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Enough of this guy. After having all of this money to spend this past off season we haven't improved at all from last year. We've improved in specific areas but not as an overall team. He can improve certain parts of our team but it's always to the detriment of another part of our team (o-line this year).

We will always be a team that will win 6-8 games with Ireland as the GM.

Too bad we gave him an extension after a 3-0 start. It's always a great idea to give someone an extension after a winning streak, just brilliant.

In his defense, as someone else pointed out, Clabo was rated as a pretty good RT last year, so it was a solid pickup at the time.

If you don't give coaches or QB's contract extensions during a 3 game win streak, why would you give THIS GM one?

He blew a wad of cash and the results are still the same.  He needs to go.

He got the Extension in July. It was announced publicly in September

Jeff Ireland isn't the one dropping balls on the field.

Let's focus on getting capable players, and adding to what base we have, instead of resetting to zero and starting all over.

^^^^ I don't think getting rid of the GM is "resetting to zero". The truth is our draft class did pretty much nothing yesterday. Most of them were not even dressed for the game and the #3 draft pick that we traded up for has yet to become a starter or even play significant time in any game. My understanding was he was drafted for games just like yesterday. Where was he?

I'm a big proponent of allowing people to make mistakes and learn form them but he hasn't found a Zach Thomas or Jason Taylor in his whole time here. Jake Long was his biggest hit and we see where that went.  NFL teams do not survive with mediocre talent.

Isn't it the job of the GM to focus on getting capable players? Ireland has been the GM going on four years now and the dolphins haven't had a winning season yet. You got to look at the GM and if he's bringing in enough talent at this point.

Yep. And when you're given an extension with those results, it lets you know how deep the situation is.

He has addressed positions of need, and other areas of need have become apparent.  Last season, our o-line was solid.  So, you're saying it was all thanks to Jake Long?  

Granted, Clabo has been a glaring miss, but I can understand based on the data he had to decide.  

The defense has been solidified, he brought in Gibson and Wallace to address the WR need.  He brought in Ellerbe, Wheeler, and Grimes, to address the defense needs.  He claimed Patterson off waivers and he has been solid.  He brought in Dustin Keller to address the TE need.  He got hurt, it happens.

He has been addressing needs.  Some things work out, some don't.  Don't over-generalize the situation with the broad-sweeping "something's wrong, let's fire the guy in charge."  Look a little deeper.  

My opinion, the ONLY mistake he made this season was letting Reggie Bush walk.  We sure could use that guy right now.

If you're going to point a finger at Ireland, I wouldn't look to Bush, I'd look to letting Long get away.  I can't blame him for Clabo -- he was supposed to be good and just didn't come through.

Jake Long has said publicly that he didn't even consider coming back to Miami unless he got an absurd salary.  He wanted to be the highest-paid tackle in NFL history.  He took less money than the Dolphins offered him to go to the Rams.  Ireland wasn't willing to overpay.  Kudos to him for not biting.

Bush, however, wanted to come back to Miami, and we didn't want him.  That is a head-scratcher to me.

Long was offered a contract to be the highest paid offensive linemen in NFL history last September prior to the start of the season. He said NO! Wanted to play out the year. He had a bad year and was always injured, come March that same deal was pulled from the table (WITH GOOD REASON)....Long was pissed and wasn't going to sign here. He used Miami to get as much as he could out of the Rams.

^ This may all be true, but we probably had options to not let him go test free-agency in the first place.  He probably felt disrespected.  It's not just that he didn't get the contract, but it's that our relationship with the player soured in the first place.

I'm not making the argument that we SHOULD have done this, but ultimately, we let our franchise LT get away and now our line is suffering.

The line isn't suffering because of Jake Long leaving.  The plan was in place to replace him.  We had already drafted Jake's replacement.  When he got hurt for the 11 billionth time, his replacement stepped in and did fairly well in his place. 

Why didn't Tannehill get sacked 97 times in the last 5 games last season?  What's different?  Is Clabo that much worse than Nate Garner?  They are all the same guys...

Jake Long's replacement didn't arrive until last week. Martin is not an NFL LT. They were hoping Martin would improve. Didn't happen. They were trying to get Albert to play LT, not right. At the same time if you don't run effectively, teams will tee off on whatever pass protection you have. This team just sucks at pass protection.

Fine, you're welcome to your opinion, but I disagree with you.  Martin is just fine at LT.  He's not the problem with this o-line.

I disagree.  Martin is a great Right Tackle, but not a great Left Tackle.  The only reason he appears okay at Left Tackle is because Clabo was so horrible at right tackle that teams focused on that weakness.

100% agree.  Long took the risk of not signing the contract in Sept 2012, and then got his panties in a twist when things went the other way.  I wanted Long back as much as anybody, but not at the salary he was demanding.

However, Philbin/Ireland did miscalculate what the abilities of the O-line they had were, but they did put some effort into finding a replacement for Long.  Keller's injury at TE was another unforeseen problem (although I liked Fasano and thought they should keep him).  Running back is the position that has been a TOTAL FAILURE in handling.  Drafted Miller and Thomas, neither have panned out... whether due to injuries, coaching, or just poor expectations; while letting Bush walk away with zero effort to re-sign.

For me,  it's not about individual transactions and players. It's the overall talent on the feild. This team does not have more talent now than it did when Ireland took over in my opinion. Ireland has had four years to get that done and hasn't done it. It's nothing personal against the guy, but at some point you just got to move on.

^^ Right!  I think they thought more of Miller than he is ready for.  He may be a decent back but needs to be in a mix with another guy like Spiller/Jackson or Mathews/Woodhead/Brown or the NE carousel.  Miller isn't ready to be a feature back.

I thought Bush proved he could handle the load, and took pressure off the o-line as a respected weapon out of the backfield.  I think this was a big mis-step, and its showing now.  The absence of a running game is absolutely a contributor to the o-line problems.  No way to control the clock, nothing to keep them from full-on blitzing every down.

I think this is a bigger contributor than many people realize.

^^^^ Now take how you feel about Bush & combine that with a better LT. Teams would have to respect that threat. This means Tannehill has more time to go through progressions. Wallace is open more. Tannehill has time to find him. Defenses can't just spread out our O-line. This is what Ireland & Co. couldn't see. They only saw $$$$. As in how not to spend it.

Agree... It's like having an average looking woman standing next to a total woofer. The average looking woman suddenly appears to be much hotter than she actually is.

Martin is not a quality left tackle...

def. a stupid idea to give the guy extension after just 3 games!! whats the point? if the owner, S.Ross was that happy with his GM, at least wait till the end of the season so u dont just waste ur money away. For some reason Ireland cant get it done as a GM down in Miami. Just like someone mentioned earlier, every year its same b.s. They improve one area of the football team but screw up the other (o-line). Miami hasnt improved its team as a whole, overall, from one year to the next in forever it seems. And it seems like every year they draft a O-line guys and still struggle. should have kept Jake Long thats for sure.

The Dolphins gave general manager Randy Mueller an extension just months before he was terminated in favor of Ireland.

Seriously what did you guys expect from Miller? Some people are never happy. I said last season before they even let Bush walk that Miller would be a liability because he can't pass block and had been in the doghouse for that very reason. All I heard back was that Bush is older and injury prone and would cost too much, and Miller was a speed demon home run threat 4th round steal. You don't make Miller your starting RB based on a handful of carries and "potential" when you have a back as versatile as Bush. But when they let Bush walk, I didn't hear anyone indignantly protesting or complaining about the move. Now he's going off every week in Detroit and Miami can't run or block and suddenly hindsight is 20/20. You can't blame Ireland for making a move that Dolphin fans were on board with. The same can be said with Long. -EK

This just proves that people read what they want to read, and don't understand.

For the 30th time, Ireland got an extension in the offseason, AFTER LAST SEASON.


Selective memory.  You're wrong, I was very vocal on these very forums about re-signing bush (and Jake, for that matter).  I don't have time (or desire) to go back and find it.

You are banging your head against with wall with some of the people here Brian! Save yourself the aggravation.

I like ireland .. i like what he's done with the roster compared to what we had during the parcells era.

I can see what he's trying to accomplish .. i agree with his methods and selections.

He's not a clairvoyant .. and he can't predict the future but i don't have a problem with his moves at all.

Dez Bryan's prostitute mom also isn't an issue for me at all.

^^ This guy gets it...

You're one person out of the entire board. Most of them were exactly as I stated. That's not selective memory, it's you being a single exception. -EK

Make it two, I've posted several times about the mistake in not retaining Bush, even before he was gone.  Additionally, I don't think there were many on this board that had the opinions about Miller that you are portraying them to have.  Certainly one or two had grand opinions about Miller, but most just avoided the topic.

As for Ireland/Philbin I don't agree with some of their moves, but I think overall the team has been moving in the right direction the last two years.  There is still time to turn this season around, there is a lot of parity and a lot of upsets ahead for teams.  Realisticly, if Miami got the breaks that the Jets have gotten this year they would be 5-2 right now.

Ireland seems arrogant and entitled to me.  He seems to have the demeanor of someone who has proven something in this league, but he has yet to field a team with a winning record.

The way he worked to stab Sparano in the back was shameful.

Perhaps.  However, Sparano dug his own grave with his poor coaching.

I agree with the Ireland being arrogant part. He grew up in a football family and feels having a job in the NFL is his calling. A sense of entitlement yes.

The Sparano back-stab thing I give Jeff a pass on. Ross was doing the backstabbing and Ireland was caught in a tough spot in the middle.

If Ireland had integrity, he would have told Ross to fire Sparano or keep him, instead of enabling Ross with "secret lover" nonsense.

Ross was a new owner and didn't know any better.  Ireland should have told his boss, "This is not the way things are done; it will ruin your standing with the good coaches in this league."

Adam Caplan just tweeted the following:

"One high-ranking #NFL exec said that the #Dolphins GM job would be enticing to anyone. Roster is good, just underachieving. Coaching? Issue."

Plus $20 mill in salary cap space doesn't hurt either.

I agree.  If what you said in the other thread about this team only winning 6-7 games, then Ireland has to go.  Period.  You don't blow a huge wad of cash and get no improvement from the team without it costing you your job.

Its my opinion we will only win 6 or 7 games total and that will probably get Ireland canned...I mean with this o-line that might be a miracle. But that is just my prediction/opinion as of this point in time and what we have to work with on the o-line.

This is why this team is an abusive husband and the fans are the battered housewives. With REAL coaching and a REAL GM, I still believe we can win 12 games next year. We do have a pretty good roster and the Pats get worse every year. If you want to get spoiled and assume Mike Wallace learns to catch passes again and we are a really good team with a brand new O-Line.

Of course, I stopped believing in that happening. It's always next year.