com/Ravens/status/392366410887729152

I don't think this is anything more than a band-aid.  I don't have high expectations for McKinnie, and I expect he will also play the left side.  Just don't get Tannehill killed and it is already better.

Just watched the interview Clabo gave at his locker yesterday.  I kinda feel for the guy, though he's been bad this year.  He looked really distraught talking, but he did his best to answer questions.

^^^^ just because they are not top players doesn't mean they are bad people.  The way some people talk you would think they were purposely bad.

Lot's of talk on the radio this morning about Ireland's poor job with this team. 90 million and still a marginal team. I wonder if he is feeling the heat again.

People always want to blame Ireland.  No one ever praises him for doing something well. 

Clabo ranked out as a top tackle last season.  Ireland did the right thing to go get him.  Because he is underperforming is not Ireland's fault.

I hope he is.  I lost all respect for Ireland when he made those comments to Dez Bryant.  His performance overall has been average at best.  He needs to go.

He is 100% responsible for the talent on this team ... or lack thereof.

If we had Andrew Luck but were still 6-10 after all the years he has been "ordering the groceries" then celebrating Andrew Luck would be pretty silly.

That's how I feel. Besides the Dez Bryant issue, there's something else that bugs me. Getting rid of talent without a plan to replace that talent. It was the receivers & DB's that suffered last year. The O Line this year.

^^^ I hate this statement. It is too black and white. They had a plan but it did not work. As mentioned already, Clabo was brought it as a top ranked tackle. In preseason I bet people were jumping on it as a great move (I'd have to look back) but just because a plan does not work, people say there was no plan.  ???

Well if McKinnie shows up in somewhat decent condition, puts in some effort (as opposed to just picking up a paycheck), and stays out of the nightclubs...this could be a god thing.  I'm on the play McKinnie at left tackle bandwagon.

I don't know where this "top ranked tackle" comment comes from.  The guy bounced around as a practice squad guy for a couple teams, then had a good year with the Falcons in 2010, and was rewarded with a 5 year contract in 2011.  Then two years later they released him.  Nothing about him says "top ranked" in my book.

It comes from his ranking last season as evidenced here.

5th best right tackle in the league last year.  FIFTH BEST, and we went out and got him.

That WAS the plan to replace Jake Long, who, by the way, gave Miami NO CHANCE to re-sign him (admitted by Jake, after he signed with the Rams).  Jake had NO interest in re-signing with the Dolphins, unless they made it worth his while financially.

Its not ALWAYS Ireland's fault.

And LandShark, you need to get over the Dez Bryant thing.  Really, to still be up his ass about that all these years later is ridiculous.  You are the exact example of why Ireland can never be well-perceived.

If I made those comments to one of my students, I would be fired and I would have a difficult time finding another teaching job.  If a hiring manager said that to me, they would be fired and I'd have grounds for a lawsuit.  Jeff Ireland is a classless, mediocre GM.  Plain and simple

When you volunteer that your dad was a pimp and your mom worked for your dad, the question logically follows.

You have to be professional enough not to ask inappropriate questions like that.

Again, it wasn't Ireland that steered the discussion into the prostitution industry.

You are taking it too seriously.  You're being absurd.  You think he meant it as an insult?  "haha your mom is a hooker!"

Don't be ridiculous.  You're just using it as random fodder to fuel your unfounded hatred.

Martin today told the press he practiced at RT and LT. So I guess the coaches are weighing their options with McKinne and see where he and Martin fit best

McKinne has never played right tackle from what I hear... so it wouldn't make sense to experiment with him there now!  As far as Clabo goes... it's apparent across the League that he's not athletic and doesn't fit what scheme the Dolphins are trying to get him to do. 

Can't dwell on it now but Phins missed the bus not pulling the trigger for Albert!  

Clabo:

He is a talented player.  You don't just lose it in a year.  Which has to make me wonder...is it scheme?  Is it coaching?  Is he hurt and they aren't coming clean with it?

Something isn't right here with Clabo.  I'm putting this one on the coaching staff.  You don't get a guy who has had success like Clabo and watch him turn into what he has, almost overnight, without something going wrong.  He didn't lose his talent.

There is a fine line between a "veteran" and just being "old"....I think Clabo crossed that line this year.

It ain't coaching, it ain't scheme when guys just beat you like a drum play after play. He is slow. Not much else too do.

^^^^^

The Clabo situation is eerily similar, if not identical, to Marc Columbo in 2011

The dude is 32 and in his 8th season.  He isn't super long in the tooth...

That isn't  young by NFL standards

This is the point I was trying to make... it's known that Clabo is not good in space.  He's not athletic enough to be left alone on a DE.  You need to adjust your scheme to give him help with a back or TE chipping.  Apparently everyone except Miami knows this!

Not young, but he isn't...old.  Like old, old...

McKinnie is 34.  So, we're replacing an "old guy" with and older guy?

I'm not convinced McKinnie is the answer.  Especially if we're magically going to try to make him play RT.  I don't know how to handle this.  I'm hoping we didn't give up the farm for an aging veteran just to show that we're trying to improve.

That said, McKinnie was very solid toward the end of last season.  If he can be THAT good, maybe its a good move.

I think that if the zone blocking scheme is what is causing problem, maybe that's where the changes need to be made.  I, too, fail to understand how a guy rated as 5th best RT in the league last season by PFF turns into utter garbage just by changing the color of his helmet.

It's an 8 week band-aid fix. All you can do come Week 8 when you have a glaring problem.

McKinnie starting at LT

Martin starting at RT

Tyson Clabo starting his shift at Applebee's in 3 hours.

That's just damned good comedy there...

Bravo sir.