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From the FOX interview with Jay Glazer. Jonathan Martin sent a text to Incognito..."I am going to murder your whole F'n family." It was that kind of back and forth banter the two had with each other.

Jay Glazer reporting 1,142 texts going back and forth within the last year alone between Richie and Martin. With racist talk going both ways. Martin to Richie. Richie to Martin.

Jay Glazer confirmed that he actually saw the text too.

If this is true, and I believe it is, Martin should be sued by Incognito and the Dolphins organization and Richie should be back in uniform ASAP. This whole thing is ridiculous.

Glazer has copies of all 1,142 texts and said the racist talk went both ways. Martin is as big a racist as Richie is!

The lawsuit should be gone after seeing this, as are all the claims of bullying. If the NFL intends to suspend or fine Incognito, Martin should receive the exact same punishment. Anything other than that WOULD be racism.

This only exonerates Incignito for his alleged behavior towards Martin.  It doesn't clear other teammates who may have bullied Martin and it sure doesn't get rid of the fact that the coaches made Incognito a leader on this team

Gonna be tough for Martin to cry he was bullied when he too sent racist texts to a teammate, he pulled pranks on teammates, and he was part of the culture he ended up hating. Martin and the bullying defense just went out the window.

What is everyone's fixation on the race issue? Telling some one you will slap their mother and kill their family will not be excused by a billion texts send back and forth. -EK

Then why did Martin's lawyer bring up the voice-mail/texts his client was getting from Richie? Whey did he make that public?  I will tell ya why, he wanted to paint his client, Martin, as the victim and he wanted to use that as evidence of abuse he was receiving in the locker-room. The fact Martin was texting the same racist and mean spirited stuff back to Richie for over a year means Martin isn't a victim of bullying by Richie.   So, now the question becomes what is Martin upset over?

Martin is also claiming he was beaten up by fellow Dolphins players. Name names, give a date and time, prove it. Martin was quick to throw Richie under the bus but is protecting a player or players who physically beat him up? That makes no sense at all!!! Martin and his lawyer can make all the claims they wants but he has to prove it and back it up. His "racist voice-mail" he put out there has already blown up in his face

Face it EK, it's crystal clear now what happened. Martin couldn't hack it in the NFL and he quit on his team. He then talked to some people who convinced him to make Incognito the reason, but it was a smoke screen for the real reasons. Martin and Incognito were friends and felt comfortable enough with each to text a lot of stuff that's very inappropriate unless you are friends. The unfortunate thing about all of this is that it was COMPLETELY avoidable if Martin would have just went to the team with the issues he was having and they could have helped him. This is a tragedy indeed, but the tragedy is that none of this had anything to do bullying or racism, it all has to do with the locker room culture that exists in the NFL and the failure of Martin to be able to deal with it or ask for help to deal with it. Incognito was NOTHING but a scapegoat.

^^^^^^ Exactly. Which goes right in line with your earlier comments and everyone else's belief in the Team Concept. A concept that Martin & Co. are finding out the hard way. Can't wait to hear Martin's explanation.

He did go to the team.  The team told him to punch Incognito.

Martin's lawyer now tweeting that Martin's text to Richie saying he was going to murder his family was a "joke".

Call me crazy couldn't Richie say his text to Martin was a joke?!

Please bring back Incognito and get rid of Martin!

Martin is not coming back. Not to Miami or any other NFL team, he is done as a player. He is now a punchline.

There have been several players saying they'd welcome him to their team. Let's not be quite so extreme. -EK

^^^^^ Players, don't sign players.

Yes, because who went a bad Offensive Linemen on their team who is also a liar, a pussy and a hypocrite that runs to their lawyer? Washington would trade a 1st rounder for him!

Okay, bad example. They actually would.

I have no idea why. He was a marginal starting tackle before any of this happened. Now he's a marginal starting tackle that doesn't have the desire to play in the NFL, lacks the ability to ask for help from within the organization and instead takes it to the media. I think all those people saying they would want him on their team have not played with him since his college days when his athletic ability was enough to get by.

Fixed that for you. Even the above is a bit of a stretch as it seems the conversation was actually between Ireland and his agent, not between Ireland and Martin. I doubt that Martin ever talked to Ireland about it.

I guess we'll see. I doubt that either guy is done. I could see Martin being picked up by Indy, SF, or NE. -EK

1) Incognito is probably done cause his play has fallen off a cliff. Nobody will tolerate the nonsense if you can't play anymore.

2) Aside from SF or Indy I don't think any team would take Martin. He might have to sit out a year at this point as well and let this die down some. He is coming off as a rat and weak.  Hell he might not even want to play or if he has emotional issues he might not be cleared to play and then no team would touch him.

And coaches can't comment. If a coached is asked by the media and responds with anything other than, "I can't comment about a player under contract with another team" than it is tampering. 

And at the same time. The players that said they would take Martin, said that before the Incognito interview.

I saw the interview. Incognito was well coached for it.   

Is a team going to give the Dolphins a 1st or 2nd round pick in trade for Martin?  Hell no. 

And even if everything is the way Incognito claims:

Would a team in need for help on the OL, pick him up off waivers or sign him as a FA to a 2 year deal with little guaranteed money?   Why not?  Guys have done worse and gotten 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th chances.  How many second chances did Incognito get?  He will get a 2nd chance. 

Actually Martin sent Incognito this picture. 

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http://9gag.com/gag/6188915

Was that a threat, Patriot Fan?

I would say no. But the question isn't did Martin threaten Incognito.   

That's just the 1 text Incogntio referenced in his interview today. Glazer did say there are countless texts of Martin and Incognito using vulgar and racial slurs towards each other which he obviously couldn't read on air.  Look the vulgar language and racism went both ways that's the bigger point. Not just this one text.

Dave Hyde @davehydesports
The tweet of @wmdavidcornwell provided context of Martin's msg to Incognito. Why won't he release context of Incognito voicemail to Martin?

Adam Beasley @AdamHBeasley
Re: the texts from Martin to Inconito, a source tells me there were more along the lines of today's, plus lots of sexually explicit ones.

What the South Florida media is saying tonight

Right. At the same time, I don't know you. And I questioned you on it. I say, no harm no foul. So what stopped Martin from originally questioning Incognito? That's why, if I was a GM I would definitely pass on Martin.

Even if the facts are closer to what Incognito claims than Martin's agent. Than what Martin did is worse but not all that different than what Randy Moss did in Oakland or Brandon Marshall did during the preseason of 2008. 

So I wouldn't use a draft pick or commit guaranteed money.  But if I can get a decent player that just needs a therapist to help him cope with some issues, I would bring him into camp, get him the help he needs and give him a second chance. 

Problem is Martin just turned into a Tim Tebow type. Wherever he goes it will be a circus like atmosphere with the media. A huge distraction for any team that signs him

1) Ireland is "the team," at least as much as Philbin.
2) A player's agent bringing an issue to the general manager is, if anything, MORE significant than Martin having a casual conversation with his position coach.  Player -> agent -> general manager is formal, documented escalation.  The next step would be to go to the NFLPA.

Fair enough even if I disagree on both counts to a degree. Still my understanding is that this didn't happen until AFTER he walked out on the team. I still say this is what should have happend:
1 ) Martin himself talks with Richie Incognito and/or Leadership council.
2 ) Martin himself talks with position coach.
3 ) Martin himself talks with Offensive Coordinator
4 ) Martin himself talks with Head Coach.
5 ) Martin talks with his Agent who talks with Jeff Ireland
6 ) Agent talks with NFLPA
7 ) Agent talks with NFL
8 ) Agent/Player sue Dolphins/NFL/NFLPA for doing nothing.

I can see Martin walking out on the Dolphins only after getting rebuffed at every step up to and including #5. If it comes out in the NFL investigation that Martin did this or at least attempted to do this PRIOR to walking out on the Dolphins, then he's blameless. If not, then he's at least partially to blame for this mess. If he did ANY of the above and got no where, then the Dolphins are partially to blame as well.

Makes me wonder how much the position coaches did know though, since one of the Oline coaches just quit in the midst of all this. Just thinking out loud, but the timing is suspect. -EK

Bingo....no reason he should continue to be suspended for this so called bullying if it turns out to be a long going back and forth game between two so called friends.

Let's get some facts straight....

1) The assistant o-line coach (Chris Mosley) left the team on family leave in early October LONG BEFORE any of this Martin-Incognitio stuff broke
2) The assistant o-line coach has a serious family emergency which caused him to then officially leave the team and his job, nothing at all to do with this situation whatsoever

Good lord you're dense. Love your use of the phrase "get some facts straight." You have no better knowledge of why he officially left than I do. It's all speculation; not one fact. He may have decided his family situation needed a full-time commitment...

OR

He may have decided he wanted no part of the shit storm Miami May weather when the NFL gets to the bottom of all this, and had an easy out with his current family situation. You have no clue. Facts straight." That's comical. -EK

Yes I do it was reported why he left!  ::) Listen to South Florida sports talk radio

FOX releasing more from the Glazer/Incognito interview.  Richie stating... (From FOX)

Incognito says the story Martin paid $15k for a Vegas trip he didnt take is untrue. Said Martin paid $10k for a future trip w/ entire O-Line

That still presents the question as to why Martin has already paid $10k for a trip he purportedly doesn't want to go on.  (Disputing the amount at this point is like Brandon Marshall's wife clarifying that she only stabbed him two times, not three.)

Wasn't the story earlier that Martin cancelled at the last minute?  When is this "future" trip?

Lydon Murtha (or another player) I believe said he was told that Martin paid for the trip then canceled last minute after the money was already spent. So Martin couldn't get his money back.

So the "money was already spent" (by September) for a trip that is happening, at the very earliest, in February 2014?  Hmmm.

I don't know if I would classify six months in advance as a "last minute cancellation."

yeah I don't know all the details on that. I do know a private jet is involved so maybe the money can't be gotten back for that. But not sure of the timeline really.

Circus if he is signed by the Jets.  Just another day at the office if signed by NE. 

Until Brady goes down due to a Martin missed assignment.

Is that the issue here? 

Not so sure about that. The only thing that saved the "Tebow in NE" circus was the Aaaron Hernandez circus that drew attention away from Tebow

Neither became a circus. If Bullygate was to die today, it would still have had a greater news cycle than Hernandez. 

Disagree with that 100%

Blind homerism at its finest.

Really.  I live in the Patriots news area.  And combined i have seen less news about Hernandez from the local and national press than I have seen about Bullygate from just the national press. 

Bullygate has been the punchline on the Daily Show, late night comedians, etc.  been the topic on plenty of National non-sports programs, you really didn't have that with Hernandez. 

 And much of the publicity was positive -- e.g how quickly NE dumped him and the jersey exchange.  Not to mention still winning games despite not having either Gronk or AH.  NE emerged from this story practically untarnished. 

Yes really I still see shit on Hernandez quite a bit actually and if you don't think he wasn't the punch line on every late night talk show and so on so forth especially in the first 2 months from when then story broke it is absolutely blind homerism.

Bullygate is fresh and new so it is in the headlines and all the rage right now.....but the Hernandez case was much larger.....He killed people!!!!!!

Maybe it was positive in your dark little corner of the world but the rest of the world certainly didn't think so!!!!!!  ::)

Try again, Patriot fan.

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^Can you link were you got it? 

http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=aaron+hernandez#q=aaron%20hernandez%2C%20jonathan%20martin&cmpt=q

Thanks I re-ran it. 

And as I suspected..... 

Richie Incognito's spike was about double Martin's, which reflects what I have seen, more stories with the headline of the bully than the bullied.  I ran it with four search terms... your two plus "Richie Incognito" and "odin lloyd."  The total of RI + JM > AH + OL.     

You cannot add Jonathan Martin to Richie Incognito, as any search for both of them would be counted twice.  If you want to take Incognito instead of Martin, fine.  It's still far less than Hernandez.

I am interested in hearing about the news helicopters (http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/aaron-hernandez-watch-gets-bit-absurd-news-helicopters-165051452.html) that have been following Richie Incognito, though.

That is not true.  In fact if you combine them into one it drops because very few stories have both of them in the title.  Unlike with AH & OL. In which OL got a fraction of the attention of AH, here you have two significant players.    With Hernandez almost every single new story had his name in the title of the news story. With this one you had ones with Martin's name, ones with Incognito's name and some with neither name, such as "bullying problem in Miami."   

It tracks searches, not article titles.  A search for both of them would be counted twice.

Nobody is searching for Odin Lloyd because Odin Lloyd was a relative nobody.